2018 WoV Picks game (discussion thread)
Quote: Mission146We have our winner! He's luling us into a false sense of security.
Well, you never know but truth be told if you offered me 100 - 1 to bet on myself I wouldn't take it. I'm hoping I learn something from my entry fee, and I enjoyed hanging out in the co-op game thread.
Quote: RomesWill you give me the same odds/bet? That I'll make it in to the top 3? Any interest on top 5?
Yes. 2-1 you dont make top 3. 5-1 you dont win. I assume you will just make it a 'fair' bet, and not AP it. Meaning you wont offer $100 to a player ahead of you to forfeit, you won't collude with other players, stuff like that. I'm assuming a minimum of 25 bonafide players, which I don't think will be an issue. Even money on top 5.
Quote: AxelWolfGive me 3 to 1 Wizard in the top 3?
You have reading comprehension problems, my friend Axel? I offered someone with less of a track record 2-1 to finish in the top 3 and you think I'll give you higher odds (3-1) to accomplish the same? I'll give you 2-1 Wizard does not finish in the top 3. Same conditions I gave Romes. No AP moves like offering to buy off another player, you intentionally losing, etc...
I think (though I may change) I will take weekly no matter the spread What kind of odds can I get if I take these same teams every week to finish in the top 10? $25 bet?
Jets
Dolphins
Pittsburgh
Raiders
Patriots
All teams who Drafted or signed some of my favorite Marshall University Players in the past
Chad Pennington
Byron Leftwhich
Randy Moss
Troy Brown
Note that you will need to select another team or two when any of your five teams play against each other.
Ha! Nice try. No way will he offer you that.Quote: rainmanSOOP can I get 2-1 on finishing above 50% of field I have failed in my previous 2 attempts.
Quote: EdCollinsIf you throw darts you won't be anywhere close to 0-85. (I suspect you are joking, of course.) You will be much closer to 50-50.
Note that you will need to select another team or two when any of your five teams play against each other.
I will add in the Giants and eagles as alternates
You might be fine with the alternates, but I’m not sure.
Quote: Mission146Don’t forget the bye week. That’s 0-5 to start.
You might be fine with the alternates, but I’m not sure.
umm the season is 17 weeks including the bye correct?
My original 5 teams picked. If any have a bye week I go to my two alternate teams. If those are also unable to give me 5 picks playing then I get to open pick the rest. I doubt all 7 teams will be a bye week.
This is all blind other than the 3rd scenario the teams I picked to COVER the SPREAD
Agreed that I'd hope BOTH of us would have a gentleman's bet, aka no funny business, aka nothing pieces moved privately, no places 'bought', etc.Quote: SOOPOOYes. 2-1 you dont make top 3. 5-1 you dont win. I assume you will just make it a 'fair' bet, and not AP it. Meaning you wont offer $100 to a player ahead of you to forfeit, you won't collude with other players, stuff like that. I'm assuming a minimum of 25 bonafide players, which I don't think will be an issue. Even money on top 5.
Hmm, I'll have to ponder the odds a bit more before committing. 2-1 on the top 3 and even money on top 5. I'll get back to ya =P.
Quote: RomesAgreed that I'd hope BOTH of us would have a gentleman's bet, aka no funny business, aka nothing pieces moved privately, no places 'bought', etc.
Hmm, I'll have to ponder the odds a bit more before committing. 2-1 on the top 3 and even money on top 5. I'll get back to ya =P.
lol, Romes, your first year picking was last year and you started out very humble about your chances, sort of like troopscott is this year. But, you finished quite well, as I remember. Now, you seem cocky. Do you really think your odds are 1 in 3 to be in the top 3?
I would take some of that action, I'm pretty sure you won't be in the top 3. I'll give you 2.3 -1.
My favorites for the top 3? Wizard has a record that is hard to deny. And, Babs has impressed me with her picks. Miplet always worries me. Of course, MidwestAP won last year by a large margin. And I think I finished tied for 5th last year - that was my first year and I'm determined to improve this year. And there will be twenty other pickers out there, most of them sharper than tacks. This is a tough field, son. I'd advise you to go for Mr. Average.
Quote: gordonm888
My favorites for the top 3? Wizard has a record that is hard to deny. And, Babs has impressed me with her picks. Miplet always worries me. Of course, MidwestAP won last year by a large margin. And I think I finished tied for 5th last year - that was my first year and I'm determined to improve this year. And there will be twenty other pickers out there, most of them sharper than tacks. This is a tough field, son. I'd advise you to go for Mr. Average.
