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January 2nd, 2020 at 8:31:06 PM permalink

1. There's another thread on this with several bets offered and placed.

2. I doubt any Vegas bookies will take bets on this. It was filmed a month ago, and the results are known by at least a couple hundred people.

3. If someone in Vegas wants to get involved in this for a good cause, James is having a watch party at a charity event the night of Jan 7th across from the Rio (generic name, like The Place or something). Tickets are $100, but he's appearing for free. Local charity benefiting is a program for high school kids at risk.

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January 2nd, 2020 at 11:54:28 PM permalink

Quote: beachbumbabs
1. There's another thread on this with several bets offered and placed.

2. I doubt any Vegas bookies will take bets on this. It was filmed a month ago, and the results are known by at least a couple hundred people.

3. If someone in Vegas wants to get involved in this for a good cause, James is having a watch party at a charity event the night of Jan 7th across from the Rio (generic name, like The Place or something). Tickets are $100, but he's appearing for free. Local charity benefiting is a program for high school kids at risk.

I think that puts the odds on him winning even more. I dont think he makes this effort for people to watch him lose.

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January 3rd, 2020 at 6:59:58 AM permalink

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I think that puts the odds on him winning even more. I dont think he makes this effort for people to watch him lose.

He booked the event before they taped the games. And it won't be resolved that night no matter who won. It's going to go at least 3 evenings in a row.

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January 3rd, 2020 at 11:46:59 AM permalink

I'm hoping the recency of James experience will make him the freshest on the buzzer. It is also very difficult to continuously pick up current events, so I am hoping the others have slacked off since their appearances on the show.

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January 6th, 2020 at 9:15:33 PM permalink

Article on the betting being pulled due to possible leak of the results.

Show starts tomorrow night on ABC, 8 pm.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28429258/did-jeopardy-goat-champ-get-leaked-offshore-books-say-yes

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January 6th, 2020 at 9:30:20 PM permalink

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Article on the betting being pulled due to possible leak of the results.

Show starts tomorrow night on ABC, 8 pm.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28429258/did-jeopardy-goat-champ-get-leaked-offshore-books-say-yes

I don't know how there can be betting on it when the entire studio audience already knows who won. Producers know, cameramen know, studio people, judges, lighting people, etc, etc.

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January 6th, 2020 at 9:37:12 PM permalink

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I don't know how there can be betting on it when the entire studio audience already knows who won. Producers know, cameramen know, studio people, judges, lighting people, etc, etc.

The article gets into that some, which books were taking bets, why some cut off. Others are still going.

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January 6th, 2020 at 10:18:21 PM permalink

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The article gets into that some, which books were taking bets, why some cut off. Others are still going.

The bets on Contestant X could be winners or losers, sharp (pro) or square (public); we don't know either way. All we know for sure is that in mid-December, savvy bettors, armed with what they believed was the inside scoop, unleashed enough bets on Contestant X that multiple sportsbooks decided to take the odds off the board.

Meanwhile there was probably only a few thousand dollars in action put down on that bet.

Looks like some idiot kept hammering it from his account.

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January 6th, 2020 at 11:39:52 PM permalink

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...Looks like some idiot kept hammering it from his account.

Hehe... Uh oh... The article is pretty clear that the action shifted away from Holtzhaur...

It�s a bummer because my local affiliate only scheduled the tournament for three nights out of a possible 7 max, so it looks like a sweep.

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January 7th, 2020 at 2:02:34 AM permalink

Any chance someone could message me a link to watch when it becomes available? Prefer to avoid this and other threads and go in not knowing the episodes result. Thanks.

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January 7th, 2020 at 8:00:44 AM permalink

On Monday I used this link to watch the normal program (2020-01-06). I was slightly confused as towards the end he said see everyone tomorrow. So perhaps there's the normal 1/2 hour show as well as the hour-long special.
https://www.dailymotion.com/President_Eisenhower
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7q5rb2
I also would prefer not to know the result of this evening's game, so would be grateful for a link and any results put in spoilers. Cheers

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January 7th, 2020 at 8:23:03 AM permalink

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On Monday I used this link to watch the normal program (2020-01-06). I was slightly confused as towards the end he said see everyone tomorrow. So perhaps there's the normal 1/2 hour show as well as the hour-long special.
https://www.dailymotion.com/President_Eisenhower
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7q5rb2
I also would prefer not to know the result of this evening's game, so would be grateful for a link and any results put in spoilers. Cheers

This is a special show, separate from the daily 1/2 hour.

