Fifteen Video Poker Machines

Quote: tournamentking

Your opinion is noted, axel. Now here's mine: your writing/spelling is bad, so you're not well educated; you wish to be seen as the gambler who knows everything, but when I mentioned I've played in Wild Card Slot Tournaments and you didn't have any knowledge of them, that set you off. Axel doesn't know about this....WHAT? Too much for you to handle, so off you went; I believe you (& your hero mickeycrimm who can't lose but has trouble following forum threads) could blow a .15 any time of day. I'm not interested in meanspirited discussions, so I've blocked you both.

First of all That didn't set me off(obviously you cant follow forum threads yourself) I just knew you were over exaggerating the structure, so I pressed you on the issue. but you toss the offer out. I only started pressing you more when you claimed to be something you're not. You got caught and tried to cover it up. The more you said the deeper you dug a hole(all that Rob singer crap really put up a red flag, don't forget how you don't use percentages or meter move) Once you realized you were not fooling us and we knew much more about slot AP then you, you started to talk more nonsense and then backpedal.

My writing skill has nothing to do with my gambling knowledge I have even made fun of it myself. We all have out flaws. Luckily I'm not chasing a writing career, so its not a -EV situation, Unfortunately for you, you are chasing a slot career, now that's -EV! If My writing skill is what you need to prove your point, take it and run because that and a supposed rare wild card slot tournament is all you got. BTW many of your posts consist of errors as well. Someone with superior writing skills may consider you uneducated as well (Glass houses).

I never claimed to know everything about gambling or more then everyone else, that would be impossible, every day I learn something new. I just know you have no clue whatsoever about slots. I think your information is financially dangerous to anyone interested in playing slots.

Aww, you seem jealous of me and Micky because you have no forum friends. Ohh wait, you have Rob singer. I'm fairly confident you and him can BLOW 15" any time of the day as well.

Quote: tournamentking

Your opinion is noted, axel. Now here's mine: your writing/spelling is bad, so you're not well educated; you wish to be seen as the gambler who knows everything, but when I mentioned I've played in Wild Card Slot Tournaments and you didn't have any knowledge of them, that set you off. Axel doesn't know about this....WHAT? Too much for you to handle, so off you went; I believe you (& your hero mickeycrimm who can't lose but has trouble following forum threads) could blow a .15 any time of day. I'm not interested in meanspirited discussions, so I've blocked you both.

What? You've blocked me? Say it ain't so, TK. Say it ain't so. Well, there you have it folks. If you put up a little math on your strategy you are mean spirited. You'll notice, folks, that TK is attacking Axel here for spelling and punctuation. Isn't that mean spirited? And TK came out in another thread attacking me without ever exchanging a post with me.

This is a clear cut example of someone who can't see the forest for the tree's. I don't give a damn about Axel's spelling and punctuation. I''ve read enough of his posts to know he is a world class advantage gambler. When he gives gambling advice I'm all ears. It's his knowledge I want. To hell with spelling and punctuation.

Quote: tournamentking

I do a calculated guess on how high I let the progressive get before playing it. Sometimes I wait too long though, go back the next night, and it's over. The Bellagio win was a bank of $10 machines that hit at $68k and $56k the two times prior. I spent a lot of time preparing but the investment was up there too. Correct, the hold % is not really known, esp. if the machines are in a bank.

In the old days it was child's play to figure the payback of a three reel slot machine. I'm talking the old electro-mechanical progressives. There were 22 stops on each reel. The odds of the top line hit was 22 X 22 X 22 = 10, 648. And it was easy to figure out the rest of the payback. You make about 100 spins or so writing down what symbol or blank landed on the line, the symbol or blank above it.... and the symbol or blank below it. You recorded each event on a separate piece of paper. Then you culled out all the duplicate stops. That told you how many of each symbol was on each reel. Then it was simple math to calculate the payback percentage between top line hits.

Nowadays, it's a virtual reel. Even though there may be only 22 physical stops on each reel the RNG can be programmed with duplicate stops. Take a 7's or Nothing machine. Let's say that there are 22 stops on each reel. Eleven of the stops on each reel shows a 7. Eleven stops show a blank. If it were an old electro-mechanical then the odds of the top line hit would be .5 X .5 X .5 = 12.5%, a one in 8 chance. But with the virtual reels you can program more stops into the RNG. You can adjust the odds of the top line hit upwards by programming more blank stops into the RNG. So each reel can be programmed with, say, 22 blank stops, and 11 stops where the 7 lands. So now there are 33 stops on each reel. And the equation for the three 7's hit would be .3333 X .3333 X .3333 = 3.70258%, a one in 27 chance.

That's how those reel machines work. There is nothing about those machines that can't be reverse engineered.

Quote: Perdition

Yeah I don't remember the thread but it was stories of odd places to find good plays. Might have been part of a mickeycrimm adventure thread. Always seems to be wild stories in those.

The story was about my buddy, Al. We were on a quarter FPJW spin poker play at the Atlantis in Reno when a friend of his told him there were rumors of a dollar Draw Till U Win video poker game (103.2%) in a bar somewhere on Virginia Street. Al jumped in a cab and hit every bar until he found it....in a gay bar. He was getting hit on left and right. The first royal he hit, the slot route operator removed the game. Or else Al might have become a regular customer in that bar.

Quote: mickeycrimm

The story was about my buddy, Al. We were on a quarter FPJW spin poker play at the Atlantis in Reno when a friend of his told him there were rumors of a dollar Draw Till U Win video poker game (103.2%) in a bar somewhere on Virginia Street. Al jumped in a cab and hit every bar until he found it....in a gay bar. He was getting hit on left and right. The first royal he hit, the slot route operator removed the game. Or else Al might have become a regular customer in that bar.

I have a feeling somewhere somehow in Las Vegas this story will pertain to me. Great promotion in a gay bar and be uncomfortable, or end up at a lesbian bar and get the glare of death from all lesbians who think I'm trying to score.