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WatchMeWin
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April 1st, 2017 at 8:54:04 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

As a darksider, that can foul you up short-term, I swear there are times the House wins against both sides without involving a disfavorable distribution of the 12. But long term it would have to take an invisible demon there at the table, to distribute an extra allotment of 7s on the come-out, and a shortage of 7-outs, at a time when there is an over-allotment of 7s generally.

Of course, it's hard to miss the fact that plenty of 7s on the come-out with a shortage of 7-outs is favoring the right-siders. I don't think you can really construct a scenario where [edit] long-term over more than just a few rolls, you can't just say the player picked the wrong side.

As for energy detection, if you think you have the ability to do it, I'd like to be there with you and make side bets about it.



Where do you play?
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LuckyPhow
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April 1st, 2017 at 9:05:42 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Where do you play?



Biloxi area. Lotsa casinos giving reasonably good comps and low-limit games.
LuckyPhow
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April 1st, 2017 at 11:40:26 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

As for energy detection, if you think you have the ability to do it, I'd like to be there with you and make side bets about it.


If the gals all lined up to say some guy gave them the best roller-coaster ride in bed of anyone anywhere, the two of us [in this example] might be there saying, "You let us watch, and we'll decide. We're taking bets this so-called world-class lover won't even be able to get an erection." But, one cannot observe without affecting the outcome. In such a situation as this, the poor guy might not be able to perform.

So, you belly up to the table and say, "Lucky. I'm taking bets about whether or not you can really detect energy." As if "detecting energy" was as simple as turning on a water faucet and measuring gallons per minute filling a bucket. In my experience, energy doesn't work that way. In the case you describe, you basically announce you bring to the craps table a bucket-load full of negative energy, and you somehow assume that has no effect. Sorry, but it does.

Consider this scenario: Assume I have never seen a crustacean, and I ask you to write out for me a complete, accurate description of the taste of lobster, a food you [in my scenario] recommend. I, in turn, take your description of lobster's "taste" (not its texture, smell, feel, etc.) to three other independent reviewers. Since you can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) say "lobster tastes like lobster," there should be no clue of what actual "essence" you described. For you to "pass" the test, the reviewers (each of whom has previously enjoyed eating lobster) must agree, "Clearly, this is a description of what lobster tastes like. No doubt about it." I think you would be hard-pressed to write a clear description of lobster's taste. Words are not satisfactory tools for this task.

Likewise for energy. Tools I have I cannot share in a way you can understand. And, assertions that you can observe whether or not something in which you do not believe actually occurs seems logical to you. I, however, cannot do the "lobster taste" exercise for energy in a way that allows you to say, "Whoa, Lucky! Now I understand this energy stuff."

So, here we are. Some assert the effect of "energy," while others, based on their own experience, deny it exists. No easy way to square that circle. As for myself, I stand with folks like the noted scientist, Nikola Tesla:

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“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

BasesLoaded
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April 1st, 2017 at 5:54:24 PM permalink
Every roll is a 'Come Out' roll. What is the 'middle of a point"?

I obviously wait for the dice to be in the center of the table, but do not look at the status of the puck. I put my cash in the COME area and tell the dealer "X dollars coming". Sometimes the dealer says "sir, we are Coming out", and he/she moves my X dollars to the Pass line; otherwise my X dollars is a Come bet.

Fun and games quickly ensues.
ThenWhatHappens
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April 11th, 2017 at 11:18:29 AM permalink
When I'm ready to play, I find a spot on the rail, recount my buy-in cash, pull out my card and prepare to wait. If I have played with them before, the dealers often prompt me to go ahead and buy in. I will do so with the comment, "Don't delay the action," followed by how to color my rail.
I feel that the etiquette on a higher limit table is sometimes better but the "feel" can be too sedate. Give me the $15 table when there is an open $10 on the floor.
The action last weekend turned sour Saturday night, too many rude players. The Belagio table had one guy yelling at the shooter before his come out roll, "What's his name, how about Stan. We'll call him Stan the man!" He probably wanted to shoot as he was next up. Good thing the stick was between them or he might have taken an elbow to the nose. Went back to Mirage found a table with a good feel that soon went south. Had two ladies playing on the end then me and another guy, the other end had six or seven, all in good spirits. The dice were at the other end and one of the ladies stepped away to the restroom. A man buys in between myself and the two girls with his wife in tow standing to his right. Upon return of the other player a heated tension and harsh words over territory and being crouded on the rail. (With only six on our end.) Killed the mood again.
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AxelWolf
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April 11th, 2017 at 12:26:32 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Watch,

Sorry for those who think your post is some kind of April Fools joke, but I completely agree. For some, if you cannot see, taste, hear, smell, touch, calculate, or quantify this nebulous "energy" stuff, it must not exist.