Well then!
I’m only third ALL TIME among players with a huge sample size, but okay.
Funny thing is, I don’t know that I’ve ever actually finished in the Top 3.
I will take my first 5 teams the first 6 weeks (from previous post)
Week 7 will sub in Giants and Eagles
week 11 I will sub in Eagles, Broncos, and Saints
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adding from previous posts
My guess is I might go 0-85. I quit watching football when Kapernick decided he needed a knee. Actually a little before that when the rams wore those shirts in the debunked story of Michael Brown. I will be throwing darts for my picks
I think (though I may change) I will take weekly no matter the spread What kind of odds can I get if I take these same teams every week to finish in the top 10? $25 bet?
Jets
Dolphins
Pittsburgh
Raiders
Patriots
All teams who Drafted or signed some of my favorite Marshall University Players in the past
Chad Pennington
Byron Leftwhich
Randy Moss
Troy Brown
Can't seem to get 3-1 out of anyone and I should be a clear non-favorite! Ha, not being cocky at all (still think I suck at this) but hey given the right price I'll give it a whirl. I still don't have any kind of knowledge on the sport past a hometown team (and still can't even name all the players on it). Would you be interested in any action for me making top 5?Quote: gordonm888lol, Romes, your first year picking was last year and you started out very humble about your chances, sort of like troopscott is this year. But, you finished quite well, as I remember. Now, you seem cocky. Do you really think your odds are 1 in 3 to be in the top 3?
I would take some of that action, I'm pretty sure you won't be in the top 3. I'll give you 2.3 -1...
Quote: Mission146Well then!
I’m only third ALL TIME among players with a huge sample size, but okay.
Funny thing is, I don’t know that I’ve ever actually finished in the Top 3.
You finished 3rd in 2016.
2012 6th
2013 17th
2014 15th
2015 6th
2016 3rd
2017 9th
Ok yes, so, 3 to 1 it is.Quote: SOOPOOYou have reading comprehension problems, my friend Axel? I offered someone with less of a track record 2-1 to finish in the top 3 and you think I'll give you higher odds (3-1) to accomplish the same? I'll give you 2-1 Wizard does not finish in the top 3. Same conditions I gave Romes. No AP moves like offering to buy off another player, you intentionally losing, etc...
Is there a custodian for the money during the season?
Quote: GWAEFYI, if anyone doesn't pay up then they should always be outted. It could save someone else the trouble down the road.
Depends on why they didn't pay up. For example, if they suddenly got rear ended or something like that and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason to have ended up not paying. If they fell down while cleaning their bathroom and ended up landing in a hospital, valid reason for not paying. If they ended up having food poisoning, and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If an animal attacked them, and they ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If they got beat up/down, and landed in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. Do you see the pattern here? ;)
Quote: NathanDepends on why they didn't pay up. For example, if they suddenly got rear ended or something like that and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason to have ended up not paying. If they fell down while cleaning their bathroom and ended up landing in a hospital, valid reason for not paying. If they ended up having food poisoning, and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If an animal attacked them, and they ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If they got beat up/down, and landed in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. Do you see the pattern here? ;)
Pathetic. Just pathetic. So just STIFF THE DOCTORS that took care of you when you met misfortune! Who the f... cares about the surgeon who fixed your broken leg! Who the f... cares about the hospital that paid to staff that operating room!
Your bad decision to not either buy health insurance or get a job that provides health insurance means it is ok to not pay the people who took care of you? If you are actually poor enough you get free health insurance anyway (Medicaid). If I broke my leg and limped into Walgreens and just took the medicines and splints that would be ok? You wouldn't call the police on me?
IT IS BS to think it is ok to not pay medical bills. DON"T spend money on stupid lottery tickets! Save that money in case you need it to pay someone whose services you use, be it a doctor or plumber or electrician.
Pathetic.
Quote: djatcI've looked through the thread and didn't find an answer:
Is there a custodian for the money during the season?
Not this year, I don’t think. There is no real reason for someone to hold all the money. 90%+ of the players will be long time members or will have played before.
