misterbee
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April 15th, 2017 at 11:43:18 AM permalink
Hey all,

If you're playing something like \$44 or \$66 inside, placing the 5-6-8-9, hoping to cash in on a lengthy roll is there any reason NOT to slowly convert the place bets to come bets? I see bettors do this all the time and try to ride a long roll, pressing their place bets, but wouldn't it be better if they placed a come bet and then took odds? The payouts are better, but I see people just staying with place bets. Am I missing something?
RS
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April 15th, 2017 at 12:18:12 PM permalink
You have the flexibility of choosing your own numbers if you do place bets. As well as choosing how much to press it to.
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WatchMeWin
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April 15th, 2017 at 12:28:53 PM permalink
Quote: misterbee

Hey all,

If you're playing something like \$44 or \$66 inside, placing the 5-6-8-9, hoping to cash in on a lengthy roll is there any reason NOT to slowly convert the place bets to come bets? I see bettors do this all the time and try to ride a long roll, pressing their place bets, but wouldn't it be better if they placed a come bet and then took odds? The payouts are better, but I see people just staying with place bets. Am I missing something?

Typically you are either placing the box numbers (4,5,6,8,9,10) or you are playing the come, then backing up with odds. I haven't seen many people play both ways. You can take your place bets off/down at anytime if you like. The come bet has to stay.

If you are looking to cash in on a lengthy roll, no matter how you play, you need the shooter to roll a sh^% load of numbers. If they do, then you will win regardless of how you play it. The question is how much will you win one way vs the other. If you are committed to going for it and you just keep pressing the box numbers that hit, you can make a small fortune on a 'hopeful long roll', which are very few a far between.

If and when I decide to 'go for that long roll', which I rarely do, as Im a believer in 'hit n run' and chipping away.... but sometimes I will take a portion of my winnings for playing the boxes (only a few numbers), then I will go to a minimum bet and free roll the hell out of it knowing that if they 7 out, I am still ahead. For example... take 50 a number 4,5,6,8,9,10, which comes to 320 across. Hit three boxes which comes to roughly 210 or more depending upon whether a 4 or 10 are made which increases the profit a bit. After you made your 200 plus profit, take your bets down to 10 bucks a number or 64 across.... now you are playing with house money and you cannot lose but you have a huge upside if you power press.
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DJTeddyBear
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April 16th, 2017 at 11:12:03 AM permalink
Quote: RS

You have the flexibility of choosing your own numbers if you do place bets. As well as choosing how much to press it to.

You also have the flexibility with the starting amount.

I.E.: A \$12 place on 6/8 is the same as a \$2 Put with \$10 odds. Except you're not gonna find many (or any!) \$2 tables...
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misterbee
Joined: Mar 15, 2016
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April 16th, 2017 at 12:24:00 PM permalink
so flexibility seems to be the big advantage. thanks for the replies!
GWAE
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April 16th, 2017 at 1:46:59 PM permalink
I didn't read everything but I have often time tried to explain to place bettors that if you are doing 66 across then you should absolutely have a \$5 come bet then take 10 odds as they convert and more odds allowed if you like to press.
ThenWhatHappens
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April 16th, 2017 at 2:52:59 PM permalink
I can see the merits of placing the 6 and 8 when you are going to play contract points.

Playing only three points at \$10-3/4/5 odds, your fully loaded action ranges \$130-170.
Adding Place bets for the 6 and 8 at two-units each gives us the following:
Converting two place hit payouts to odds reduces your outlay by \$28. Ranging \$132-142.
Converting one place bet, 6 or 8, reduces outlay by \$2. Ranging \$138-158.
Converting none before setting three points adds \$24. Ranging \$154-164.

Using average values for three points with odds (and no place bets,) we see that upon making one point your spread of \$150 drops to \$100 and you cover another \$10 with a new Come bet. This leaves \$90 of your outlay "at risk" which is equal to what was collected from winning one point. In other words you have restored your bankroll (+/-) to the last PL come out roll. By setting another point with odds on the following roll, your average "at risk" amount is now \$60.

Those of us who play only three contract points know there are times when the dice play hopscotch with your bets, made all the more likely when you have landed on the bookends (4/10.) Having the place betswhen this happens means you will have action on four or five boxes.

Adding place bets means earlier action so a 1.7 roll hurts more but (as shown above,) your outlay for three points doesn't change appreciably.
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