When the Great Recession hit in 2007, I quit playing craps for several years. It was shortly after Hurricane Katrina had blown away Mississippi gulfcoast casinos (and many other local employers), and the economic situation had far too many folks far too desperate as they tried to keep body and soul together. Craps tables were filled with players betting "scared" money, carrying their last $400 to the casino in hopes of winning $100 more so they could make the rent/utility/car payment that was due the next day. Too often they made high-risk bets, and too often they lost. They completely polluted the table energy. Rolls were never long enough for anyone to win any money. And, there were just enough come-out sevens to destroy players betting the Dark side. The energy was so foul one could taste it, and it left an awful taste in everyone's mouth.

Ummm... I don't recall a "Sugarhood" casino. Can you please tell me which casino this is? Many thanx for an interesting post, even if you had to dig back more than a year for the thread you replied to.

Oh God, this energy stuff is even more rediculouse than the DI BS.

Don't insinuate some people are close-minded just because they can't see, taste, smell, calculate or unerstand somthing. That's just what people say when they have nothing. I think cult leaders claim people just don't understand.

Can you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in, what percent it adds or takes away? Can it over come a 90% HA? Can negative energy affect a 500% advantage?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ThenWhatHappens
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April 11th, 2017 at 2:38:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Oh God, this energy stuff is even more rediculouse than the DI BS.

Don't insinuate some people are close-minded just because they can't see, taste, smell, calculate or unerstand somthing. That's just what people say when they have nothing. I think cult leaders claim people just don't understand.

Can you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in, what percent it adds or takes away? Can it over come a 90% HA? Can negative energy affect a 500% advantage?



Yes, just like that, You nailed it.

Thanks for the example.
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FleaStiff
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April 11th, 2017 at 2:51:15 PM permalink
Look folks, its simple.
You buy in when the crew lets you.
If its mid-roll, the shooter may not like it particularly but the casino runs the game and they usually want your cash as promptly as possible. IF you wish to be courteous you can wait and take guidance from the base dealer. Most casinos no longer allow call bets or allow cash to play, so you will probably have to buy in anyway and if you can do it quickly its okay to do it mid-roll.
Long ago many people waited, it doesn't seem to happen now.

If you call out a large bet ... the stick will return the dice to the middle even if its a mid roll with the shooter complaining and wait for you to buy in. Casinos want your money and its their game. The stick controls the pace of the game and if the dealer and box want to stop and count your money and issue you your chips, they will so no matter how much the shooter feels somehow unluckier about it.
LuckyPhow
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April 11th, 2017 at 3:07:13 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Can you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in ...?



Sorry, Axel, but "words" cannot describe either the taste of lobster or the intricacies of energy. The available "tools" are insufficient. But, as noted by previous posts in this thread, folks can often tell when the energy at a dice table "heads South."

Other of my posts have included scholarly, scientific analyses of "different" energies and how those researchers see their work interfacing with the energy aspects of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics. Happy to point you to them, but we both know that is not what you want.

I understand your dissatisfaction that I cannot provide the information you want. You aren't the first in my experience to suffer this frustration, and I doubt you'll be the last. While I suggest one might (try to) keep an open mind about energy, my failure to satisfy you according to the criteria you set leaves you little choice but to deny it. And, because you cannot see, touch, taste, feel, or calculate the energy I describe -- and because I cannot show it to you so you understand it -- for you it doesn't exist.

Quote: Albert Einstein

It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom.

AxelWolf
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April 12th, 2017 at 9:01:39 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Sorry, Axel, but "words" cannot describe either the taste of lobster or the intricacies of energy. The available "tools" are insufficient. But, as noted by previous posts in this thread, folks can often tell when the energy at a dice table "heads South."

Other of my posts have included scholarly, scientific analyses of "different" energies and how those researchers see their work interfacing with the energy aspects of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics. Happy to point you to them, but we both know that is not what you want.

I understand your dissatisfaction that I cannot provide the information you want. You aren't the first in my experience to suffer this frustration, and I doubt you'll be the last. While I suggest one might (try to) keep an open mind about energy, my failure to satisfy you according to the criteria you set leaves you little choice but to deny it. And, because you cannot see, touch, taste, feel, or calculate the energy I describe -- and because I cannot show it to you so you understand it -- for you it doesn't exist.

Quote: Albert Einstein

It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom.

So basically you have nothing.

People can and do describe the taste of lobster. IMO it's pungent and distasteful. I don't like seafood, other than shrimp.

They can tell "when it's going to go south" because it's negative EV and it's always going south. If someone knew when to stop or start betting they wouldn't be talking about it they would be out doing it while accumulating more money than god.

I'm sure someone can devise a test that can figure out if it's real or just selective memory.

Is anyone willing to put their money where the energy is?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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