40487
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October 17th, 2010 at 9:39:27 AM permalink
641 hands of hold'em dealt to me with a total of 79 pocket aces. Only had 4 aces dealt in flop out of the 641 hands when i had a ace in pocket. 171 aces where dealt in flop when i didn't have a pocket ace...Is this strange? And whats the odds on two players getting a flush in the same hand with the same suit, . One was a ace high flush, and the other was a str8 flush .
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Wizard
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October 17th, 2010 at 10:53:53 AM permalink
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641 hands of hold'em dealt to me with a total of 79 pocket aces. Only had 4 aces dealt in flop out of the 641 hands when i had a ace in pocket. 171 aces where dealt in flop when i didn't have a pocket ace...Is this strange? And whats the odds on two players getting a flush in the same hand with the same suit suit, . One was a ace high flush, and the other was a str8 flush .

Do you mean 79 pairs of aces, or 79 single aces? If the former, the odds would be astronomical.
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boymimbo
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October 17th, 2010 at 11:04:21 AM permalink
79 Pocket PAIRS of Aces in 641? Given that the odds of being dealt pocket Aces at a full table is about 4/52 * 3/42 = 182 to 1, you should only get dealt pocket aces 4 times.
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Wizard
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October 17th, 2010 at 11:17:54 AM permalink
I think he means single aces. You can expect 98.6 aces in your hole cards in 641 hands (641*2/13). I show the probability of getting 79 or less is about 1 in 50.
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40487
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October 17th, 2010 at 4:37:41 PM permalink
dealt one ace in pocket 79 times.Out of 641 hands . Also only 4 times was a ace dealt on the board, when i had a pocket ace..SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
And i counted 171 times a ace was dealt in board out of the 641 hands. When I didn't have a pocket ace.

Also another first for me.....Myself , and another player both had a flush of the same suit in the same hand. Mine was a ace high flush, that was
completed using the turn card. He's was a str8 flush completed at the river. I started with pocket suits, and he had off suits in pocket.
I can't remember the size of the str8 flush. or all the number suit cards involed. But my question is. Has this happen to anyone else before?
I've seen a str8 flush, and a ace high flush in the same hand before, but 2 different suits were used. And it was in seven card stud poker .
Not hold'em..... Thank you........
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RaleighCraps
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October 17th, 2010 at 5:35:17 PM permalink
Quote: 40487

dealt one ace in pocket 79 times.Out of 641 hands . Also only 4 times was a ace dealt on the board, when i had a pocket ace..SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
And i counted 171 times a ace was dealt in board out of the 641 hands. When I didn't have a pocket ace.

Also another first for me.....Myself , and another player both had a flush of the same suit in the same hand. Mine was a ace high flush, that was
completed using the turn card. He's was a str8 flush completed at the river. I started with pocket suits, and he had off suits in pocket.
I can't remember the size of the str8 flush. or all the number suit cards involed. But my question is. Has this happen to anyone else before?
I've seen a str8 flush, and a ace high flush in the same hand before, but 2 different suits were used. And it was in seven card stud poker .
Not hold'em..... Thank you........

I play at (sounds like Hoyle's Room). I have never put a dime in, but I used to play all the freerolls to win pennies. Through freerolls and \$.01/\$.02 ring games I was able to build up to \$50. I lost my last \$25 on the exact thing you describe here. I had the nut flush and pushed all in after the turn, only to have my opponent catch the str8 flush with the turn and river cards. He was a maniac player, so he was calling whether he had put me on a hand or not. IMO, online play at low stakes is pure lottery play. People win with crap cards way too often
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JB
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October 17th, 2010 at 7:31:27 PM permalink
If you have pocket Kings, and the other guy has Ace-rag, then an Ace will flop 100% of the time.

Okay, that was tongue-in-cheek, but seriously. Poker is an extremely volatile game. I myself gave up on poker a month or two ago because I finally realized that the only time I was "doing well" was when the cards were going my way; the other 98% of the time I was just being punished for playing correctly. For example, I was once dealt pocket 8's and tried to see the flop for cheap in the hopes of hitting a set, but there were 3 others raising and re-raising and re-raising, so I assumed I was already beat and folded. Naturally, the flop brought the other two 8's. The other guys had AK suited and K9 offsuit (the 3rd guy folded after the flop).

You should seriously consider the possibility that you are not a world-class poker player. It's not an easy thing to admit to oneself, but it may be time to pick a different hobby.
Elrohir44
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October 17th, 2010 at 8:33:19 PM permalink
Sorry to flame here, but 641 hands is meaningless. Try getting to 30,000 hands and then try to decide if the online poker room has decided to single you out to make you lose. I have gone through many stretches where I seem to hit every flop I play, and many stretches where I can't hit my AK hands to save my life. As was said before, poker has a lot of variance to it. This is especially true when a player is not particularly skilled/experienced (no offense, but judging by your word usage and lack of normal poker lingo, I am assuming that you do not have a lot of experience and do not frequent poker forums/read books on the subject).

Just out of curiosity, how did you get the data on these hands? Did you use Poker Tracker or just request your hand history and count it all? If you are serious about playing poker I highly recommend downloading tracking software. The two top ones are Poker Tracker and Holdem Manager. Both offer generous free trial periods. These programs track EVERY move you AND your opponents make. It is usefule for keeping track of your results and analyzing your play to find leaks (mistakes).

