Worst 3-2 Blackjack game in Vegas

I was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:

6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only

Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?

I've always wondered if restricting to doubling down on 10, 11 only is worse for the casino. No doubling hard 12's, players screw up the soft double downs, ect.

Quote: miplet

I've always wondered if restricting to doubling down on 10, 11 only is worse for the casino. No doubling hard 12's, players screw up the soft double downs, ect.

I've never once seen anyone double are hard 12 or more in a casino. In live home games I've seen it. Fortunately, I was dealing at the time.

While the effect for the basic strategy player adds 0.18% to the house edge, in reality I think it adds much less. Some players do correctly double on 9, but only stone cold basic strategy players seem to know, or practice, the soft doubles.

What I don't understand is why casinos would ever use the D10 rule on a shoe game. It of course pisses off all the knowledgeable players resulting in very few of them ever playing there (its not like they don't have thousands of other tables to go to). But perhaps even worse, the bad players that therefore have to fill the table are unable to double on all their hard 7s and 8s and many not-double-worthy soft hands. How is restricting things to the best doubles only even remotely smart for the casino? From the casino's perspective, at least 6-5 profits from people's ignorance. Of all the restricting rules, the double-on-10 rule is the one that serves nobody.

Basically, open the floodgates on doubles and everyone is happy. Caesar's management seems a little out to lunch.

I see a similar point was brought up before my post. I have seen hard 12s doubled several times, but strangely never once in Las Vegas.

One time a guy did it on every single 12, even against a 10 or ace. And he got a lot of 12s that night. The dealer tried to talk him out of it every time.

Quote: Wizard

I was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:

6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only

Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?

I was at Caesars last week. I didn't see that rule on any 3-2 table, but I saw that rule on 6-5 in the Pleasure Pits. Not that I'm looking for that table, but where is it located? It must be in the "Colosseum" Pit.

And I can't believe you've NEVER seen anybody double a hard 12 at a table. I see it happen quite a bit.

Quote: Wizard

I was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?

Seems like a pretty common game in Reno...
Actually, they ADVERTISE that at Grand Sierra Resort (Signage saying "We allow doubling on 10 AND 11!"
Shit, I remember playing a $1 game at Fitz in Reno (on wednesday only) that had 1Deck/S17/DAS/Double-any...ahh the good ole days...

Quote: Tiltpoul

Not that I'm looking for that table, but where is it located? It must be in the "Colosseum" Pit.

And I can't believe you've NEVER seen anybody double a hard 12 at a table. I see it happen quite a bit.

It was in the Pleasure Pit area. I don't go looking for player errors. Except for card counting purposes, I don't even look at other player's cards. So maybe it happens a lot but I just don't notice.

About Reno, yes, those are the typical rules in single deck! This was a six-deck game. That sign at the Grand Sierra reminds me of how the Casino Royale beckoned people inside with a continuous recording of a woman saying about their blackjack game, "You can even hit a soft 17!" As if other casinos don't allow that.

Quote: Wizard

It was in the Pleasure Pit area.

Those are 6-5 tables on a six-deck game. And they were jam packed, even at 15 table mins.

Quote: Tiltpoul

Those are 6-5 tables on a six-deck game. And they were jam packed, even at 15 table mins.

You don't have to believe me, but the Current Blackjack Newsletter reports the same rules at Caesar's.