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October 28th, 2011 at 8:50:18 AM permalink
clempops4
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I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.
October 28th, 2011 at 9:06:13 AM permalink
rdw4potus
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Quote: clempops4
I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.


You won 25% of your decisions? In 3200 trials, that's not even improbable let alone impossible.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:27:25 AM permalink
iwannaiguana
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depends on what bets you're making
October 28th, 2011 at 9:36:06 AM permalink
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Quote: clempops4
I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.


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October 28th, 2011 at 9:49:55 AM permalink
DorothyGale
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Quote: clempops4
I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.
When you say you won 843 and lost 2347 decisions, won and lost what? What is the decision you are winning and losing? Are you making pass line bets? Come bets? Proposition bets? A mixture? You are giving no useful information ...

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October 28th, 2011 at 10:00:39 AM permalink
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Quote: DorothyGale
When you say you won 843 and lost 2347 decisions, won and lost what? What is the decision you are winning and losing? Are you making pass line bets? Come bets? Proposition bets? A mixture? You are giving no useful information ...


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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October 28th, 2011 at 10:05:39 AM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Impossible 843 of 3200 wins

That's far from impossible...
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:04:47 PM permalink
CrystalMath
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If it is pass line bets, I would say it's damn near impossible.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:11:35 PM permalink
dwheatley
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I agree. That is way off the charts for the pass/DP lines. Now, if there are other bets mixed in there, the results are meaningless.

But if that is pass line resolutions, the OP has a reason to be concerned.

The #s break excel's binomdist() function. Even 85 successes (or worse) in 320 trials is in the range of e-17. I estimate the actual results are on the order of e-150.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:11:49 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: CrystalMath
If it is pass line bets, I would say it's damn near impossible.


Agreed, of course.
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