As far as the flush-over-flush situation, this will happen to everyone many times over their poker career. Coolers are just another unpleasant (or very pleasant, depending on which seat you are in) reality in poker. I have held a straight flush against another player's higher flush in a live game before, but I have probably seen only 20-30 straight flushes, including royals, in the six years I have been playing. I have probably played 100k-150k hands in my life, including both online and live, so it is very rare to see if you are only playing one table. Also, in hold'em there can only be flushes in one suit on any given hand since each player shares five of their seven cards. In order to have two different suited flushes there would have to be ten cards being used between the two players.

Always rememeber that poker should be evaluated over the extremely long term. 10,000 hands is NOT long term, let alone 641. I have played that many hands in 45 minutes before. I guarantee that you will never become a winning, or even break-even player without intense study of the game and review of your play. Simply knowing which hands you should play preflop isn't nearly enough. Charts and statistical analyses of which hand is better than another are useless as far as playing good poker goes. You need to search through poker forums and discuss hands and situations that confuse you. I could name two forums right now but not sure if I am supposed to on here. No offense to the Wizard (i love your sites!), but this is not a poker forum, despite the sections name. It is a good place to talk about the math of the game but I have never seen a sophisticated discussion of poker strategy on here. WOO and WOV are meant for other forms of gambling. Poker is an entirely different animal than any other game in the casino. Good luck to you and feel free to ask me any questions on the subject (and sorry for my wordiness!).
40487
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October 18th, 2010 at 4:56:27 AM permalink
Back at you flamer...641 is where I finally got p!ss off enough to do a quick count. Yes it was over hand history thats provide by the poker site.
I have been playing poker since I was in 3rd grade. Playing pennie ante with my uncle, and cousins.
I started off playing 5 card draw, and 7 card stud. Then poker game like Dr. pepper, Hi, or low Chicago, Mexican sweat, Jacks or better progressive,
5 card draw one eyed jacks are wild, Even know to play with a joker in the deck as a wild card. I admit that i didn't start playing
hold'em until the late 90's. And i had never read a book about poker, and knowing the lastest made up term by online poker sites to describe
that last hand you played and lost with quads. Is just a bad beat. Half of the terms used today that describes players styles, and poker situations
are to easy players in to believe a poker site, or a player knows what the_____his talking about.

And if it took me 30,000 hands played to recognize if I was someone's huckleberry. I would start reading those poker books. Keep it simplistic
as possible.

Without being dramatic the reason for the post (641). Is that I've been unable to play in alot of live tables . Even though I live in Oklahoma
where there's a Native American casinos every 30 miles on the interstate, and I live 15 minutes from Riverwind casino. Because of medical reasons
I can handle only a couple of hours. For a couple days a week at a casino. I did very well at the casinos tables, and could play for several
hours at my own pace. Now I've been trying to win as much as i did before in just a couple hours. And have had mixed results.

Thats what has brought me to the online poker sites . And the first month playing online I was winning at a high percentage . Untill I withdrawed
some of my winnings. Since then I have been stuck at the same amount for a month. And will when alot of little pots, and lose bigger ones on river.
I've noticed some mathematical poker improbabilities. I've find that online poker likes to deal 2 cards the most on river. The ace, and king
are dealt more then the other 11 cards at the river. Online winning hands are completed more after the turn card. And at live tables it's after
the flop the winning hand is made, and it gets stronger towards the river. Not the underhand that gets stronger on the turn, and river.

And maybe, cause this is pure speculation on my part , but the Ace, King, Queen, Jack, and Ten cards
thats a total of 20 cards are dealt more by % as board cards . Then 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 thats a total of 32 cards. Also flops seem to have more
emphasis to help players with flushes, and str8s. A player online with a two pair hand is more rare then a player with a str8, or flush hand .
And a player in a tounment online that's down to last chips that goes all in. Is very hard to beat. They keep winning with 4 card draws or with a
higher kicker card. And will have a tounment player with a simplistic poker repertoire. He will bluff on any strong flop, and will pre-raise with
just a A-6 off suit pocket. And will always pre-raise on the smallest chip holder on the blinds. And theirs that random dealer software that dealt
me a number 8 card in my pocket for eight hands in a row, and almost the same with 10 card, but it was dealt to me, in pocket 6 out of 7 hands
in a row. And have been dealt 2-7 four times in a row. Now if it can deal me a 8 card in a row for eight hands. Can't it deal another player a ace
eight times or more in a row?

And I'm not for sure why your telling me about their can be only one flush per suit in a hold'em hand for. But thanks for that advise. I'll try to
spread the word. Keep the tips coming.......I do understand alot of people on message boards aren't good players, or don't have very good
poker skills. Thats the reason their on here to learn the games. But it is somewhat arkward for a more experence player to be willing to ask
questions and draw attention to what is to me a difficult mathematical probability for hold'em . And to ignore it because of being called green,
or not a good player is what the online sites are getting out of most players with creditable agurements. They button up, and pretend it's
part of poker like the rest of the sheep online. And the really only have to show you poker playing repertoire is for you to come to oklahoma.....
To all: Sorry for the typing..
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