Due diligence

The Wiz has clearly shown that certain on line casinos were cheating their customers, of that there can be no doubt. He has warned the gambling world about the software maker which allowed these casinos to steal money from unsuspecting dupes. However, I think the admonition to not use any casino that used that particular software did not go nearly far enough. I would state that any casino that allowed that software to be used at any time to be a rogue casino. They allowed customers to be subject to a fraudulent system while, if not intentional, then clearly grossly negligent. Is anyone believing that these casinos didn't notice a ridiculous rise in their winning percentage? I can assure you if the software was working that way for the player and not the casino, it would have been noticed in hours, not weeks. I find it hard to believe that the casinos were unaware of this trickery well before the gambling community and the Wiz called them to task.

I'm with you on this, SOOPOO. At some point, casinos were profiting and winning from an unfair game. The error has been discovered, and it will be up to the casinos involved to compensate. However, given that none of these are regulated in the United States, the odds of a online casino going back retroactively and giving back players money will be slim to none.

And who knows what the algorithm was that BLR was working with or whether it was even working that way since its inception, or whether this was a rogue software update. We do know that the software was operating in its rogue fashion since May and IS working that way today.

Therefore, for online casinos to make good, they would need to have BLR's software independently tested, determine which other of its games are biased, and then refund players for all of their losses via casino credit or cash. I don't expect this to happen.

Of course, they knew. Why would BLR give them cheating software without them asking for it? What incentive could it possibly have had? And what casino owner would be stupid enough to put software in use without testing it? And how could he not notice the excessive profits?
There is simply no way they did not know.

I've occasionally used the term "green eye shade-type" for an expert in numbers and in this day and age of computers and different style of dress for accountants it is indeed going to be different to some degree, but the one fact remains: the casino personnel are in the business its their job to watch the numbers and notice when something does not ring true.

Did they know? Of course they knew. Its their job. They knew and they knew just how many dollars and cents it was.

I cannot summon any sympathy for anyone who dealt with an online casino. You got cheated - exactly what you should have expected.
Maybe you just thought you could outcheat them.

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I cannot summon any sympathy for anyone who dealt with an online casino. You got cheated - exactly what you should have expected.
Maybe you just thought you could outcheat them.

It is because of this possibility that I have never risked money at an on-line casino. I would surmise once it becomes legal in the US and is regulated, and felons like the ones exposed by the Wiz can be punished, then it will approach the safety of land based casinos.

I didn't vote. 100% is high enough for me.

Quote: dm

I didn't vote. 100% is high enough for me.

Since there seems to be no dissent from the thought that the casinos were complicit, the 'software' part of the story is less relevant. The important part is that some on-line casinos were intentionally stealing money, and were just so stupid that they were caught. Why would we not think that other on-line casinos are just adjusting the house edge so that players will think they are just on the wrong side of variance but not that far off to think something is fishy? If I were the Wiz I would put a permanent blacklist on all casinos that used the tainted software.

Not stupid, just greedy.
They probably knew eventually someone would wise up and test them, but until then they might as well rake in whatever they can. Its not as if they have anyone watching over their shoulder and about to make them put the candy bar back. Its their money now.

Refunding a few thousand to the noisy ones, is just a cost of doing business. Even if the operation were totally blacklisted, it is very easy to start up again with a new name, p.o. box and shuffled names on the owners documents. The down economy has caused many of the "sheep" to wander off. It appears that some of the ones that remain are being eaten to keep the rancher fat and happy.