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January 7th, 2020 at 9:46:18 AM permalink

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Hehe... Uh oh... The article is pretty clear that the action shifted away from Holtzhaur...

It�s a bummer because my local affiliate only scheduled the tournament for three nights out of a possible 7 max, so it looks like a sweep.

Hee hee indeed. I was enjoying the part where it said (paraphrase) away from Y and heavy onto X myself... Rutter is looking better all the time.

Still could be wrong about that. Odds on him initially were ridiculous, given his record. He's beaten the best of the best in about 5 Uber tournaments already, not just his year's ToC. And he's made a living off trivia for 20 years since. So the sharps may have been seeing his odds as the best bet before, given him a lot of action, then had a sure thing after. Should be really interesting no matter which way it goes.

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January 7th, 2020 at 9:54:03 AM permalink

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On Monday I used this link to watch the normal program (2020-01-06). I was slightly confused as towards the end he said see everyone tomorrow. So perhaps there's the normal 1/2 hour show as well as the hour-long special.
https://www.dailymotion.com/President_Eisenhower
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7q5rb2
I also would prefer not to know the result of this evening's game, so would be grateful for a link and any results put in spoilers. Cheers

This was answered above, but the regular program is still airing via syndication tonight, and the GOAT tournament is a completely separate event. It's network, and should be available within a day or so on ABC.com, if you can access that overseas, and also on Hulu (with a few days delay).

For those overseas, syndication means a program is packaged for scheduling and showing on a local television system, not a nationwide (network) broadcast. So it might be on one of several network channels and is usually shown in non-prime time hours here - everyone has to figure out which local station bought that package for their viewing area.

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January 7th, 2020 at 10:07:16 AM permalink

A few years ago, you could catch Jeopardy on a non-local cable station at 4pm, or watch it on the local channel at 7pm.
A few sharps would watch the earlier show and then impress us with their "knowledge" when the same episode played on my bars tv's.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.

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January 7th, 2020 at 11:27:22 PM permalink

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Any chance someone could message me a link to watch when it becomes available? Prefer to avoid this and other threads and go in not knowing the episodes result. Thanks.

Well I forgot I follow Jeopardy! on instagram so inadvertently saw the result. Will unfollow them temporarily till this is over. Nevertheless, does anyone have a link to watch yet?

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January 8th, 2020 at 6:34:17 AM permalink

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A few years ago, you could catch Jeopardy on a non-local cable station at 4pm, or watch it on the local channel at 7pm.
A few sharps would watch the earlier show and then impress us with their "knowledge" when the same episode played on my bars tv's.

Not unlike some people do on the Forum with access to Google.

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January 8th, 2020 at 9:58:27 AM permalink

A true determination of champion should be played WITHOUT daily doubles. Otherwise, too much depends on luck.

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January 8th, 2020 at 10:05:52 AM permalink

I had to go back and check.

Each day will be 2 shows. The cumulative money total of the 2 shows will determine a winner. He gets 1 point. 2nd and 3rd get nothing.

The first to reach 3 points wins.

So the max this could go is 7 days.

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January 8th, 2020 at 10:34:30 AM permalink

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A true determination of champion should be played WITHOUT daily doubles. Otherwise, too much depends on luck.

I disagree. If you take out the daily doubles, it isn't JEOPARDY!

As for the GOAT tournament, rather than making the total of two games a single match, I would have structured it as the first to win five individual games regardless of dollar amount. In the regular game, not wagering is sometimes a wise tactic, but in this format, in the first game, you must always bet it all if you are behind (and sometimes even if you are ahead).

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January 8th, 2020 at 12:15:25 PM permalink

Episode 1, and subsequent episodes, are here. No idea if you can access this from overseas, but it should also be on Hulu soon.

https://www3.abc.go.com/shows/jeopardy-the-greatest-of-all-time

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January 8th, 2020 at 1:02:42 PM permalink

^ Thanks for the link but it shows with a padlock so I guess isn't meant to work directly in the UK.

