What player mistake bothers you the most?
August 12th, 2023 at 6:45:05 PM
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Wasn't sure what forum to put this in but thought it could make for an interesting discussion. For the most part, I'd say the majority of this forum tries to gamble as EV+ as possible, so what player mistake do you see that just really confounds you?
For the sake of a more interesting discussion, let's leave it to a mistake made during the run of play, ie - don't say playing 6:5 blackjack when 3:2 is available or playing triple zero roulette when double zero is available.
For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
For the sake of a more interesting discussion, let's leave it to a mistake made during the run of play, ie - don't say playing 6:5 blackjack when 3:2 is available or playing triple zero roulette when double zero is available.
For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
August 12th, 2023 at 7:06:41 PM
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I don't pay much attention to how someone plays their cards. I pay attention to the cards, but not how they are played.
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August 12th, 2023 at 8:56:20 PM
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Terrible random bettors with totally random bets.
I'm gonna have to put Mr. Handpay in that category after the last $1,000 - $5,000 per hand BJ session I saw on YouTube by him.
I'm gonna have to put Mr. Handpay in that category after the last $1,000 - $5,000 per hand BJ session I saw on YouTube by him.
August 12th, 2023 at 9:11:06 PM
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Turning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.
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May the cards fall in your favor.
August 12th, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM
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Quote: DieterTurning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.
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Jesus Christ I can't agree more with this, I hate it when slots are at maximum volume, I feel like I'm suffering hearing loss if I have to play next to one, even worse if the current one is STUCK on max volume and I have no choice. It's so bad on modern video slots.
August 14th, 2023 at 3:19:29 AM
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While I don’t play blackjack much anymore, it used to make me crazy to see a player sitting there with a strategy card, consult the strategy card, find the correct play on the card, and then struggle to make a decision. Augh!
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August 14th, 2023 at 4:05:52 AM
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Not so much a mistake but players who swipe their rewards cards at the kiosk and have no clue what they are looking at.
They swipe their rewards and stare at the screen when they see nothing then click on the restaurants screen and stare at it then reswipe the rewards then swipe their address info and stare AT THAT like they don't understand what their address is.
Then they reswipe the rewards, stare at the empty screen, then swipe their points and it says zero and they stare at that.
I've seen these people spend ten minutes doing nothing but trying to contemplate a pretty easy to understand information kiosk.
They swipe their rewards and stare at the screen when they see nothing then click on the restaurants screen and stare at it then reswipe the rewards then swipe their address info and stare AT THAT like they don't understand what their address is.
Then they reswipe the rewards, stare at the empty screen, then swipe their points and it says zero and they stare at that.
I've seen these people spend ten minutes doing nothing but trying to contemplate a pretty easy to understand information kiosk.
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August 14th, 2023 at 4:51:08 AM
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I don’t care how other people play they hands. Just don’t question my play.
When I split 2’s against a dealer 7 recently at PARX, two black chip bettors shook their heads in disapproval, not realizing I now had a slight advantage over the house.
When I split 2’s against a dealer 7 recently at PARX, two black chip bettors shook their heads in disapproval, not realizing I now had a slight advantage over the house.
August 14th, 2023 at 5:10:07 AM
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Not a "mistake" but anyone playing Big 6/8. I deal the game for parties and tell people that it "is the stupidest bet in the casino." I then explain the difference between 1:1 and 7:6. You would be amazed how many people do not understand what that means! Makes me wonder when you will see a BJ layout saying "BLACKJACK PAYS 1 FOR 1!"
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August 14th, 2023 at 5:52:51 AM
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Mistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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August 14th, 2023 at 6:45:33 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearWhile I don’t play blackjack much anymore, it used to make me crazy to see a player sitting there with a strategy card, consult the strategy card, find the correct play on the card, and then struggle to make a decision. Augh!
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Using a strategy card is good camouflage, especially if you ignore it occasionally.
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August 14th, 2023 at 7:49:32 AM
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Quote: darkozMistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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Devil's advocate: someone might be playing a betting/money management system that treats zeros as irrelevant. E.g. they only make even money or column bets.
August 14th, 2023 at 8:01:20 AM
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The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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August 14th, 2023 at 8:07:47 AM
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True, but when you've got a table limit double down and what the guy on third base did ends up making you lose because he didn't split 9s against a 6, or whatever he did that if he had done it by basic strategy the coming cards show that you would have won, it's enough to make you never want to play with anyone else at your table.
For whatever reason, I've never had a table limit where another player's doing the "right" thing hurt me, so, I choose to just stay away from the hoi polloi and play alone. I don't like the fact that they smoke either. And you, Ace, wouldn't appreciate the way they dress.
