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March 14th, 2017 at 12:12:28 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I might like when you post your picks, post some randomly picked picks against them, which could repeat your own picks. Like you pick 3 games, 3 games are chosen randomly from all available. I thought about the same thing you've done, but for horseracing, but to show how useless a guru can be. Maybe next year I'll do it.




Meaning no edge is to be had? You'd do just as well picking by random?

I'm not sure if I have an edge and if I do it's pretty small at this point but I know there are people who make quite a bit of money betting sports. Obviously the touts that sell their picks are all garbage salesman and you cannot win by paying for picks.
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March 14th, 2017 at 10:07:57 AM permalink
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Meaning no edge is to be had? You'd do just as well picking by random?

I'm not sure if I have an edge and if I do it's pretty small at this point but I know there are people who make quite a bit of money betting sports. Obviously the touts that sell their picks are all garbage salesman and you cannot win by paying for picks.

The main point is if you're picking based on conditions, at the same time, designate as many not based on conditions, just to see how you match up. Then you can see how you compare to random picks.

With me, the best I can do is visual handicapping and reading others opinions, handicapping handicappers, as far as racing. Cannot really read a racing form yet, when I can, I'll probably wonder the point as much as now, wondering what difference there is.
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March 14th, 2017 at 10:36:31 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

With me, the best I can do is visual handicapping and reading others opinions, handicapping handicappers, as far as racing. Cannot really read a racing form yet, when I can, I'll probably wonder the point as much as now, wondering what difference there is.



The racing form is not often very useful in gaining an edge but it sometimes is. If there are 12 horses in a race it's very possible that even a knowledgeable handicapper missed something important about 1 or 2 horses. News coverage of racing is generally only very good for big races, not for the little ones. I once found a horse racing in the slop let off at 6/1 when he had won and excelled in the slop at the same level 2 races back. You would think that everybody would have seen that and bet the horse down but sometimes it doesn't happen. I have seen a cheap speed horse who always takes the early lead and then falters being shortened to 4 furlongs and should have been bet way down but wasn't. I hope you don't mind me saying so but I think you would benefit by learning to read the form.
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March 14th, 2017 at 3:47:37 PM permalink
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Tuesday..

Pistons +7.5
Pelicans -3.5
OVER 210 nyk/ind
UNDER 226 okc/brk


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March 15th, 2017 at 3:28:28 PM permalink
Quote: RisingDough

UNDER 226 okc/brk

ok. final score
okc 122
nets 104
total: 226

btw,
14 free throws missed (I guess free comes at a cost)

why is this considered a push? My hubby pushed too.

the total was not under 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet...

the total was not over 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet for
those that bet over

is there some rule
that makes the sportsbook not win both?

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March 15th, 2017 at 4:09:39 PM permalink
Today played ind und 202.5, min+6, bulls und 201.5, phx -5.5

Ill update record tonight


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March 15th, 2017 at 4:10:54 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

ok. final score
okc 122
nets 104
total: 226

btw,
14 free throws missed (I guess free comes at a cost)

why is this considered a push? My hubby pushed too.

the total was not under 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet...

the total was not over 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet for
those that bet over

is there some rule
that makes the sportsbook not win both?

Go Wildcats!
Sally



If it lands right on the number it's considered a push with bets being refunded.
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March 15th, 2017 at 4:38:39 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

ok. final score
okc 122
nets 104
total: 226

btw,
14 free throws missed (I guess free comes at a cost)

why is this considered a push? My hubby pushed too.

the total was not under 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet...

the total was not over 226
so I think the sportsbook wins the bet for
those that bet over

is there some rule
that makes the sportsbook not win both?

Go Wildcats!
Sally

Think how much money they keep when people assumed they had lost. A lot. I even almost threw away a $70 winning ticket on a horse bet because somehow I watched the wrong race and the horse with similar odds was at the same post. Naturally I checked it, like I normally do, but I could possibly under the right conditions, procrastinate and never check. I usually keep them in my wallet until I finally check, but mistakes happen.

The pick races offer consolations if horses are scratched, transferring your picks to post time favorites. Now that may seem fair, but it truthfully isn't. If the people don't understand the rules, they might assume they just didn't win, and never cash. In such cases, the true winners get diluted by these people and lose that fraction to the lost and found. I think it would be fairer to refund that bet and let tracks lose out on commission than short changing winners. The tracks get paid twice in this system. If you wager electronically, tickets are never forgotten and are automatically credited to accounts if winners. It's the true golden rule in effect, whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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March 15th, 2017 at 5:58:44 PM permalink
I don't like the thought of betting on horses. If your horse trips, falls, and gets injured and cannot run anymore, you are screwed.
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March 16th, 2017 at 4:53:53 AM permalink
Updated record

YTD

Sides 16-12-2 +3units
Totals 14-10-1 +3 units

Overall 30-22-3 +6 units
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March 16th, 2017 at 5:15:06 AM permalink
Ncaa..