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January 8th, 2020 at 5:39:08 PM permalink

On tonight's episode at end of 1st game James only bet 11,914 I would have thought he would have bet
his whole 22k any thoughts on this?

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January 8th, 2020 at 6:52:09 PM permalink

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On tonight's episode at end of 1st game James only bet 11,914 I would have thought he would have bet
his whole 22k any thoughts on this?

The way he wrote the �11 9 14� wager you could tell it was clearly an important date to him.

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January 8th, 2020 at 9:37:34 PM permalink

I watched tonight's episode. IMO, James was quite unlikable.

And, IMO, they are using unusually difficult questions for this competition. I felt like a dummy.

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January 8th, 2020 at 9:42:51 PM permalink

Babs, hope you dont have too much on rutter. He is completely out matched. Doubt he wins a game.

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January 8th, 2020 at 10:24:56 PM permalink

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Babs, hope you dont have too much on rutter. He is completely out matched. Doubt he wins a game.

Yeah, it's not going well for him so far. I'm pulling for Ken at the moment. That would make our bet a draw.

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January 8th, 2020 at 10:56:48 PM permalink

Rutter looks outmatched. Great champion but Ken and James are just too tough.

Maybe it�s just me but there�s something with James that has always struck me as a bit strange. I can�t tell if it�s social awkwardness or what....but he just doesn�t give you that comfortable social interaction. Seems forced.

In any event....as strong as Ken has been, I don�t see him winning. I�d like to see Ken win....but if I was a betting man, it goes on James.

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January 9th, 2020 at 4:30:43 AM permalink

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And, IMO, they are using unusually difficult questions for this competition. I felt like a dummy.

Yeah the questions definitely seem harder than usual.

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January 9th, 2020 at 10:31:05 AM permalink

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Yeah the questions definitely seem harder than usual.

I like it that way. Sort of like how the obstacle course on American Ninja Warrior gets really crazy for the championship, it should be a challenge to all of them. Even so, the three seem to be able to produce the correct questions for almost every answer.

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January 9th, 2020 at 11:06:12 AM permalink

I've found game 2 here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoGsssKNu08 - however the sound is terrible.

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January 9th, 2020 at 11:26:18 AM permalink

Both are now on Hulu, and abc.com. sorry the latter is blocked for you, Charlie.

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January 9th, 2020 at 11:44:29 AM permalink

Is there a British version of Jeopardy!?

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January 9th, 2020 at 12:07:59 PM permalink

Not that I'm aware of. There are a number of question based programs; Mastermind, Only Connect, The Chase spring to mind.

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January 9th, 2020 at 12:19:26 PM permalink

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I like it that way. Sort of like how the obstacle course on American Ninja Warrior gets really crazy for the championship, it should be a challenge to all of them. Even so, the three seem to be able to produce the correct questions for almost every answer.

I used to think the questions were harder.

But maybe that was when I was 13. ; )

If you�re watching the program at home with a friend who can consistently reel off the correct answers faster than you, even if you also know many of the answers you can still feel kind of dumb.

Edit - questions gee.

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January 14th, 2020 at 9:09:02 AM permalink

Next show tonight.

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January 14th, 2020 at 12:38:43 PM permalink

Go James Go!

I wonder how the taping worked in real time? Do they usually do five regular shows in a taping day? Since these are "double length" matches consisting of two games each, did they tape three "matches" (6 regular games) in one day?

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January 14th, 2020 at 1:58:56 PM permalink

They did one match (two games) in the morning, one match in the afternoon.

At this point, I'm hoping Ken wins it all, so our bet pushes.

Ratings for the show are thru the roof. 14 mill for Tue, 14.4 for Wed, 15.3 for Thur. Hopefully tonight will be even bigger. First in the time slot all 3 nights, they were 2-3-4 best ratings of 2020, after the Grammys. Last night CFBC might have beat them, haven't heard.

ABC is looking at other Jeopardy! show formatd to broadcast prime time. They can't believe how big this has gotten. And totally not expected. Fun!

Jeopardy test is Jan 28-30. Do it, people!

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January 15th, 2020 at 9:18:42 AM permalink

I was surprised Ken left himself open to be caught by not betting anything on the second Final Jeopardy. Do you think he did it:
A) To extend the game,
B) He thought he would miss it.
C) He thought James would miss it.