For whatever reason, I've never had a table limit where another player's doing the "right" thing hurt me, so, I choose to just stay away from the hoi polloi and play alone. I don't like the fact that they smoke either. And you, Ace, wouldn't appreciate the way they dress.
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August 14th, 2023 at 8:07:48 AM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkozMistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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Devil's advocate: someone might be playing a betting/money management system that treats zeros as irrelevant. E.g. they only make even money or column bets.
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Zeroes are only irrelevant if the ball never lands green.
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May the cards fall in your favor.
August 14th, 2023 at 8:09:12 AM
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For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
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A lot of people don't see 17 as a "weak hand," so that's why they stand on it. "Why would I hit when I could end up with a worse hand like 13-16, have to hit again, and then bust?" These people usually play the strategy, "always assume the dealer's down card is a ten," so if they do that, and see the dealer's up card is like a 3 or 4, they probably assume the dealer has a good chance of busting.
That's the thought process.
August 14th, 2023 at 8:11:03 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: TigerWuQuote: darkozMistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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Devil's advocate: someone might be playing a betting/money management system that treats zeros as irrelevant. E.g. they only make even money or column bets.
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Zeroes are only irrelevant if the ball never lands green.
My care team is advising me to take a pill and relax for a few hours.
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I know... mathematically they are ALWAYS relevant, but I'm saying if a "system" only tracks red and black, or even and odd, then zeros are irrelevant to that particular betting strategy.
August 14th, 2023 at 8:18:54 AM
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People who know BJ basics know that “dealer stands on soft 17” is probably the most favorable rule in a standard BJ game. These days you probably won’t see it on a table <$100 because the dealer is much better off hitting S17 than standing. So is the playerQuote: TigerWuQuote: ChicagoSkinny
For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
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A lot of people don't see 17 as a "weak hand," so that's why they stand on it. "Why would I hit when I could end up with a worse hand like 13-16, have to hit again, and then bust?" These people usually play the strategy, "always assume the dealer's down card is a ten," so if they do that, and see the dealer's up card is like a 3 or 4, they probably assume the dealer has a good chance of busting.
That's the thought process.
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It’s all about making that GTA
August 14th, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: DieterQuote: TigerWuQuote: darkozMistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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Devil's advocate: someone might be playing a betting/money management system that treats zeros as irrelevant. E.g. they only make even money or column bets.
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Zeroes are only irrelevant if the ball never lands green.
My care team is advising me to take a pill and relax for a few hours.
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I know... mathematically they are ALWAYS relevant, but I'm saying if a "system" only tracks red and black, or even and odd, then zeros are irrelevant to that particular betting strategy.
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Thank you for reminding me of another irksome mistake.
Systems that ignore the house edge.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 14th, 2023 at 8:37:25 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: TigerWuQuote: DieterQuote: TigerWuQuote: darkozMistakes we see even on this website.
In roulette just ignore the zeroes. They don't count.
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Devil's advocate: someone might be playing a betting/money management system that treats zeros as irrelevant. E.g. they only make even money or column bets.
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Zeroes are only irrelevant if the ball never lands green.
My care team is advising me to take a pill and relax for a few hours.
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I know... mathematically they are ALWAYS relevant, but I'm saying if a "system" only tracks red and black, or even and odd, then zeros are irrelevant to that particular betting strategy.
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Thank you for reminding me of another irksome mistake.
Systems that ignore the house edge.
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The house edge is always for the long term. You can avoid it by playing for the short run. Just be sure to declare your intentions
ahead of time.
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August 14th, 2023 at 8:46:55 AM
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Worse are the players that flip out when another player makes the correct BS play (like hitting a 12 vs. dealer 2)!Quote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
August 14th, 2023 at 9:24:01 AM
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ive gotten a lot of flak doubling down on soft 17/18 vs 3-6Quote: JoemanWorse are the players that flip out when another player makes the correct BS play (like hitting a 12 vs. dealer 2)!Quote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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It’s all about making that GTA
August 14th, 2023 at 9:38:08 AM
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Quote: Ace2ive gotten a lot of flak doubling down on soft 17/18 vs 3-6Quote: JoemanWorse are the players that flip out when another player makes the correct BS play (like hitting a 12 vs. dealer 2)!Quote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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I doubled down soft 18 vs. dealer six in a tournament and drew a ten. Because of my hit, the dealer drew a four-card 21 where he'd have busted if I'd stood. One good old boy went berserk and wanted to fight. Security was all over him and he got hogtied, arrested and banned from the Trop for life. The strange thing was while my play caused the table to lose, none of the players were anywhere close to making the leaderboard even had the dealer busted.
