RS
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August 13th, 2017 at 1:14:30 AM permalink
This is the closest thing I found on the subject of not showing ID when the casino does a CTR. It's confusing though.

https://www.fincen.gov/frequently-asked-questions-regarding-fincen-currency-transaction-report-ctr
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21. Is a “form of identification” (Item 20) required for an entity? If so, what information would we enter in that field?
For technical filing purposes, Item 20 is a critical field on the FinCEN CTR (identified by the *). However, the release of the FinCEN CTR did not create any new obligations or otherwise change existing statutory and regulatory expectations of financial institutions in filing the new report.

The previous guidance for completing the identification field on the CTR for an entity instructed filers to check the “Other” box and enter “NA” on the line provided. That instruction is no longer valid given the addition of the “Unknown” box for Item 20. The addition of the “Unknown” box means that filers will no longer use “NA” or “XX” in certain fields.

Therefore, if the filing institution does not have information available or knowledge of a “form of identification” for the entity, it should check the “Unknown” box for Item 20.

FinCEN expects, however, that financial institutions will provide the most complete filing information available within each report, regardless of whether or not the individual fields are deemed critical for technical filing purposes. Examples of “forms of identification” for an entity could include the entity’s business license or incorporation documents. Please refer to 31 CFR § 1010.312 for additional information on identification requirements.

Please note that if “Other” is selected in Item 20, you must either put in the number associated with that other form of identification or space fill the “Number” box to avoid a validation error.

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Rigondeaux
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August 13th, 2017 at 3:09:36 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

That's phenomenal to hear. I remember watching the video with sound when it came out. I didn't know the "officers" were ALSO employed by the casino. Seems like a huge conflict of interest and I'm glad the judge saw straight through it. I sincerely hope the casino gets hit for a number that will hurt them, though I wont' hold my breath, but I DO HOPE the cops and security guards get hurt by the amount, as that should teach a lesson to the casino's wanna be 'thugs' whom do illegal things on their behalf, when in reality it's their individual noses that are open to being hurt the most.



I think the security guards who were just security guards are probably safe and rightfully so. They probably make $15/hr and can't be expected to know the ins and outs of the laws. Responsibility should fall on their employer for giving them unlawful orders.

The cops should be fired for sure. Perhaps a light jail sentence as well. Holding them or the city liable for huge amounts of money is tricky, I guess, as always.

The cops don't really have much money and should have even less soon. It's also kind of dicey to have a scenario where cops who screw up are financially ruined.

Hammering taxpayers for every episode of misconduct by city employees is a bit of a Pandora's box. Probably better to limit it to cases where somebody has really lost something of value and deserves restitution. Like their life or their health or a lot of time, as with a wrongful conviction.

On the other hand, if Maryland Live were sued out of existence, the community would probably be better off. Worst case Ontario, they are instantly replaced by another casino.
RS
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August 13th, 2017 at 3:47:57 AM permalink
Every party involved is responsible. Unless you're under duress, you're responsible for what you do. You should know the laws about what you do, especially if you're in a law-enforcement-type position (security guard).

The casino as a corporation should be held responsible as well as the security guards personally, their overseers (managers, etc.) personally, the police involved personally, as well as any of the policemen's overseers who were involved (if they had knowledge or ordered the policemen to act in that way).

Sorta like how if someone hires a hitman to kill someone, both the hitman and the financer are held responsible.
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Rigondeaux
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August 13th, 2017 at 4:26:54 AM permalink
There's a legal concept called the corporate veil. I don't understand it too good. But it makes it very hard to sue individuals acting as part of a corporation.

To the best of my understanding, it's pretty hard to go after a CEO who knowingly breaks the law in far more serious cases. So I reckon it's pretty hard to go after a wage slave who does something fairly minor, either unknowingly or for fear of losing his job.

Anyway, someone has to have money to make suing them worthwhile.

And, actually, hiring a hitman is perfectly legal. Only the hitman is guilty of any wrongdoing, from a legal standpoint.
odiousgambit
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August 13th, 2017 at 4:50:10 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

And, actually, hiring a hitman is perfectly legal. Only the hitman is guilty of any wrongdoing, from a legal standpoint.



Ahem. Where are you getting that?
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August 13th, 2017 at 6:26:48 AM permalink
following.
want to see what the judgment $$$ is
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August 13th, 2017 at 6:35:06 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

There's a legal concept called the corporate veil. I don't understand it too good. But it makes it very hard to sue individuals acting as part of a corporation.

To the best of my understanding, it's pretty hard to go after a CEO who knowingly breaks the law in far more serious cases. So I reckon it's pretty hard to go after a wage slave who does something fairly minor, either unknowingly or for fear of losing his job.

Anyway, someone has to have money to make suing them worthwhile.

And, actually, hiring a hitman is perfectly legal. Only the hitman is guilty of any wrongdoing, from a legal standpoint.



Yea its called conspiracy to commit murder and gets u serious jail time if convicted
darkoz
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August 13th, 2017 at 7:00:10 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I can't imagine security was aware they had sent a limo for him. If so, they would have already had his information. The left hand rarely knows what the right hand is doing. Marketing and Security are two different worlds.



Regardless if u dont hav id the casino has the right to ask u to LEAVE - not demand u STAY

It is the same law as in a bar. If the bartender believes u are under age and u dont produce id he can insist you leave. Not hav his goons take you to a back room and hav off duty cops in his employ illegally search you

Btw - over and over these cases are won in favor of people like Justin mills and over and over people on here keep arguing misinformation about the law

Read the full judgement. The casino was wrong in just about everything they did here
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August 13th, 2017 at 7:55:51 AM permalink
Great news! Love to hear it when casinos not only lose money to counters at the game, but then lose six figure lawsuits on top of that because of incompetent staff and police. Glad all the videos are released to expose this casino.
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August 13th, 2017 at 8:56:32 AM permalink
Quote: RS

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Although I'm pretty sure you have to show one for a CTR.



You do not need to show one for a CTR. Our policy is to not pay you until you produce it and tell you that your are not welcome back at the casino until you produce it. If the disputed amount is greater than $500 the casino is supposed to call Gaming.

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