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January 15th, 2020 at 10:45:41 AM permalink

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I was surprised Ken left himself open to be caught by not betting anything on the second Final Jeopardy. Do you think he did it:
A) To extend the game,
B) He thought he would miss it.
C) He thought James would miss it.

I can't remember the exact scores, but I thought it was a case where: If James doubled up, Ken could not beat him, even if he were to double up as well.
But if James got it wrong, Ken would win if he wagered nothing. Basically, he could not improve his chances of winning by wagering anything.

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January 15th, 2020 at 11:05:18 AM permalink

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I was surprised Ken left himself open to be caught by not betting anything on the second Final Jeopardy. Do you think he did it:
A) To extend the game.
B) He thought he would miss it.
C) He thought James would miss it.

D) None of the above. :)

Ken knew if James bet properly, which he most certainly would do, and if James was correct, he couldn't catch James. So he bet zero. This way if James missed that final question, he would win, whether he answered correctly or not.

I'm sure he didn't expect James would miss it, so your option of C is not correct.

The only way Ken could win would be if James missed it, and Ken was most certainly hoping for that outcome, but I doubt as if he expected it. But betting zero was fine in that situation.

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January 15th, 2020 at 11:39:26 AM permalink

Here is a link to game #4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBVhE5Ws7q4 which was from "January 14th 2020" but has the picture/sound problem.

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January 15th, 2020 at 12:04:03 PM permalink

The bet was made in another thread, but I would like to note that I had Brad, Ayecarumba had James, and Ken was a push. So that bet has been retired afaic.

Suggest any other forum bets on this event be acknowledged /settled here, since this thread is current and on-point. I think there were one or two others.

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January 15th, 2020 at 12:13:38 PM permalink

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The bet was made in another thread, but I would like to note that I had Brad, Ayecarumba had James, and Ken was a push. So that bet has been retired afaic.

Suggest any other forum bets on this event be acknowledged /settled here, since this thread is current and on-point. I think there were one or two others.

Push acknowledged. It was a fun run. Thank you for the wager.

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January 15th, 2020 at 12:16:51 PM permalink

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...ABC is looking at other Jeopardy! show formatd to broadcast prime time....

I like the double game idea. In the UK some quiz shows have four quarters (or similar idea), where each round loses a contestant(s). So perhaps four in the first half, so those trailing still have something to go for; and three go forward into the second half. On Friday the four winners of the week play for a big prize. End of season could bring back all the weekly winners. The only downside is you lose the winners who just stay on, but Friday should be a good show.

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January 15th, 2020 at 12:17:58 PM permalink

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I was surprised Ken left himself open to be caught by not betting anything on the second Final Jeopardy. Do you think he did it:
A) To extend the game.
B) He thought he would miss it.
C) He thought James would miss it.

D) None of the above. :)

Ken knew if James bet properly, which he most certainly would do, and if James was correct, he couldn't catch James. So he bet zero. This way if James missed that final question, he would win, whether he answered correctly or not.

I'm sure he didn't expect James would miss it, so your option of C is not correct.

The only way Ken could win would be if James missed it, and Ken was most certainly hoping for that outcome, but I doubt as if he expected it. But betting zero was fine in that situation.

I don't think this is accurate. Combined with the total from his dominating first match win, Ken could have wagered enough in the second final jeopardy to put his combined total out of reach, even if James bet everything and had a correct response.

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January 15th, 2020 at 12:24:26 PM permalink

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I was surprised Ken left himself open to be caught by not betting anything on the second Final Jeopardy. Do you think he did it:
A) To extend the game.
B) He thought he would miss it.
C) He thought James would miss it.

D) None of the above. :)

Ken knew if James bet properly, which he most certainly would do, and if James was correct, he couldn't catch James. So he bet zero. This way if James missed that final question, he would win, whether he answered correctly or not.

I'm sure he didn't expect James would miss it, so your option of C is not correct.

The only way Ken could win would be if James missed it, and Ken was most certainly hoping for that outcome, but I doubt as if he expected it. But betting zero was fine in that situation.

I don't think this is accurate. Combined with the total from his dominating first match win, Ken could have wagered enough in the second final jeopardy to put his combined total out of reach, even if James bet everything and had a correct response.

No. James had enough that he would win if he bet nearly all. No matter what Ken did.

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