WoV Picks Game 2013 (Discussion Thread)

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October 31st, 2013 at 10:19:18 AM permalink

Quote: Paradigm
Thanks for all the effort both Ed & Mission are putting in to this......despite my miserable performance, it has made NFL football more fun for me this year.

As a follow up question, it seemed like my previous weeks Over Under picks were graded correctly (at least I didn't notice them being wrong before). Did something get changed in the spreadsheet calculator between the previous weeks and this week's glitch?

You're welcome. It's no problem. And Mission is doing far more work than me each week, with having to accept everyone's picks, e-mail reminders, post the picks, etc.

And yes, these past few Sundays I find myself rooting for teams I otherwise would have no interest in, all thanks to this stupid, stupid contest. :) My goal now is to just break .500. How pathetic is that? :)

No, the grading calculator didn't change. Just somehow Mission entered the over/under lines this past week as a "text" entry. (The cell format was changed to text.) I'm assuming he cut and pasted in those lines this past week, and in doing so inadvertently changed the cell format. That's the only thing I can think of. It was fine on my end, because I didn't cut and paste them in. And yes, Week 7 and all of the prior weeks were fine. And as I mentioned before, the code didn't take into account the format might get changed. That's an oversight on the programmer... me. I should have allowed for this possibility.

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October 31st, 2013 at 10:21:20 AM permalink

Quote: Malaru
...ok.. Ill be the first to say it..

THANK YOU and HOORAY for the correction!

I preferred it before the correction... everyone was doing much worse, including the leader :D

Nice job catching this one and fixing.

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November 1st, 2013 at 6:13:29 AM permalink

Quote: EdCollins
You're welcome. It's no problem. And Mission is doing far more work than me each week, with having to accept everyone's picks, e-mail reminders, post the picks, etc.

And yes, these past few Sundays I find myself rooting for teams I otherwise would have no interest in, all thanks to this stupid, stupid contest. :) My goal now is to just break .500. How pathetic is that? :)

No, the grading calculator didn't change. Just somehow Mission entered the over/under lines this past week as a "text" entry. (The cell format was changed to text.) I'm assuming he cut and pasted in those lines this past week, and in doing so inadvertently changed the cell format. That's the only thing I can think of. It was fine on my end, because I didn't cut and paste them in. And yes, Week 7 and all of the prior weeks were fine. And as I mentioned before, the code didn't take into account the format might get changed. That's an oversight on the programmer... me. I should have allowed for this possibility.

I should point out that I'd be doing far more work than I am currently doing had EdCollins not taken the time to make this most excellent program!

I'm also hoping to break .500!

Now that I read EdCollins' explanation of what could have happened, I'm pretty confident that is what did happen. Last week, I accidentally posted the Over/Under Lines in the spots where the home scores are meant to go, in any event, I figured it wouldn't be a problem just to copy/paste them over to where they are supposed to be and input the Home Scores where they are supposed to go. Unfortunately, it seems that the program didn't like that very much.

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November 1st, 2013 at 6:21:56 AM permalink

I am also hoping to break .500 for a pyrrhic victory; such a big hole I dug myself!

Thanks again to Mission and EdCollins for the work on this.

If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.

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November 1st, 2013 at 6:42:35 AM permalink

I said it last year and I'll say it again...thanks to Mission for running the show. Ed for the great spreadsheet also gets big props. Way back in 2000/01 I did some light macros work. I always found it quirky...it's hard to anticipate what the end users will do. But Ed's stuff is great. So thanks again guys.

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November 1st, 2013 at 7:12:24 AM permalink

Quote: vendman1
...it's hard to anticipate what the end users will do. But Ed's stuff is great. So thanks again guys.

You're welcome, and you're free to say, "It's hard to imagine what the idiot who doesn't know what he's doing will manage to screw-up," I'm willing to accept that...lol I wouldn't know a text box from a digit box from a box of any other kind, except maybe a cardboard box.

