What fun is playing the Darkside?

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May 28th, 2012 at 6:05:12 PM permalink
100xOdds
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for me, the fun for playing the Rightside is pressing the bets.

but w/Dark, you cant do that. Once a 7 comes, you win but all the bets are taken down. There's no riding the Hot Roll.

So what do you find fun in playing the Darkside?
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May 28th, 2012 at 6:33:16 PM permalink
dwheatley
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The 7-out jackpot.
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May 28th, 2012 at 6:40:09 PM permalink
FleaStiff
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Fun?
If I walk away from the table with more money than I had when I started, it was fun.

Darkside? Once I'm past that Come Out roll, I'm the one betting on the number that is MOST likely to be rolled.
May 28th, 2012 at 6:43:00 PM permalink
7craps
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comes later
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May 28th, 2012 at 7:08:06 PM permalink
SanchoPanza
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Quote: 100xOdds
So what do you find fun in playing the Darkside?

Coloring up fairly consistently. Sure beats losing your stack consistently.
May 28th, 2012 at 7:47:47 PM permalink
CrapsForever
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The Darkside is the "right side" for consistent winning in Craps. At least that's what most craps players that I have met in the casino through the years have told me. I HATE playing the Don'ts which can explain my empty wallets on most craps sessions.

My one advice to Don't players. Don't touch the dice! The craps gods are very satirical and love to have Don't players go on long runs with the dice. One of my most consistent winning strategies through the years is to bet on the Pass Line whenever a Don't shooter is shooting the dice from the "Don't Pass Line". The most points I have ever made is 8 points....all shooting from the "Don'ts"!
I did place the Point number also so I did not complain :-)

Don't Pass Line "Strategies"

1) The best advice I have received about "Don't Pass Betting" is to Flat Bet. Bet the same amount against every shooter regardless of the point (4,5,6,8,9,10)

2) Do not let one "hot shooter" kill your bankroll. If a player makes two points in a row...don't bet again until he/she sevens out.

3) Craps is heavy on variance. Enjoy the ride when everybody 7's out all day. When the table gets "hot", leave!

4) Don't play on "choppy" tables...everybody loses!
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May 29th, 2012 at 12:50:50 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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I like to play the dark side when I am the only one at the table at the start
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May 29th, 2012 at 1:58:03 AM permalink
QuadDeuces
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Quote: CrapsForever

2) Do not let one "hot shooter" kill your bankroll. If a player makes two points in a row...don't bet again until he/she sevens out.


Please help me understand. "Two points" seems arbitrary.

Why not three points? Why not "don't bet the dark side before three consecutive point-sevens?"

I just want to understand the mathematical advantage to such a strategy.
May 29th, 2012 at 2:29:59 AM permalink
Paigowdan
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Quote: FleaStiff
Fun?
If I walk away from the table with more money than I had when I started, it was fun.

Darkside? Once I'm past that Come Out roll, I'm the one betting on the number that is MOST likely to be rolled.


And the problem is??
Sounds like a winner to me.
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May 29th, 2012 at 3:54:38 AM permalink
CrapsForever
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Quote: QuadDeuces
Please help me understand. "Two points" seems arbitrary.

Why not three points? Why not "don't bet the dark side before three consecutive point-sevens?"

I just want to understand the mathematical advantage to such a strategy.


There is no Mathematical formula to it; it is arbitrary. You have to decide when a "streak" begins and avoid getting burned by it. I think streaks start at 2 based on my craps experience. Some "Darkside" players will not bet against someone who hits a 7/11 on a Comeout roll.

When I see "Don't players" go bankrupt (Very rarely); it's due to stubbornness. Craps is "random" but most of the time there is only one "hot" shooter on a craps table if there is one at all. If you can avoid losing your entire bankroll to that "hot" shooter; you will do well. Everybody has their criteria of "hot" shooter.

Some people like a shooter who will hits multiple points; I prefer a "hot shooter" who repeats the same number over and over again. When I am "hot"; I hit 4's, 10's and hardways all day!

Playing the Don'ts properly takes a lot of patience. Can you stand there and watch a player hit 7 consecutive points without betting against him? In my opinion; the Casino's biggest strength is convincing us that "Craps is Random". Everybody is unique...people go on "runs". Avoid the "hot/lucky" shooter and make your money playing the Don'ts. I don't like playing the Don'ts because I LOVE the social aspect and comaraderie on a craps table among "right-side", Pass Line players.

I know a craps player in Florida who did not make a SINGLE point in 3 months of craps play (10+) sessions that I personally saw earlier this year. I decided to play the Don'ts against him (even though I HATE playing the Don'ts). The dark side players on the casino boat welcomed me to their side. He hit his first point and I "knew" right away things would be different. He had not hit a point in 10 sessions that I witnessed...now he hits a point...I am not betting against this guy! I switched to the Pass Line, Don't players kept on betting heavy against him and lost BIG when he went on a ridiculous run of points.

My advice to Don't Players;

1) Define your definition of "hot" shooters and avoid them. Don't lose your bankroll on one shooter.

2) Avoid getting killed on the Comeout Rolls. I have seen too many sessions where people have hit multiple 7's/11's on the Comeout rolls and destroyed players betting heavy on the Don't pass line.

3) If you notice a player hitting lots of 7's on the Comeout roll; lay all the #'s and get PAID; I'm working on adding this to my Craps "strategy". There is always a run of 4-5 consecutive 7's/11's on the Comeout roll; Laying all the #'s will get you paid! Also an 11 on the Comeout roll (Puck is off) does not affect your lay bets.

4) Playing the Don'ts is a marathon, not a sprint; make sure you have the patience and personality for it.

5) Do not hedge; that usually starts a bad precedent, then you might go crazy making too many hedge bets. Laying the 4's and 10's and hedging with the Hard 4 and Hard 10 is not a winning formula.

6) You are either a Pass Line Bettor or Don't Pass Line Bettor. Very few people know how to be both. Trying to flip-flop is a recipe for disaster most of the time!

7) Have a huge bankroll; playing the Don'ts takes a bankroll double the size of a Pass Line Bettor.

8) Avoid excessive celebrations. Craps is a social game. Playing the Don'ts makes you a target of some right side players.




In reference to Don't Pass Line #3, this is a game changer!

In reference to Don't Pass Line #5, I tried "laying the point" my last craps session especially against the 4 & 10 with the Hard 4 & Hard 10. I have never seen so many 3/1's and 6/4's in my life! I "layed" against the point 15 times (Documented) and did not win a single point. Either the player hit the point or hit lots of place #'s (getting me scared) so I picked up my "lay" bet. You already know what happens most of the time you pick up a "lay" bet; SEVEN!


In reference to Don't Pass Line #8, Personally I LOVE playing against Don't players who celebrate too much. Gives me extra motivation to make the point and "Take down the Don'ts"


*Please understand that these are only my opinions. I do not play the Don'ts on a regular basis so Don't players should have much better advice compared to me based on what they see on craps tables through the years.
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
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