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October 19th, 2019 at 9:09:10 AM permalink
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yeah, the good ole days

when you didn't get 15 scam emails and 4 scam phone calls every single day

somebody might try to rip you off but it was pretty rare

You're doing something wrong if you only get 15 scam email a day.

I'm only getting about 1 scam cell call every few weeks. It's usually the one where they're telling me somebody has accessed my social security number.
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October 19th, 2019 at 9:58:28 AM permalink
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There was a chain upstate, around Glen Falls, that had three or four attendants dressed like ice cream men who would descend on your car. One guy cleaning windshields, another checking oil, another pumping gas. They had some sort of promo where if they didn't get it all done in a certain time, it was all free or something.
We'd only get there once every couple of years but it was fascinating.
Texaco had a similar setup at the 1965 NY Worlds Fair.


Sounds like you're describing Mobil - I vaguely remember at one point that Mobil had some sort of "home game" where you had 10 seconds to move plastic gas attendants from inside the station to your car.
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October 19th, 2019 at 11:01:43 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Sounds like you're describing Mobil - I vaguely remember at one point that Mobil had some sort of "home game" where you had 10 seconds to move plastic gas attendants from inside the station to your car.



Some intersections literally had a
gas station on all 4 corners. They
were in competition with each
other for the best service. At 19
cents a gallon.
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October 19th, 2019 at 11:13:59 AM permalink
Clearly oversupply. Traffic jams from left turners who want their choice despite traffic flow, no way to compete meaningfully, just on gimmicks.
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November 1st, 2019 at 7:01:46 AM permalink
the Milkman delivered glass bottles and later cartons of milk to just about every house twice a week

because he made so many stops he had a specially designed seat that would fold back so he could drive standing up

lots of rumors/jokes about the milkman getting 3 or 4 quickies every day on his route from bored housewives whose husbands were at work.....😃😃😃


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November 1st, 2019 at 3:19:22 PM permalink
Forget the milk. What about chips and pretzels? Long before there was GrubHub you could satisfy your urge for munchies with the Charles Chip guy
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November 1st, 2019 at 4:04:49 PM permalink
the Marlboro man - a real cigarette for a real man - he died of lung cancer





and of course Kools - the so very soulful cigarette


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November 1st, 2019 at 4:11:30 PM permalink
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November 1st, 2019 at 6:19:37 PM permalink
Route. Salesman was the term for the bread, chips guy..
I remember one guy was two years away from a pension and young chippie got her hooks into him. Let him after six moths.
Lawyers stopped that Marlboro Man's slow death being linked with the cigarettes.
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November 2nd, 2019 at 10:35:02 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

the Marlboro man - a real cigarette for a real man - he died of lung cancer
]



I don’t know if they’re still around but I worked at a Army Navy store for my 3 month summer vacation in high school, and we made about 50% of our total sales on the multitudes of cigarette brands. Addicts = easy sales.
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November 2nd, 2019 at 10:38:29 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I don’t know if they’re still around but I worked at a Army Navy store for my 3 month summer vacation in high school, and we made about 50% of our total sales on the multitudes of cigarette brands. Addicts = easy sales.




I smoked for 17 years starting at age 18 - thought it was cool

got chest pains and the price kept going up

quit cold turkey - the first 2 weeks were rough - after that I didn't want them anymore
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December 28th, 2019 at 3:13:09 PM permalink
I hear people say they miss the 60's
or 70's or 90's or whatever. Not me,
I don't miss any of it. I'm sure in
1950 people missed the 20's. It's
because they have selective memories.

I remember all the crappy stuff too.
Nothing open on Sunday. B&W TV
with 3 stations to watch. 90% of
the news came from the newspaper
or weekly magazines. That was the
60's

Every decade had it's drawbacks that
I don't want to live thru again. I
marvel every day at how much better
my life is now than ever before. It's
because things are so convenient now,
inconvenience was the hallmark of
the past. Go back decade by decade,
it gets ridiculous.

What was life life without permanent
press clothes and dishwashers? A
pain. How about no fridges or vacuum
cleaners? How about the biggie, no
electric, and primitive hospitals.

I will take the present any day, screw
the past.
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December 28th, 2019 at 9:43:36 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's because they have selective memories.

I think we are all somewhat "selective" about the past, present and future.