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November 1st, 2013 at 8:27:56 AM permalink

Quote: Mission146
You're welcome, and you're free to say, "It's hard to imagine what the idiot who doesn't know what he's doing will manage to screw-up," I'm willing to accept that...lol I wouldn't know a text box from a digit box from a box of any other kind, except maybe a cardboard box.

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November 2nd, 2013 at 11:55:08 PM permalink

Greetings!

The Week 9 Picks can be found here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/4/#post285950

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 3rd, 2013 at 1:39:55 PM permalink

A future version will recognize SD as San Diego. Previous versions do not.

(JW17 entered "SD" and the program highlighted it in blue, indicating it didn't know what that team was.)

Chargers, Bolts, San Diego, and San D all work, but surprisingly, I failed to include SD.

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November 3rd, 2013 at 5:05:23 PM permalink

Quote: EdCollins
A future version will recognize SD as San Diego. Previous versions do not.

(JW17 entered "SD" and the program highlighted it in blue, indicating it didn't know what that team was.)

Chargers, Bolts, San Diego, and San D all work, but surprisingly, I failed to include SD.

4-1 so far with da Bears to go. And the one wrong pick was the only favorite I chose. I wouldn't be surprised if we all had a good week.

If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:00:23 PM permalink

3-1, but it looks like 3-2 based on the way IND/HOU is going so far. I'll take 3-2 three weeks in a row, like I said, if I can do this all year, I'll finish one over .500.

If Indy loses, I'm looking at 1-2 on Favorites and 2-0 on dogs.

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:12:48 PM permalink

After going for 2 and failing, Indy's most likely win is now a 2 point margin. That kind of sucks when the line is -2.5...

"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:28:32 PM permalink

Quote: rdw4potus
After going for 2 and failing, Indy's most likely win is now a 2 point margin. That kind of sucks when the line is -2.5...

After going for two and succeeding, Indy's most likely win is a three-point margin, because that's what they are up by with 4:xx to go! This could get good!

Maybe I will have another half-glass of Cabernet Sauvignon and finish watching this...

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:30:06 PM permalink

Ouch. That successful two-point conversion took the wind right out of me... because I have Houston. :(

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:34:21 PM permalink

Hell they punt for? Probably a better chance of converting than of getting the ball back. Not to mention the time still on the clock via converting as opposed to forcing Indy to punt. Start from the same part of the field, or worse, even if Indy does punt...but with no time.

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November 3rd, 2013 at 8:44:57 PM permalink

Sweet! I think that's a perfect week for me:-)

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November 3rd, 2013 at 9:05:46 PM permalink

Nice! 4-1 certainly doesn't break my heart, either.

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November 4th, 2013 at 5:15:17 AM permalink

Quote: rdw4potus
Sweet! I think that's a perfect week for me:-)

WTG, rdw! I haven't had one of those yet; nicely done!

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November 4th, 2013 at 1:26:52 PM permalink

Quote: EdCollins
A future version will recognize SD as San Diego. Previous versions do not.

(JW17 entered "SD" and the program highlighted it in blue, indicating it didn't know what that team was.)

Chargers, Bolts, San Diego, and San D all work, but surprisingly, I failed to include SD.

Sorry my friend, it looks like I screwed the program 2 weeks in a row, with last week I had JAX.

Oddly enough they were both losers.

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November 4th, 2013 at 4:06:31 PM permalink

Quote: JW17
Sorry my friend, it looks like I screwed the program 2 weeks in a row, with last week I had JAX.

Oddly enough they were both losers.

LOL.

Nope, it's no problem. The program highlights a team with a blue-colored font when it doesn't know what it is.

Both JAX and SD are valid entries to me... the program should know what teams those are. It's kind of fun to add that logic to the program to make it "smarter."

By the time the season is over with I figure I should have every possible abbreviation covered, so we'll be good to go for next year! I'll probably post a link to the latest version tonight.

I still smile when I think of that earlier version that saw "over 49" and thought the pick was the 49ers!