Quote: NathanDepends on why they didn't pay up. For example, if they suddenly got rear ended or something like that and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason to have ended up not paying. If they fell down while cleaning their bathroom and ended up landing in a hospital, valid reason for not paying. If they ended up having food poisoning, and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If an animal attacked them, and they ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If they got beat up/down, and landed in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. Do you see the pattern here? ;)
Why did I just read this whole post? Just ducked me in and thought I would find something useful
Quote: SOOPOOPathetic. Just pathetic. So just STIFF THE DOCTORS that took care of you when you met misfortune! Who the f... cares about the surgeon who fixed your broken leg! Who the f... cares about the hospital that paid to staff that operating room!
Your bad decision to not either buy health insurance or get a job that provides health insurance means it is ok to not pay the people who took care of you? If you are actually poor enough you get free health insurance anyway (Medicaid). If I broke my leg and limped into Walgreens and just took the medicines and splints that would be ok? You wouldn't call the police on me?
IT IS BS to think it is ok to not pay medical bills. DON"T spend money on stupid lottery tickets! Save that money in case you need it to pay someone whose services you use, be it a doctor or plumber or electrician.
Pathetic.
Oh my God. I was talking about a valid reason for someone who didn't pay up for the WOV Picks game! I was saying a valid reason for not paying was because they landed in a hospital and therefore wasn't able to pay because they were in a hospital. God, I love the edit button! ;) Landing in a hospital was what I originally meant to say. ;)
None of those examples you give are valid reasons for not paying your debts in a WOV Picks game. Not one of them.Quote: NathanOh my God. I was talking about a valid reason for someone who didn't pay up for the WOV Picks game! I was saying a valid reason for not paying was because they landed in a hospital and had to pay their medical bills for their hospital stay!
Quote: EdCollinsNone of those examples you give are valid reasons for not paying your debts in a WOV Picks game. Not one of them.
Ed, meet Nathan. Nathan... Ed.
PS. Ed is right.
Is Nathan playing?
Quote: prozemaEd, meet Nathan. Nathan... Ed.
PS. Ed is right.
Is Nathan playing?
I'm not playing now since I don't have a PayPal account. But I did edit my button to say what I originally meant to say. Landing in a hospital when it's time to pay is a legitimate reason for not paying up. Although you should pay up when you are released from the hospital or soon after. ;)
THAT I will agree with.Quote: Nathan... Although you should pay up when you are released from the hospital or soon after. ;)
Quote: EdCollinsTHAT I will agree with.
:)
Quote: NathanDepends on why they didn't pay up. For example, if they suddenly got rear ended or something like that and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason to have ended up not paying. If they fell down while cleaning their bathroom and ended up landing in a hospital, valid reason for not paying. If they ended up having food poisoning, and ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If an animal attacked them, and they ended up in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. If they got beat up/down, and landed in a hospital, they have a valid reason for not paying. Do you see the pattern here? ;)
No. It. Doesn't. If you make a bet, you need to pay up if you lose. People get banned for welching on here.
When you place a bet, you do one of 3 things:
1. You pay before you know the result.
2. You put the money into escrow with a neutral party before the bet is resolved
3. You put the money away: it is spent until you win it back.
There is no worthy excuse. Either you have the resources to pay the winner, or you don't make the bet.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo. It. Doesn't. If you make a bet, you need to pay up if you lose. People get banned for welching on here.
When you place a bet, you do one of 3 things:
1. You pay before you know the result.
2. You put the money into escrow with a neutral party before the bet is resolved
3. You put the money away: it is spent until you win it back.
There is no worthy excuse. Either you have the resources to pay the winner, or you don't make the bet.
Good points, Babs. For some odd reason I was going on the honor system when I wrote that post, the I'll pay when I lose thing. For example, I say, "I'll pay $100 if The Patriots lose next year's Superbowl." The Dolphins win, and THEN I pay the $100. I don't pay anything until I lose. I think that's the Honor System, paying only when you lose.
Quote: NathanGood points, Babs. For some odd reason I was going on the honor system when I wrote that post, the I'll pay when I lose thing. For example, I say, "I'll pay $100 if The Patriots lose next year's Superbowl." The Dolphins win, and THEN I pay the $100. I don't pay anything until I lose. I think that's the Honor System, paying only when you lose.
That falls under 3. You put the money away until the bet is resolved. If you need to pay the rent (or spend it on anythong else) with it in the mean time, you shouldn't make the bet in the first place.
The honor system just means you're good for it if you lose the bet. It's more about whether you will honor your debts, than a system of its own.