Princeton +7
Bucknell +14
Unc Wilm +7.5
Arizona -16.5
Gonzaga -22.5
Nevada +6
Purdue -10
Mid Ten St -1
Butler -11


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March 16th, 2017 at 6:25:33 AM permalink
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I don't like the thought of betting on horses. If your horse trips, falls, and gets injured and cannot run anymore, you are screwed.

Speaking of horses and coincidences. I believe MR. Ed was a female posing as a male(sound familiar?) She was actually a zebra named Amelia.

I wonder if she also liked to pretend to be male when she was a kid (foal?)?
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March 16th, 2017 at 3:54:59 PM permalink
Nba

Mem/atl UNDER 202.5
Orl/gsw OVER 218.5
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March 16th, 2017 at 6:57:39 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Speaking of horses and coincidences. I believe MR. Ed was a female posing as a male(sound familiar?) She was actually a zebra named Amelia.

I wonder if she also liked to pretend to be male when she was a kid (foal?)?



Um. I gotta go pee. ;)
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March 17th, 2017 at 5:25:49 AM permalink
Record:

NBA:
sides 16-12-2 +3 units
totals 15-11-1 +2.9 units

March Madness:

Sides 6-2-1 + 3.8 units

OVERALL

37-25-4 +9.7 units
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March 17th, 2017 at 5:29:39 AM permalink
Friday

Okla st +2.5
Okla st/Michigan UNDER 154
NewmexSt/Baylor UNDER 134.5
Rhode Island pk
USC/SMU UNDER 138
Wichita St -6

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March 18th, 2017 at 3:17:04 AM permalink
Quote: RisingDough

Friday

Okla st +2.5
Okla st/Michigan UNDER 154
NewmexSt/Baylor UNDER 134.5
Rhode Island pk
USC/SMU UNDER 138
Wichita St -6

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New YTD

NBA

Sides 16-12-2 +3 units
Totals 15-11-1 +2.9 units

March Madness

Sides 8-2-2 +5.8 units
Totals 1-2 -1.2 units

OVERALL 40-27-5 +10.5 units
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March 18th, 2017 at 3:20:46 AM permalink
Saturday

St Marys +5
Northwestern +11
ND OVER 147
Wisc UNDER 129
Xavier OVER 150.5
Syracuse OVER 158.5

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March 18th, 2017 at 8:03:36 AM permalink
It looks like you had a push in Wichita State that your forgot to add in your totals.
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March 19th, 2017 at 12:39:08 AM permalink
Quote: RisingDough

Saturday

St Marys +5
Northwestern +11
ND OVER 147
Wisc UNDER 129
Xavier OVER 150.5
Syracuse OVER 158.5

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Updated figure

NBA
Sides 16-12-2 +3 units
Totals 15-11-1 +2.9 units

NCAA
Sides 9-3-2 +5.7 units
Totals 5-2 +2.8 units

Overall
45-28-5 +14.4 units
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March 19th, 2017 at 4:31:46 AM permalink
Sunday:

Wichita St +5
South Carolina +7.5
UNC under 163
Michigan under 142
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March 19th, 2017 at 4:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: RisingDough

Sunday:

Wichita St +5
South Carolina +7.5
UNC under 163
Michigan under 142



Adding Cinci +4
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March 20th, 2017 at 5:07:04 AM permalink
YTD

NBA
Sides 16-12-2 +3 units
Totals 15-11-1 +2.9 units

NCAA
Sides 11-4-2 +6.6 units
Totals 6-2-1 +3.8 units

Overall 48-29-6 +16.3 units
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March 20th, 2017 at 5:53:07 AM permalink
Monday:

Thunder +2
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March 20th, 2017 at 8:25:59 AM permalink
You've been pretty good. You have a good handle of March Madness so far. I like taking points in MM as well. The points are very valuable in this tournament, especially when either team can win. I have UCLA as my winner at 12-1. Who do you like?
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March 20th, 2017 at 2:54:52 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

You've been pretty good. You have a good handle of March Madness so far. I like taking points in MM as well. The points are very valuable in this tournament, especially when either team can win. I have UCLA as my winner at 12-1. Who do you like?



I have 4 pending futures, took one from each region (never posted and won't be included in my record)

UNC +700
Kansas +850
Wvir +2500
Baylor +5000
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March 20th, 2017 at 2:58:14 PM permalink
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I have 4 pending futures, took one from each region (never posted and won't be included in my record)

UNC +700
Kansas +850
Wvir +2500
Baylor +5000


Why wouldn't you include them in your record. Also I'm enjoying reading your thread, keep up the winning!
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Why wouldn't you include them in your record. Also I'm enjoying reading your thread, keep up the winning!