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November 4th, 2013 at 9:24:11 PM permalink

The latest version of the grading calculator, for those who want it.

http://www.edcollins.com/wov_nfl_football_contest_calculator_version_1.73.xlsm

Changes in this version:

(1) Forces data in cells to stay as a numeric field, for proper comparisons.

(2) SD is now a valid entry for the Chargers.

3) Added a new tab... a Weekly Ranking History tab!

This new tab keeps track of each player's weekly ranking. For example, just four weeks ago, at the end of Week 5, ZoomZoom8 was in 28th place. But in Week 6 he moved to 16th place, and then climbed to 9th place, and then 5th place, and is now in 3rd place! This tab keeps track of each player's rankings and each player's weekly score, at a glance.

Enjoy.

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November 5th, 2013 at 4:32:30 PM permalink

Quote: EdCollins
The latest version of the grading calculator, for those who want it.

http://www.edcollins.com/wov_nfl_football_contest_calculator_version_1.73.xlsm

Changes in this version:

(1) Forces data in cells to stay as a numeric field, for proper comparisons.

(2) SD is now a valid entry for the Chargers.

3) Added a new tab... a Weekly Ranking History tab!

This new tab keeps track of each player's weekly ranking. For example, just four weeks ago, at the end of Week 5, ZoomZoom8 was in 28th place. But in Week 6 he moved to 16th place, and then climbed to 9th place, and then 5th place, and is now in 3rd place! This tab keeps track of each player's rankings and each player's weekly score, at a glance.

Enjoy.

Ed,

I get a runtime error 75 at the end of grading. Debug points to this:Open "c:\summary_table_for_wizard_forum.txt" For Output As #1

I know nothing!

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November 5th, 2013 at 4:44:06 PM permalink

Also note that TB for Tampa Bay wasn't recognized as a legitimate pick by JW17.

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November 5th, 2013 at 4:49:25 PM permalink

Thanks. I'll look into both of these things right away.

It might be difficult to re-create that error at my end. During my testing I never saw it. Is there any chance something is up with your C:\ drive? Were you getting that same error with prior versions?

You can always disable this option, in the user options tab, (Cell D-15) so the program doesn't even make an attempt to create this summary table. For now that should get around that error.

Thanks again.

- Ed

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November 5th, 2013 at 4:55:08 PM permalink

Ouch. Apparently TB isn't a valid abbreviation for Tampa Bay in my program.

I could have sworn I included that, but I might be thinking of another NFL program of mine.

That's definitely worth including. Good eye and thanks.

But what IS wrong is that the program failed to highlight that in blue, and it should have. That's something to debug at my first opportunity.

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November 5th, 2013 at 6:22:26 PM permalink

Sports book results after week 9.

	Total bets ATS	Paid to winners	Book profit or (loss)	Total bets O/U	Paid to winners	Book profit or (loss)
Week 1	$2057	$1866	$191	$396	$462	($66)
Week 2	$2211	$1714	$497	$319	$378	($59)
Week 3	$2044	$1604	$640	$264	$210	$54
Week 4	$2123	$2090	$33	$396	$399	($3)
Week 5	$2101	$1680	$421	$308	$357	($49)
Week 6	$1969	$1869	$100	$451	$483	($32)
Week 7	$2013	$1428	$585	$363	$483	($120)
Week 8	$1826	$1386	$440	$572	$714	($142)
Week 9	$2024	$2163	($139)	$462	$588	($126)
Totals	$18368	$15800	$2768	$3531	$4074	($543)

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November 5th, 2013 at 6:51:11 PM permalink

Quote: 10DollarBri
Ed,

I get a runtime error 75 at the end of grading. Debug points to this:Open "c:\summary_table_for_wizard_forum.txt" For Output As #1

(1) Runtime error #75 is a path/file access error.

Since the statement opens the file for output, the file doesn't have to exist prior. It if does, that's okay and the contents are simply overwritten. Since I will assume you do have a C:\ drive, I suspect the file didn't get closed properly, possible the result of one of your earlier runs. If the operating system already thought the file was open, you should then get this error. Otherwise I can't imagine why you might get a runtime error of 75.

