Obamacare Calculator
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June 28th, 2012 at 10:05:21 AM
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This calculator tells you exactly whats going on.
Notice that the more money you make, the more
you have to pay for the SAME healthcare a poorer
person gets. Hmm, isn't that Socialism? Isn't
that redistribution of wealth?
But most important is, if you're at poverty level, it
says in 2014 you qualify for Medicaid. Which
the SC just said the States can't be forced to
fund. OOPS! Poor people are STILL screwed.
LOL!
Notice that the more money you make, the more
you have to pay for the SAME healthcare a poorer
person gets. Hmm, isn't that Socialism? Isn't
that redistribution of wealth?
But most important is, if you're at poverty level, it
says in 2014 you qualify for Medicaid. Which
the SC just said the States can't be forced to
fund. OOPS! Poor people are STILL screwed.
LOL!
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
June 28th, 2012 at 10:32:15 AM
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Wealth redistribution is not Socialism. Wealth redistribution is part of government taxation, and always has been (from the days of the US Tarriffs and the 1861 income tax). Money goes from one source to another. The rich pay more, the poor pay less... and someone benefits (in this case the poor).
Now, if the healthcare provider is a single federal or state run organisation, owned by the state... that's socialism. As in "Socialized healthcare". if one provately held company runs the healthcare for the state, at rates and wages dictated by the state, that's a form of (early) Fascism or "Syncretic" Politics (neither capitalist or communist). I'd be very worried about that....
Now, if the healthcare provider is a single federal or state run organisation, owned by the state... that's socialism. As in "Socialized healthcare". if one provately held company runs the healthcare for the state, at rates and wages dictated by the state, that's a form of (early) Fascism or "Syncretic" Politics (neither capitalist or communist). I'd be very worried about that....
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
June 28th, 2012 at 10:41:03 AM
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Quote: thecesspitWealth redistribution is not Socialism. Wealth redistribution is part of government taxation, and always has been (from the days of the US Tarriffs and the 1861 income tax).
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No, wealth redistribution is socialism. "Government Taxation" can be many legit things. We need to raise a standing army. We need to man the ports and borders. We need to have a secret service to defend the currency. None of this is socailist.
However, to say we will levey an income tax and use the proceeds to have a welfare system, that IS wealth redistribution.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
June 28th, 2012 at 10:47:13 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanNo, wealth redistribution is socialism.
Disagree (not least as you can have government wealth redistribution from one segment to another regardless of earnings).
Quote:However, to say we will levey an income tax and use the proceeds to have a welfare system, that IS wealth redistribution.
Agree.
I'll state it again. Socialism is a system of government where the state owns more and more of the industry and means of production. (Social ownership).
Heavy wealth redistribution from rich to poor is not in and off it self Socialism. It may be a bad thing, anti-capitalist and economically left-wing. It doesn't mean it's Socialism.
And don't get me wrong, my opinion is that the massive wealth redistribution via government that is happening in the US is NOT a good thing. I also believe there is heavy redistribution going from the middle to the top as well.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
June 28th, 2012 at 11:22:19 AM
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:wonders what the citizens of this once great nation will be forced to buy next:
If healthcare was such a concern, why not eliminate all fried foods, cigarettes, car exhaust, soft drinks, alcohol, BBQ's, sugar, fake sugars, white flour...etc. etc. etc.
Alcohol is good, cigarettes are good - cocaine is bad, marijuana is bad...it is all arbitrary
Rather than force people to buy healthcare they may not want, why not force them to live in plastic bubbles?
If healthcare was such a concern, why not eliminate all fried foods, cigarettes, car exhaust, soft drinks, alcohol, BBQ's, sugar, fake sugars, white flour...etc. etc. etc.
Alcohol is good, cigarettes are good - cocaine is bad, marijuana is bad...it is all arbitrary
Rather than force people to buy healthcare they may not want, why not force them to live in plastic bubbles?