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August 14th, 2023 at 11:35:21 AM
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Player at a Mohegan Sun table was dealt a hard 17. Signals ‘Hit’. Thinking it was a joke, dealer hesitates. Are you sure? Player now verbalizes as he again signals “Hit”. Others tried to warn him, but he wasn’t interested. Bust. He hit a couple more 17’s after that and lost every one.
New dealer. Hard 17. Player signals and verbalizes “Hit”. Dealer “You’re kidding, right? Whole table responds with the player ‘No’. Bust.
New dealer. Hard 17. Player signals and verbalizes “Hit”. Dealer “You’re kidding, right? Whole table responds with the player ‘No’. Bust.
August 14th, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM
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I saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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August 14th, 2023 at 11:56:10 AM
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But why was he yelling at himself, he just got the perfect card?Quote: billryanI saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 14th, 2023 at 12:06:11 PM
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Quote: billryanI saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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Did he look like a Pacific Islander?
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August 14th, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBut why was he yelling at himself, he just got the perfect card?Quote: billryanI saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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I couldn't tell you. I try not to engage with folks over their strategies. Maybe he thought an Ace would have paid 3/2 if he'd split.
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August 14th, 2023 at 4:04:01 PM
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I look at it differently. Every time a player makes a stupid decision it means that the ‘chandelier’ is being paid for. And I didn’t have to contribute. If everyone played perfect strategy there is no way BJ would even be dealt. Same for my game of choice, Pai Gow poker.
August 14th, 2023 at 5:19:13 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBut why was he yelling at himself, he just got the perfect card?Quote: billryanI saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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Because he thought he missed out on a blackjack.
August 14th, 2023 at 5:25:13 PM
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People who sit right next to me when the whole row is empty.
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
August 14th, 2023 at 5:26:44 PM
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Also people who sit next to me when I am playing video poker, and play caveman keno with the volume on max.
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
August 14th, 2023 at 5:39:02 PM
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Hi Vegas, have you seen the Lamborghini: The Man Behind the Legend (2022) movie yet. Not bad, worth seeing!
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August 14th, 2023 at 7:19:33 PM
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Quote: MDawgHi Vegas, have you seen the Lamborghini: The Man Behind the Legend (2022) movie yet. Not bad, worth seeing!
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Not yet. I will have to check it out
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
August 14th, 2023 at 8:22:40 PM
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Really annoying are people playing penny slots who don't understand the "credits" are pennies as well.
So they see a huge win of 5200 credits and start whooping they hit a major jackpot thinking they just won $5,200!
You will be surprised how many people make that mistake usually first timers naturally.
So they see a huge win of 5200 credits and start whooping they hit a major jackpot thinking they just won $5,200!
You will be surprised how many people make that mistake usually first timers naturally.
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August 14th, 2023 at 9:04:49 PM
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Trump Plaza used to have five-cent Triple Diamond three reelers. I hit my first Triple Jackpot. I'm pretty sure it paid $60.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
August 14th, 2023 at 11:48:09 PM
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That's so annoying. Especially when I'm playing two machines and someone seems to want that 2nd machine, meanwhile, there are 4+ other open that are exactly the same. A few times I have just cased out and let them play it knowing they will probably lose their $20 fast and leave.Quote: vegasPeople who sit right next to me when the whole row is empty.
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Of course, there have been situations where Im targeting a specific machine for whatever reason and someone is sitting peacefully alone next to it. I always ask, do you mind, followed up with an apology and explanation that this is the only like machine available.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 15th, 2023 at 12:20:17 AM
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I did when it first came out. I enjoyed it, The Lamborghini Countach has always been my favorite car of all time.Quote: MDawgHi Vegas, have you seen the Lamborghini: The Man Behind the Legend (2022) movie yet. Not bad, worth seeing!
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My Dad(who is a retired journeyman mechanic and car "expert") talked me out of buying a Delorian that Don Laughlin had on display. IIRC it was 13k at the time. I had cash on hand and was ready to buy. My Dad, "What are you using it for?" Me, "A Daily Driver."
My Dad, "Where the hell are you going to find parts for it, and what do you think that's going to cost you, you haven't any idea how long in between repairs...I bet none of those mechanics even know how to properly work on something like that, I probably wouldn't touch one myself. You already have that problem, Porsche, it's nice, but you keep dumping money into it."
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 15th, 2023 at 2:36:36 AM
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Quote: billryanI saw a guy hit two tens. When he indicated to hit, the dealer asked if he meant to split them. He insisted on a hit and got an Ace. Then he yelled at himself for not listening to the dealer and splitting them.