If you reboot, or delete that text file and start over, I suspect you might be okay.

(2) It turns out I WAS checking for TB... just not properly. (Bug in code.) This is fixed for a future version. For now, all TBs will have to be changed manually to Tampa Bay or Tampa or Tam or Buccaneers or Bucs, etc.

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November 5th, 2013 at 6:58:54 PM permalink

Ed

I looked for that txt. file on my c drive and didn't find it. I just selected no on the option as you suggested and problem solved. Thanks.

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November 5th, 2013 at 7:03:14 PM permalink

Quote: 10DollarBri
Ed

I looked for that txt. file on my c drive and didn't find it. I just selected no on the option as you suggested and problem solved. Thanks.

No problem. Another possibility is that the root folder of your C:\ drive is write-protected. If so, the program wouldn't have authorization to create a text file there and that would probably also produce that message.

Thanks. NO should be the default setting anyway.

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November 6th, 2013 at 8:45:38 PM permalink

Greetings!

The updated Week 9 Standings have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/4/#post287148

The results are in the post above.

1.) Great week last week going 103-71 for .592 and Confidence Picks went 14-12 for .538. Overall, we went 117-83 for .585.

2.) That improves our overall for Regular Picks to 733-831 for .469 and Confidence Picks to 86-109 for .441. Our new overall record is 819-940 for .466, so things are looking much better!

3.) The Lines for Week 10 will be posted shortly, happy variance!

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November 6th, 2013 at 8:53:42 PM permalink

Greetings!

The Week 10 Lines have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/4/#post287153

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:12:27 PM permalink

I did not see a line for the Thursday night Vikings game. I may be interested on throwing a couple $ on that game since Ill be in vegas by noon tomorrow.

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:14:38 PM permalink

Quote: hagen49
I did not see a line for the Thursday night Vikings game. I may be interested on throwing a couple $ on that game since Ill be in vegas by noon tomorrow.

11/07 8:25 PM
107 Washington
108 Minnesota
-2½ -10
48½u-10
-2½ -10
50u-10
-2½ -10
49½u-10
-2½ -10
50u-10
-2½ -10
50u-10
-2½ -10
50½u-10

EDIT: That didn't paste worth a darn, but here's the link:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
-2½ -10
50u-10
-2½ -10
50u-10
-2½ -20
50½u-10

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:42:13 PM permalink

Quote: hagen49
I did not see a line for the Thursday night Vikings game. I may be interested on throwing a couple $ on that game since Ill be in vegas by noon tomorrow.

The Thursday games are not eligible for this contest, so the lines are usually not posted here. Good Luck in Vegas!

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:42:45 PM permalink

^^

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3.) Sunday/Monday games will be the only games considered. Every player must pick exactly five winners against the Spread, exactly five Over/Unders, or a combination totalling exactly five.

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November 7th, 2013 at 7:48:06 AM permalink

Greetings!

Minor F-Up, Seattle is -6 not +6, correction made, PM's to anyone who made the Pick.

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November 7th, 2013 at 9:15:27 AM permalink

I am in absolute freefall mode without a parachute, thank God the Wizard didn't take me up on my offer.

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November 9th, 2013 at 11:10:19 PM permalink

Greetings!

The Week 10 Picks have been posted:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/14893-wov-picks-game-2013-official-thread/5/#post288033

For now, I'm skipping, but I reserve the right to change my mind within two hours. Have to look through and see if there are any weeks in which I like the matchups even less...

EDIT: Okay, playing. All dogs. I hate doing that, but there are no favorites I really like this week.

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November 10th, 2013 at 12:51:14 AM permalink

(1) My grading program didn't like Vendman's "SF over 43 confidence" pick. It didn't know what "SF" was. (Really? Up until now no one has entered the 49ers as "SF?" Wow, that's interesting.) Like I said before, by the time the season is over, we should have every abbreviation covered for next year.

Fixed in version 1.84. SF is now valid for San Francisco.