Look at all the 'holdouts' on technology, the diverse practices across the economic spectrum.

Any group or 'generation' can be much like a casino's customers: an ever-changing mix of standards and practices.
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December 28th, 2019 at 9:54:00 PM permalink
Beats the Dark Ages.
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December 28th, 2019 at 11:03:59 PM permalink
Is there anything ever sold in a "collectable" ad that ever actually becomes collectable? Like stuff like Franklin Mint collectables? I'm not talking about stuff already considered collectable, but buying something advertised new as "these will only go up in value". other than actual silver or gold, not sure what has ever been sold like that that became collectable.
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December 28th, 2019 at 11:05:30 PM permalink
And Franklin Mint collectables are apparently mostly not worth anything as collectable either so I hear.
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December 29th, 2019 at 2:23:41 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Is there anything ever sold in a "collectable" ad that ever actually becomes collectable?



I knew a guy who filled is basement with over 300 collectible cookie jars in the late eighties and early nineties as an investment. Then he died. His wife was stuck with them and couldn't sell them for $0.10 on the dollar.
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December 29th, 2019 at 4:41:56 AM permalink
what I miss about "back in the day" is the much greater amount of in person face to face conversation with people - it's not valued much anymore
now, for many, sending a text is enough - sending a text with a pic - that's really communication - not for me

let's face reality - right now - USA - the smartphone is King

I have a smartphone - but for me - it's not a King
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December 29th, 2019 at 4:52:30 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

the Marlboro man - a real cigarette for a real man - he died of lung cancer

Not exactly right. "THE" Marlboro Man, who died in 2014, never smoked, one of those ironies. However, there were other Marlboro Men who were necessary because the original 14 years-of-it guy decided to quit making the commercials. He felt it was a bad example to his kids.

The perfect irony is ruined because latter-day M. Men did smoke and evidently some died from cigarettes.

Another irony, though, is that THE M. Man of 14 years did die of COPD. My wife, btw, says the only people she actually knew personally that got lung cancer were all people who never smoked.

https://www.insider.com/marlboro-man-death-smoking-cigarettes-2019-11
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:00:42 AM permalink
Remember when your car’s owners manual was about 25 pages, and told you what kind of oil to use, how to change a tire, and how to open the hood, etc?

My current owners manual is 409 pages, not counting the additional manual of 74 pages that tells how to operate... the “infotainment” system.

I swear. It’s like being a pilot, a light comes on with an icon you don’t recognize, and you have to consult the manual for what to do next.
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:37:25 AM permalink
this is one of my favorite back in the day Vegas pics - I'm guessing 1950
the amazing thing - to me - is that there are maybe 70 people in the pic - and not a single one is fat
take a pic of 70 people in a room today and probably half of them are going to be fat

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December 29th, 2019 at 5:37:45 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Is there anything ever sold in a "collectable" ad that ever actually becomes collectable? Like stuff like Franklin Mint collectables? I'm not talking about stuff already considered collectable, but buying something advertised new as "these will only go up in value". other than actual silver or gold, not sure what has ever been sold like that that became collectable.


Almost never, but there are some exceptions.

There have been some Funko POP figures out of production that have been going for a good amount -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Headless-Ned-Stark-Funko-Pop/153749918100?hash=item23cc359194:g:IOoAAOSwSeVd6Bc3
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:45:58 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Not exactly right. "THE" Marlboro Man, who died in 2014, never smoked, one of those ironies. However, there were other Marlboro Men who were necessary because the original 14 years-of-it guy decided to quit making the commercials. He felt it was a bad example to his kids.

The perfect irony is ruined because latter-day M. Men did smoke and evidently some died from cigarettes.

Another irony, though, is that THE M. Man of 14 years did die of COPD. My wife, btw, says the only people she actually knew personally that got lung cancer were all people who never smoked.



What amazes people is Marlboro was introduced as a woman's cigarette at first. The brown filter was to hide lipstick. It did not get popular until the cowboy image thing.

When I was a kid all the kids who smoked smoked Marlboros. Herd mentality.
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:54:43 AM permalink
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I will take the present any day, screw
the past.