Just another night at the El Cortez.
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I wonder if he is the same guy was shooting at a craps table I was at. Three come out 7s in a row.
So says.......
NEW DICE!
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August 15th, 2023 at 2:56:04 AM
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People who say “same dice” after they roll off the table. As if it makes a difference
It’s all about making that GTA
August 15th, 2023 at 3:00:57 AM
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When I’m playing don’t pass and I make another DP bet for the dealers
Dealer says “well thanks, so I guess I root for us to lose”
???
Dealer says “well thanks, so I guess I root for us to lose”
???
It’s all about making that GTA
August 15th, 2023 at 3:00:57 AM
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Duplicate
It’s all about making that GTA
August 15th, 2023 at 3:04:47 AM
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Shooter at the Venetian who kept demanding 'New Dice' after every five rolls.
August 15th, 2023 at 4:50:15 AM
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Years ago, I was playing at a table where the shooter would take 20 seconds or so to meticulously set the dice. Then, he would grab them, shake them up, and fling them down the table!
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
August 15th, 2023 at 8:58:50 PM
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Quote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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I am so happy to see someone else say this. The Basic Strategy Police make blackjack almost as unplayable as 6:5 does.
August 16th, 2023 at 4:50:23 AM
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there is something with the way the brain works that leads to thisQuote: ChicagoSkinnyQuote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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I am so happy to see someone else say this. The Basic Strategy Police make blackjack almost as unplayable as 6:5 does.
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deal out a poker hand and miss a player, mistake being caught while no cards have been turned up
out of 7 players, say, there might be one who says 'oh just deal him the next card' even though that would not have been the card he would have gotten in a proper deal. The rest get busy trying to figure out what what order the cards came out, and start scooting their cards around to try to make sure it was exactly the way it would have been if there was no error
down there in the lizard brain there is a voice that says " what the gods have put together let no man put asunder”
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 16th, 2023 at 6:25:00 AM
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similar to how the brain works with gambler’s fallacy.Quote: odiousgambitthere is something with the way the brain works that leads to thisQuote: ChicagoSkinnyQuote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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I am so happy to see someone else say this. The Basic Strategy Police make blackjack almost as unplayable as 6:5 does.
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deal out a poker hand and miss a player, mistake being caught while no cards have been turned up
out of 7 players, say, there might be one who says 'oh just deal him the next card' even though that would not have been the card he would have gotten in a proper deal. The rest get busy trying to figure out what what order the cards came out, and start scooting their cards around to try to make sure it was exactly the way it would have been if there was no error
down there in the lizard brain there is a voice that says " what the gods have put together let no man put asunder”
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The last ten roulette spins have been red, so the next one just has to be black
It’s all about making that GTA
August 16th, 2023 at 7:04:48 AM
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Thats silly. Everyone knows you bet with the streak, not against it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
August 26th, 2023 at 10:46:46 AM
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Shooter quitting in the middle of a hot roll.
Last Monday evening at the Hollywood in PA.
Shooter had the dice for thirty-five minutes. At least fifty rolls no seven. Players were collecting chips on every roll. Including the dealers. He bet six across for them. Then he announces, ‘Pass the Dice’. ‘Take down my bets. I gotta catch the Ravens.’ ‘Pass line bet is for the dealers.’ ‘At least finish the hand’. ’No, gotta go.’ New shooter sevens out two rolls later.
Last Monday evening at the Hollywood in PA.
Shooter had the dice for thirty-five minutes. At least fifty rolls no seven. Players were collecting chips on every roll. Including the dealers. He bet six across for them. Then he announces, ‘Pass the Dice’. ‘Take down my bets. I gotta catch the Ravens.’ ‘Pass line bet is for the dealers.’ ‘At least finish the hand’. ’No, gotta go.’ New shooter sevens out two rolls later.
August 26th, 2023 at 11:33:41 AM
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Quote: TankoShooter quitting in the middle of a hot roll.
Last Monday evening at the Hollywood in PA.
Shooter had the dice for thirty-five minutes. At least fifty rolls no seven. Players were collecting chips on every roll. Including the dealers. He bet six across for them. Then he announces, ‘Pass the Dice’. ‘Take down my bets. I gotta catch the Ravens.’ ‘Pass line bet is for the dealers.’ ‘At least finish the hand’. ’No, gotta go.’ New shooter sevens out two rolls later.
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That mistake is believing the shooter was directly responsible for the run and it would have kept going.
I would argue the hot shooter did the smart thing. He got out right before that seven got thrown
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