I thought Big 6/8 were gone in Nevada?
June 23rd, 2013 at 4:44:40 PM
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While in Vegas the week following Father's Day (see my other post concerning how I "crashed" a $50 craps game), I noticed that the layout had Big 6 and Big 8 on them. Have these always been there? I don't remember them being on the layout in recent years - in fact, I vaguely remember hearing something about the bets being illegal as they were misleading the players into making worse-odds versions of placing the 6 and 8.
This was at the Rio - I didn't pay too much attention to the tables at the other casinos.
This was at the Rio - I didn't pay too much attention to the tables at the other casinos.
June 23rd, 2013 at 5:06:46 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyWhile in Vegas the week following Father's Day (see my other post concerning how I "crashed" a $50 craps game), I noticed that the layout had Big 6 and Big 8 on them. Have these always been there? I don't remember them being on the layout in recent years - in fact, I vaguely remember hearing something about the bets being illegal as they were misleading the players into making worse-odds versions of placing the 6 and 8.
This was at the Rio - I didn't pay too much attention to the tables at the other casinos.
They are illegal in AC but alive and well in Vegas.
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June 23rd, 2013 at 6:37:51 PM
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Yeah, they've always been illegal in AC.
I've never seen them at Sands PA. I have a feeling that PA copied the wording of AC's gaming rules, so it may be illegal in PA as well.
I haven't seen them in CT either.
But, yeah, they're alive and well in Vegas.
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I HAVE seen other bets in that corner. Specifically a 6-7-8 bet that pays even money if the next roll is 6, 7 or 8, and double for a hard 6 or hard 8. (My simple math says it's a zero edge bet. That can't be right, can it?)
I've never seen them at Sands PA. I have a feeling that PA copied the wording of AC's gaming rules, so it may be illegal in PA as well.
I haven't seen them in CT either.
But, yeah, they're alive and well in Vegas.
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I HAVE seen other bets in that corner. Specifically a 6-7-8 bet that pays even money if the next roll is 6, 7 or 8, and double for a hard 6 or hard 8. (My simple math says it's a zero edge bet. That can't be right, can it?)
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June 23rd, 2013 at 6:47:35 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
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I HAVE seen other bets in that corner. Specifically a 6-7-8 bet that pays even money if the next roll is 6, 7 or 8, and double for a hard 6 or hard 8. (My simple math says it's a zero edge bet. That can't be right, can it?)
Nah, it's the same as the field with 2/12 only double (5.56% 14 even money, 2 double and 20 losses). In Indiana I saw Low Dice and High Dice there.
June 23rd, 2013 at 6:55:45 PM
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Quote: bigfoot66They are illegal in AC but alive and well in Vegas.
Thanks - I thought I had heard they were illegal somewhere.
June 23rd, 2013 at 7:43:40 PM
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Vegas or should I say NV, is the wild, wild west anything goes on the craps table, they can make up their rules for each casino, there is nothing in the gaming rules on what a casino can and can't do on the craps tables, although they do have to run what bets they are going to have on the table through gaming.
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June 27th, 2013 at 4:26:10 AM
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These pay even money? What a rip off!
June 27th, 2013 at 5:11:06 AM
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Quote: FroggerThese pay even money? What a rip off!
When I teach craps at parties I tell people they are the stupidest bet in the casino. 15 inches away you get better odds for the same outcome. No different than if you had to pay 10% more for a Big Mac at the drive-thru instead of at the counter.
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June 27th, 2013 at 5:38:46 AM
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AZ -
Don't use that analogy. Theres a convenience factor with drive thru.
Instead, compare the Value Menu to ordering the individual items.
On a side note: be careful with that. Some math challenged fast food managers price the "value" meal higher than the sum on the items!
Don't use that analogy. Theres a convenience factor with drive thru.
Instead, compare the Value Menu to ordering the individual items.
On a side note: be careful with that. Some math challenged fast food managers price the "value" meal higher than the sum on the items!
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http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
June 27th, 2013 at 7:24:10 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearAZ -
Don't use that analogy. Theres a convenience factor with drive thru.
As there is with the self-serve Big 6/8.
When I explain it I simply say the bet is on the board for those who do not know the game or/and are too intimidated to talk to a dealer.
Quote:On a side note: be careful with that. Some math challenged fast food managers price the "value" meal higher than the sum on the items!
I think it is more savvy managers pricing for math-challenged customers. Or those just in a hurry.
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June 27th, 2013 at 8:24:45 PM
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In all the times I've been at the table I have never seen a six or eight that was bigger than the other sixes or eights...
June 27th, 2013 at 8:33:47 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
June 27th, 2013 at 10:20:25 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
I've never seen them at Sands PA. I have a feeling that PA copied the wording of AC's gaming rules, so it may be illegal in PA as well.
For video poker, they more or less copied West Virginia. NJ, PA, and WV, all have poorly worded regulations for video poker, imo, but should behave like Nevada once you break down all the rules. I have been going round and round on videopoker.com over NJ law because they call video poker (a "slot machine with an element of skill"), so the conspiracy theorists on that site think it doesn't come from a random deck.
Considering how the PA regs are written, I would also say Big 6/Big 8 are illegal simply because they aren't mentioned in the regulations, but everything else is. PA is a great model for table game regulations. Nevada is a joke compared to them.
June 27th, 2013 at 10:40:40 PM
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Where I play, they don't need to put the Big 6 & 8 on the layout. Plenty of players place them for $5, anyway.
June 28th, 2013 at 5:59:26 AM
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Some people are f-ing idiots!Quote: CalderWhere I play, they don't need to put the Big 6 & 8 on the layout. Plenty of players place them for $5, anyway.
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http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
June 28th, 2013 at 8:19:08 AM
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The house probably makes more money off of breakage on below-minimum 6/8 bets (and 5/9 + 4/10 bets on $3 minimum tables) than any other bet on the table. I know of no other bet with such a high house edge in relation to variance. I would love these bettors if I were the house! Dealers love to complain about $3 minimums, but the house makes more money on them!Quote: DJTeddyBearSome people are f-ing idiots!
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June 28th, 2013 at 10:09:26 AM
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I asked an older gentleman once who played the Big 6/8 as to why he did. He obviously was experienced and I had no doubt he knew the odds and what he was doing.
He simply said that he did not like having the dealers handle his bets, and that when he decided to take down or return his Big 6/8 bet(s), he could do so by himself. As I watched, the only bets the guy made were the Pass Line with odds and the Big 6/8. Nothing else.
So, "self-serve" was the answer.
He simply said that he did not like having the dealers handle his bets, and that when he decided to take down or return his Big 6/8 bet(s), he could do so by himself. As I watched, the only bets the guy made were the Pass Line with odds and the Big 6/8. Nothing else.
So, "self-serve" was the answer.
June 28th, 2013 at 11:15:03 AM
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Quote: Jimbo
He simply said that he did not like having the dealers handle his bets, and that when he decided to take down or return his Big 6/8 bet(s), he could do so by himself.
Hmmm, did he look like Howie Mandel?