The phrase itself refers to cheating, lying about cheating, or standing by when others cheat, specifically on school tests, more than betting and paying up.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI'm in.
Nice!
Perhaps Wizard can offer a non-monetary prize for beating him, like a pardon for a banned member or two of your choice.
Quote: Mission146Not this year, I don’t think. There is no real reason for someone to hold all the money. 90%+ of the players will be long time members or will have played before.
The dollar amount isn't a big deal, but the fact I could get welched on is a concern. I know that most members are upstanding and will pay a debt right away, especially for a low amount.
If there needs to be an escrow-holder, I am willing to do it.
Why not use one of the sites previously posted? They collect the money from everyone and hold it (with I 'think' 1 person being the 'admin' on the account) and they charge a small-ish fee. So like I said before, pass the buck on to everyone... Entry fee is like $11, $10 to prize pool and $1 to cover fee for convenience and escrow storing.Quote: beachbumbabsI guess I would prefer the pre-pay option, since Ed and a couple others had an issue. But willing to pay at the end as well.
If there needs to be an escrow-holder, I am willing to do it.
Quote: RomesWhy not use one of the sites previously posted? They collect the money from everyone and hold it (with I 'think' 1 person being the 'admin' on the account) and they charge a small-ish fee. So like I said before, pass the buck on to everyone... Entry fee is like $11, $10 to prize pool and $1 to cover fee for convenience and escrow storing.
Because I don't charge for the escrow service. (Neither did Mission in past years). Use PayPal, mark it as a gift, no fees. Use Amazon Gift Cards, free. Etc.
Last I saw, entry fee is $25. Why should we pay some service $30-$75 to hold money?
Quote: beachbumbabsI guess I would prefer the pre-pay option, since Ed and a couple others had an issue. But willing to pay at the end as well.
If there needs to be an escrow-holder, I am willing to do it.
Thanks BBB
I think anybody that participated in the past is trusted
New members, send to BBB
Quote: RomesWhy not use one of the sites previously posted? They collect the money from everyone and hold it (with I 'think' 1 person being the 'admin' on the account) and they charge a small-ish fee. So like I said before, pass the buck on to everyone... Entry fee is like $11, $10 to prize pool and $1 to cover fee for convenience and escrow storing.
Because we have to pay them more than $0.
Quote: beachbumbabsBecause I don't charge for the escrow service. (Neither did Mission in past years). Use PayPal, mark it as a gift, no fees. Use Amazon Gift Cards, free. Etc.
Last I saw, entry fee is $25. Why should we pay some service $30-$75 to hold money?
I’m fine with this if everyone wants to do it, thanks BBB!!!
However BBB wants to do it is fine with me, but we’re not going to collect the $25 from some and not from others. It’s either everybody or nobody.
We did this for four years without collecting upfront fees. I never really wanted to, to be honest. I only did it as a condition of WoN’s donations to the game. I’d convert the Amazon Cards to restaurant gift cards I didn’t really want, (the places I normally go weren’t available) and then put the money in the bank.
There are sites that will let people make the picks directly online and track records, unless you really enjoy aggregating the data. I think some may be free.Quote: Mission146Because we have to pay them more than $0.
Quote: unJonThere are sites that will let people make the picks directly online and track records, unless you really enjoy aggregating the data. I think some may be free.
EdCollins’ program is awesome. If we do the other, it’s just a site everyone has to remember to go on. I think more than half of the Picks I get are in response to my PM reminders. This is the most convenient way possible for players.
By the way, it's all ready to go for the upcoming year. I updated the program with the schedule for the upcoming 2018 season yesterday.Quote: Mission146EdCollins’ program is awesome. If we do the other, it’s just a site everyone has to remember to go on. I think more than half of the Picks I get are in response to my PM reminders. This is the most convenient way possible for players.
It's as easy as I can make it. I cut and paste everyone's picks from your forum message into the program (an Excel spreadsheet), wait until Monday evening, click a button, and that's it. Clicking the button downloads the final scores of the games from the NFL website, and determines everyone's weekly score, and overall score, listing everyone by percentage. It then creates a text file with HTML coding that colorizes the results that I then can paste back as my own forum message.
I first started using it in 2013, and I believe it's been error-free for at least two years now.
That’s another reason we should stick with this way. The value of the program appreciates over time, the biggest part of the work was on the front end. The longer we use the program, the more value it has!
Thanks for loading all of the schedule! Is that process automated, too?
