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5 votes (22.72%)
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mrsuit31
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December 5th, 2016 at 11:38:33 AM permalink
removed, duplicate.
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DJTeddyBear
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December 5th, 2016 at 1:11:55 PM permalink
Sigh, I lost one of the bets Mike mentioned.

As much as I had fun playing the game at the conference, I really don't see it ever finding its way into a casino. And I would have thought enough other attendees would also think that way, causing it to not be in the top three finalists in the competition. That it won, convinces me that the other voters cast their vote based upon the fun factor, and ignored the real problems on an install.

Well, since it won first place, and a field trial is one of the prizes, I'll amend my belief to be that it won't pass the trial.

I'm also concerned about any possible ADA (American Disabilities Act) issues. After all, a player with any type of physical handicap would be playing at a disadvantage.

For the record, I DID have fun. And I could see how much fun it would be for a group to play together. Of course, that fun was greatly reduced when I saw the rake on the main bet.

Additionally, those of us playing together were betting huge amounts on the side bet - and hitting.

If it were real money, I doubt I'd be betting that much.

To answer some of the questions that cropped up:

The buttons appear more robust than the typical slot machine buttons - or typical video game or pin ball buttons - but I'm also concerned about button malfunctions.

There is a scanner at the lip of the shoe, and a slight delay as the dealer is pulling each card so that when he turns it is the same moment when it appears on the display.

As each card is exposed, there is a timer on screen. When time runs out, the card is discarded.

Once someone fills their hand, there is a count down of the remaining cards to be offered. I'm not sure if this number is dependent upon the number of players, but each time I played (with a full table of 7 players), there were 8 more cards to come.

The side bet paytable is like a triangle. 7 players, 7 paylines. 6 players, 6 paylines. Etc.


I'm tempted to bet Mike on the outcome of the field trial, but I doubt we'd get good info on the results. Besides I'd rather put my money on SuperBowl NFL Championship prop bets. Are those out yet?
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December 5th, 2016 at 2:22:16 PM permalink
Regarding the collusion comments, I don't see this being a big issue as long as they keep the bet level low, like $10 or less. However, there still could be some colluding anyway, much as there can be cheating at cards games like bridge with no money at stake.

Pertaining to that issue and players breaking the game by pounding on it, I tend to think a human being should be present to police it. Of course, that will eat into profits. I would consider that a cost of doing business until the game becomes monkey proof.


Quote: DJTeddyBear

Sigh, I lost one of the bets Mike mentioned.



Nyah!

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I'm also concerned about any possible ADA (American Disabilities Act) issues. After all, a player with any type of physical handicap would be playing at a disadvantage.



I'm not an attorney, but it sounds rather ridiculous to me that a handicapped person could claim discrimination regarding this game. A blind person could claim that in regular poker because he couldn't see other players for purposes of picking up tells. Never mind the problem of knowing what his own cards are.
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December 5th, 2016 at 2:29:52 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

...I'm not an attorney, but it sounds rather ridiculous to me that a handicapped person could claim discrimination regarding this game. A blind person could claim that in regular poker because he couldn't see other players for purposes of picking up tells. Never mind the problem of knowing what his own cards are.



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DJTeddyBear
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December 5th, 2016 at 3:09:25 PM permalink
That period screwed up the link. Try this:
http://berksmontnews.com/article/BM/20151118/NEWS/151119904
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December 5th, 2016 at 3:53:55 PM permalink
Which two people voted to free Cascadia?
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OzzyOsbourne
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December 5th, 2016 at 4:56:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Regarding the collusion comments, I don't see this being a big issue as long as they keep the bet level low, like $10 or less. However, there still could be some colluding anyway, much as there can be cheating at cards games like bridge with no money at stake.



Collusion would be a huge issue and would be an absolute AP players dream if the bets were actually large enough. Even if the limits were only 10 bucks, depending on the rake (drop?). Even in that last hand. If you have a hand that does not beat the person you are colluding with, or even if it does but just barely, you can now go on the defensive and just try to block anyone from taking cards that beat friend's hand. There would be opportunities to play defensive a lot it seems. It seems to me that you would be drawing dead often, but be very live to ruin the hand of an opponent trying to beat your partner. I imagine you could come up with some pretty sophisticated strategies of which person should do what. Allowing the better hand make their hand while one or two other people play defense.

Still sounds like fun. Also I think third base would be able to see the card just a fraction of a second quicker while it is in the dealers hand, but maybe not.
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December 5th, 2016 at 5:38:58 PM permalink
Since the system already knows every player's cards and actions, it should be quite possible to program red flags for collusion. Like frequently taking cards that can't help you, especially if this is done is correlated to another particular player winning. I'm sure the colluding players would try to figure out what sets off the red flags and then use camouflage. I don't know much about the casinos response and responsibilities about collusion in real poker, but maybe something can be learned from that.
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DJTeddyBear
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December 5th, 2016 at 7:13:06 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Which two people voted to free Cascadia?

Me. I'm one.

You usually have weird options for the last choice, and I wasn't looking too closely, and my Spanish spelling is no good...

I thought it said Free Quesadilla.
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December 5th, 2016 at 7:19:33 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That period screwed up the link. Try this:
http://berksmontnews.com/article/BM/20151118/NEWS/151119904



Thanks. Hitting the space bar after pasting automatically adds the period from my phone. I fixed it.
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