There is always parts of the past we prefer. I wish casinos were more like the past than today. I wish I could have went to the Sands during the Rat Pack era. I wish casinos were more the size of back then than the Disneyland size if today. I do not care much for all the new features on cars, and I hate the infotainment screens. Give me the 2000s cars for the most part.

I wish people took time to dress better as they did in the past. I wish TV News would get it done in 30-60 minutes like they did in the 80s.

Fast food tasted way better in the 70s.

The Olympics had more drama during the Cold War. Now they are an overpriced disaster for the host city.

Its a mix.
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December 29th, 2019 at 8:45:55 AM permalink
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The Olympics had more drama during the Cold War. Now they are an overpriced disaster for the host city.



I agree on the Olympics. It used to be you could only see some of those sports during the olympics. Today they are on ESPN channels 24 hours a day.
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December 29th, 2019 at 10:07:51 AM permalink
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let's face reality - right now - USA - the smartphone is King
I have a smartphone - but for me - it's not a King



I'm hooked on watching Live PD, the show,
and there are 1200 videos from the show
on Youtube. It's amazing how many people
get out of their cars when the cops tell
them to, who are talking on their phones.
Or clutching their phones so tightly the
cops have to pry them out of their hands.

Non whites especially, seem manically
attached to their stupid smart phones.
They often refuse to put them down
or hang up and talk to the cop. Or how
often they try and call 911 while the
cop is ordering them around. The cop
will say "I am 911'. Pretty funny.
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December 29th, 2019 at 10:13:08 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

There is always parts of the past we prefer. I wish casinos were more like the past than today. I wish I could have went to the Sands during the Rat Pack era. .



I did go to the Sands in 76 to
see Sinatra. Because it was the
present, you don't think its an
'era'. People were all dressed up,
but they always were in the mid
70's in the Strip casinos. Sinatra
was a big disappointment
because the morons around me
was all singing along with him,
in loud voices, and drowning
him out. And there was always
tons and tons of smoke in all
the casinos, but there was smoke
in the doctors office, you were
used to it.
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December 29th, 2019 at 10:31:50 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The Olympics had more drama during the Cold War. Now they are an overpriced disaster for the host city.


"Now"? Other than 1984 - mainly because only two new buildings were needed, and, IIRC, they are still being used (the natatorium is now USC's home pool; the velodrome was constructed so it could be moved, and it was, to the USOC training center in Colorado Springs) - what summer Olympics didn't lose money for the host? How long did it take Montreal to finally pay off 1976?

Quote: DRich

I agree on the Olympics. It used to be you could only see some of those sports during the olympics. Today they are on ESPN channels 24 hours a day.


Not all of them - when was the last time you saw judo, or (team) handball, on ESPN, or anywhere other than the Olympic Channel for that matter?
And even this is relatively new; as recently as 1996, sports like judo and field hockey were lucky to get seconds of coverage on NBC. Even when NBC tried its "triplecast" in 1992, some sports were ignored, and, in fact, when Ahmad Rashad appeared on The Tonight Show to shill it, he used the fact that some sports wouldn't be aired as a selling point.
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December 29th, 2019 at 10:36:31 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I
seem manically attached to their stupid smart phones.
.




I leave near a popular mall - I sometimes take a walk there in the mornings if it's too cold to walk outside
there is an Apple store in the mall - it opens at 9 a.m. - every single morning - even on a Wednesday in February - there is a line to get into the store

it's a smallish store - every Saturday afternoon it's packed - more than 100 people are in there - guaranteed - incredible - it's like they're giving away gold bars
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December 29th, 2019 at 10:52:27 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

this is one of my favorite back in the day Vegas pics - I'm guessing 1950
the amazing thing - to me - is that there are maybe 70 people in the pic - and not a single one is fat
take a pic of 70 people in a room today and probably half of them are going to be fat


Today, more than likely 75% will be fat...and if the picture is taken in the South or some parts of the Midwest, 90% will be fat and the 10% who aren't are probably opioid addicts.
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December 29th, 2019 at 11:28:23 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

this is one of my favorite back in the day Vegas pics - I'm guessing 1950
the amazing thing - to me - is that there are maybe 70 people in the pic - and not a single one is fat



1950. Zero fast food restaurants, almost
no processed food in the supermarket,
almost no TV's so no mindless TV
snacking. I was in the 50's, nobody
snacked at any time during the day.
There weren't whole aisles in the store
of chips and another of all cookies.
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December 29th, 2019 at 11:51:00 AM permalink
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"Now"? Other than 1984 - mainly because only two new buildings were needed, and, IIRC, they are still being used (the natatorium is now USC's home pool; the velodrome was constructed so it could be moved, and it was, to the USOC training center in Colorado Springs) - what summer Olympics didn't lose money for the host? How long did it take Montreal to finally pay off 1976?