Because I didn't post them before tournament started, wouldn't be right and it makes your results look so skewed if you hit a big one. I just wanted to track my ATS record and %

Might be done soon, NBA can be tricky here at end of season when teams motivations are unknown.
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March 21st, 2017 at 4:03:35 PM permalink
Bulls +7.5
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March 21st, 2017 at 4:43:15 PM permalink
Phx OVER 215.5
NO -2.5
Por-5
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March 22nd, 2017 at 4:47:05 PM permalink
Nuggets +3
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March 23rd, 2017 at 5:44:49 AM permalink
YTD

NBA
Sides 19-14-2 +3.8 units
Totals 15-12-1 +1.8 units

NCAA
Sides 11-4-2 +6.6 units
Totals 6-2-1 +3.8 units

Overall 51-32-7 +16 units
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March 23rd, 2017 at 5:52:17 AM permalink
Purdue +5
West Virginia +3
West Virginia OVER 148.5
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March 23rd, 2017 at 9:54:57 AM permalink
RD, I have found if that my pick of a dog matched yours I did awfully well.
When I looked at the NCAA games for today, I felt that 3 of the favorites were going to move on including the favorites in the games in which you picked the dogs of Purdue and West Virginia.

In consideration of the fact that I always lean towards taking the dogs and I see where you have picked the opposite side in 2 of the games, I'm going to not play those 2. I hope you're right, and if you're wrong then I'm just gonna have to hate you :-).
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March 24th, 2017 at 12:50:48 AM permalink
YTD

NBA
Sides 19-14-2 +3.8 units
Totals 15-12-1 +1.8 units

NCAA
Sides 11-5-3 +5.5 units
Totals 6-3-1 +2.7 units

Overall 51-34-8 +13.8 units
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March 24th, 2017 at 4:13:11 PM permalink
NBA
Det/Orl OVER 207.5
Mil/Atl UNDER 201.5
Pacers -1.5
Pelicans +8
Kings +17.5


NCAA
Kentucky +1.5
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March 25th, 2017 at 2:34:09 AM permalink
Devin Booker of the Suns just scored 70 points last night against the Celtics in a losing effort. He's just 20 years old. Amazing. Take a look:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaiSI3ZYwZ8
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NCAA

Oregon +8 -140
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March 26th, 2017 at 4:28:36 AM permalink
YTD Totals

NBA
Sides 20-16-2 +2.6 units
Totals 16-13-1 +1.7 units

NCAA
Sides 13-5-3 +7.5 units
Totals 6-3-1 +2.7 units

Overall 55-37-7 +14.5 units
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March 30th, 2017 at 4:39:15 PM permalink
Mlb X

Stros -120

Nhl

Bruins over 6
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March 30th, 2017 at 7:42:41 PM permalink
nba

Under 231 rockets
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YTD Totals

NBA
Sides 20-16-2 +2.6 units
Totals 17-13-1 +2.7 units

NCAA
Sides 13-5-3 +7.5 units
Totals 6-3-1 +2.7 units

NHL
Totals 0-1 -1.1 units

MLB preseason
Sides 1-0 +1 unit

Overall 57-38-7 +15.4 units
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Friday..

Kings +11.5
Wizards +3.5 -120
Grizzlies -3
Dal/Mem UNDER 192
Det/Mlw OVER 196
Mia/Nyk OVER 204
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March 31st, 2017 at 5:49:27 PM permalink
Miss St women +21
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April 1st, 2017 at 2:15:05 AM permalink
Gross...

I almost typed in "They may SHOCK THE WORLD"

Could have had moneyline at 20-1 !!!
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April 1st, 2017 at 2:18:32 AM permalink
YTD Totals

NBA
Sides 21-18-2 +1.3 units
Totals 19-14-1 +3.6 units

NCAA MEN
Sides 13-5-3 +7.5 units
Totals 6-3-1 +2.7 units

NCAA WOMEN
Sides 1-0 +1 unit

NHL
Totals 0-1 -1.1 units

MLB preseason
Sides 1-0 +1 unit

Overall 61-41-7 +16 units
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April 1st, 2017 at 3:07:19 PM permalink
Magic/Nets OVER 222
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April 2nd, 2017 at 3:49:22 AM permalink
YTD Totals

NBA
Sides 21-18-2 +1.3 units
Totals 20-14-1 +4.6 units

NCAA MEN
Sides 13-5-3 +7.5 units
Totals 6-3-1 +2.7 units

NCAA WOMEN
Sides 1-0 +1 unit

NHL
Totals 0-1 -1.1 units

MLB preseason
Sides 1-0 +1 unit

Overall 62-41-7 +17 units
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April 2nd, 2017 at 5:28:37 AM permalink
Not sure if I'll be doing mlb all year but had to jump in for opening day!

Rays +100
Zona +120
Zona/giants OVER 8
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