(2) The program had a problem with Ten2Win's "49er's" pick, with that apostrophe. Fixed in 1.84. 49er's, with or without an apostrophe, is now valid.

(3) Version 1.73, with the new Weekly Ranking History tab code, crashed. Fixed in 1.84.

If you cut and paste Mission's picks for Week 10 into the program, you might notice an extra blank line after KeyerSoze's name. You can clean this up if you want to, but all versions of the program handle this extra blank line fine.

Version 1.84 is here: http://www.edcollins.com/wov_nfl_football_contest_calculator_version_1.84.xlsm

If you're using a version PRIOR to 1.73, you can just edit Vendman and Ten2Win's 49ers pick as mentioned above. If you're using version 1.73, you will want the latest version to avoid that crash.

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November 10th, 2013 at 1:57:51 PM permalink

So my plan was to stay at close to 500 for the first 8 or 9 weeks. Then with half the season over, new coaches settled in, players more defined etc. I would be in a position to actually handicap based on past performances this year and not last.

Week 9 I was 22 ans 22, close enough to 500 for me as Math is not my long suit.

And week 10 Oh My. A mere 5 and 0 !

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November 10th, 2013 at 2:11:06 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
So my plan was to stay at close to 500 for the first 8 or 9 weeks. Then with half the season over, new coaches settled in, players more defined etc. I would be in a position to actually handicap based on past performances this year and not last.

Week 9 I was 22 ans 22, close enough to 500 for me as Math is not my long suit.

And week 10 Oh My. A mere 5 and 0 !

Very nice, Buzz....I was 5-0 with :40 to go: Detroit won but missed the spread by .5 when Chicago scored. Still, pretty happy with the results, though I didn't catch up to you any; Dallas to go tonight.

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November 10th, 2013 at 2:13:47 PM permalink

Guess who had Chicago, darling ?

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November 10th, 2013 at 2:14:22 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
Guess who had Chicago, darling ?

Buzz,

Were you a wound-picker as a child?

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November 10th, 2013 at 2:17:24 PM permalink

This from the childhood sweetheart who broke my heart !

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November 12th, 2013 at 11:10:58 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
Guess who had Chicago, darling ?

Thrpp. I half wanted over time. Then I wised up and wanted a guaranteed win for the Lions. Maybe I should stop picking them :)

Though I got Lions at -1 on Bodog before kick off (went 3-0 with real money this week, which is always nice).

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November 13th, 2013 at 2:01:54 PM permalink

I saw Bobby Lane playing for Detroit.

In 1958, the Lions traded Layne to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Layne responded to the trade by supposedly saying that the Lions would "not win for 50 years". For the next 50 years the Lions had the worst winning percentage in the NFL.

And have not been to the Superbowl.

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November 13th, 2013 at 3:27:42 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
I saw Bobby Lane playing for Detroit.

In 1958, the Lions traded Layne to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Layne responded to the trade by supposedly saying that the Lions would "not win for 50 years". For the next 50 years the Lions had the worst winning percentage in the NFL.

And have not been to the Superbowl.

You think I don't know this? You think I've not seen the ONLY win in the play offs the Lions have ever had in the post Superbowl era? You don't need to tell me about the Paper Lions, Buzz.... (a grin and a scowl).

Also, do you know which High School Bobby Lane went to? And why it's significant? I do :)

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

EdCollins

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November 13th, 2013 at 3:47:19 PM permalink

If you guys saw Bobby Lane play, you're one up on me.

I was born in Detroit and then soon after our family moved to a small town in northern lower Michigan. I grew up watching the Lions play, but Greg Landry was the first Lions quarterback I remember.

Greg Landry, Steve Owens, Charlie Brown, Herman Weaver, Mel Farr, Lem Barney, Altie Taylor and Chuck Hughes are some of the Lions I remember. I still have football playing cards of some of these players. Some of these players I saw in person when they attended a charity basketball game in our town. I have some of their autographs on the brochure.

I also remember watching the game where Chuck Hughes died on the field. I remember cutting out all of the newspaper clippings from the newspapers about his death.

Buzzard