I take your point, but it is getting progressively worse. IOC, like a movie studio, keeps taking a bigger and bigger slice. The TV facilities the host must build alone get bigger and bigger. Remember how people were hoping Chicago would lose their bid for whatever year games they pitched for? I remember being one of the few to cheer when NYC was cut from the "quarterfinals" meaning they would not be the USA city to bid. People thought I was nuts, I asked if they knew the cost.

We might eventually get to a rotation for the Winter Games at least. That would be smart given the limited number of potential hosts. For the summer the USA needs to get smart and bow out.
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December 29th, 2019 at 11:53:42 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I did go to the Sands in 76 to
see Sinatra. Because it was the
present, you don't think its an
'era'. People were all dressed up,
but they always were in the mid
70's in the Strip casinos. Sinatra
was a big disappointment
because the morons around me
was all singing along with him,
in loud voices, and drowning
him out. And there was always
tons and tons of smoke in all
the casinos, but there was smoke
in the doctors office, you were
used to it.



I agree that you rarely realize an "era" and when you do it is something that is ending the era. But other than the smoke I would prefer that era to the cattle-car that is today in Vegas.
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December 29th, 2019 at 11:56:52 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

1950. Zero fast food restaurants, almost
no processed food in the supermarket,
almost no TV's so no mindless TV
snacking. I was in the 50's, nobody
snacked at any time during the day.
There weren't whole aisles in the store
of chips and another of all cookies.



I personally think it would be a much better path to tell people to never try some things than to often spend years watching them try to gain self-control over a self-inflicted addiction.
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December 29th, 2019 at 12:05:32 PM permalink
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I personally think it would be a much better path to tell people to never try some things than to often spend years watching them try to gain self-control over a self-inflicted addiction.



We tried that with pot smoking.
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December 29th, 2019 at 12:45:05 PM permalink
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We tried that with pot smoking.



I think more people regret the effects of their eating habits than their pot habit.

Anyway it absolutely works!

You ever have a problem with your meth habit? You ever feel like you have a monkey on your back to get heroin.

Know why? …..

Yeah, see..
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I think more people regret the effects of their eating habits than their pot habit.

Anyway it absolutely works!

You ever have a problem with your meth habit? You ever feel like you have a monkey on your back to get heroin.

Know why? …..

Yeah, see..



Mostly because potheads are too clueless to see the ill effects.
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December 29th, 2019 at 2:34:32 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Mostly because potheads are too clueless to see the ill effects.



One of the effects of pot is you
can't see what it's doing to your
life. You think you're doing fine,
it's only when you quit entirely
that you can see what's wrong.

Willie Nelson could smoke it
all those years because his
career has been on automatic
for decades. He has people
that did everything for him,
all he had to do was be pointed
at the stage and sing once
in awhile. Most people aren't
that lucky.
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Remember when people believed all the ridiculous propaganda about pot?
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December 29th, 2019 at 3:55:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

One of the effects of pot is you
can't see what it's doing to your
life. You think you're doing fine,
it's only when you quit entirely
that you can see what's wrong.

Willie Nelson could smoke it
all those years because his
career has been on automatic
for decades. He has people
that did everything for him,
all he had to do was be pointed
at the stage and sing once
in awhile. Most people aren't
that lucky.



I heard he cut down to the last 2 hours before bed. Problem solved.😃
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:36:58 PM permalink
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Remember when people believed all the ridiculous propaganda about pot?



Don't need propaganda to know that it slows you down. The more you do it the slower you get. Regular users get like the are listening to a radio broadcast on a 3 second delay. Getting high takes over their life and any ambition goes up in smoke. Slowly but surely they degrade into jobs where they can function.
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December 29th, 2019 at 5:43:10 PM permalink
And you base this on...
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December 29th, 2019 at 6:07:03 PM permalink
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And you base this on...


Based on the Wiz smoking since it’s been legal in NV.

Clearly that guy has no ambition and can’t do any complex tasks or critical thinking.
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December 29th, 2019 at 6:15:04 PM permalink
Yeah but, lazy people who use pot are still lazy. Pretty much the only subset of people who still believe that stuff are old people who listen to rush.
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December 29th, 2019 at 9:23:39 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Remember when people believed all the ridiculous propaganda about pot?



You mean like when they were
saying cigarettes weren't safe
to smoke, but pot was? Not quite.

"Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs than tobacco does."
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December 30th, 2019 at 3:45:26 AM permalink
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And you base this on...



Reality.
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December 30th, 2019 at 4:51:04 AM permalink
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Based on the Wiz smoking since it’s been legal in NV.

Clearly that guy has no ambition and can’t do any complex tasks or critical thinking.



See, here is the thing. We are having an intelligent conversation here. Intelligent people are able to and do talk in general terns. One or a few exceptions does not change the general thing.

Should I or should I not leave out the "since it's been legal in NV" which would indicate he has only used it a few years at most. Assuming he was not a regular user before decriminalization, then your statement is void right there.

But lets talk in generalities. Most of us have known of "that guy who smoked 3 packs of Luckies a day for 40 years and was fine!" He died falling off his roof or some other accident, but the smoking never bothered him. Are you going to come on a forum and say cigarettes are not harmful? Maybe just recommend people smoke Lucky Strikes? After all, It's Toasted!

I highly doubt you will do that. Most regular users I have known have lives that fall somewhere between "disaster" to "never going anywhere." The former keep losing jobs to their habit, the later are still sitting around listening to the same music giggling stupid with the same pothead friends as if time stands still even as it goes by,

The USA is on her way to being what China was during the Opium period. Expect similar results.
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December 30th, 2019 at 4:54:28 AM permalink
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Based on the Wiz smoking since it’s been legal in NV.

Clearly that guy has no ambition and can’t do any complex tasks or critical thinking.



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December 30th, 2019 at 7:34:43 AM permalink
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See, here is the thing. We are having an intelligent conversation here. Intelligent people are able to and do talk in general terns. One or a few exceptions does not change the general thing.

Should I or should I not leave out the "since it's been legal in NV" which would indicate he has only used it a few years at most. Assuming he was not a regular user before decriminalization, then your statement is void right there.

But lets talk in generalities. Most of us have known of "that guy who smoked 3 packs of Luckies a day for 40 years and was fine!" He died falling off his roof or some other accident, but the smoking never bothered him. Are you going to come on a forum and say cigarettes are not harmful? Maybe just recommend people smoke Lucky Strikes? After all, It's Toasted!

I highly doubt you will do that. Most regular users I have known have lives that fall somewhere between "disaster" to "never going anywhere." The former keep losing jobs to their habit, the later are still sitting around listening to the same music giggling stupid with the same pothead friends as if time stands still even as it goes by,

The USA is on her way to being what China was during the Opium period. Expect similar results.


Speaking only in generalities based on limited personal anecdotes removes any nuance from the conversation.

You are also building a strawman here - at what point did I claim that it’s impossible for Marijuana to ever be harmful?

Inhaling burning plant matter is not good for your lungs. The big difference between cigarettes and Marijuana is the amount of burning plant that is smoked by the average user. Most cigarette smokers are sucking down 1/2-1 pack a day. Studies with tobacco have shown that moderate use common with cigar or pipe smokers, in the range of 1 cigar daily, does not increase risk of cancer by any significant amount. If someone is smoking 10-20 joints a day then I agree that they have a problem.

But in any case, smoking is not the only way to consume cannabis. Many people use edibles, which makes the entire comparison to tobacco a moot point.

It comes down to causation vs correlation. Anything can be abused. Cheeseburgers and Coca-Cola can be abused. That does not mean that anyone who drinks a soda is spiraling into a pit of diabetes.

I have no doubt you can correlate Marijuana use to unemployed deadbeats. Same goes for alcohol. But claiming moderate MJ/Alcohol use is causative of that behavior is patently false.

I can’t safely comment on the issue of legality without risking political discussion. I don’t even know what to say about your comparison of Cannabis to Opioids other than its absurd and shows how mis-informed you are on this subject.
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