RogerKint
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June 15th, 2017 at 11:07:45 PM permalink
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Floor who noticed the blackjack + T + 8 + 4 (or whatever it was) didn't do anything, he was in such shock. He came over to me (I was dealing craps) and told me what happened and sorta jokingly asked what he should do.....like this scenario is so messed up, I can't really do anything can I, it's too great of a moment.



Yeah, it's just too funny to even process in the moment. You just pull out your phone and say world star. This sounds like a great boss and a great place to work. Though, he'd probably wanna backroom the nearest AP making $5/hour.
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monet0412
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June 15th, 2017 at 11:27:58 PM permalink
Ok a few more stories. Some of used to see how drunk we could get and deal without taking an EO. One New Yesrs Eve a friend was moving the cards around the board while the players were betting. He was messing with them pretty hard. The floor just EOed him after a player suggested he might need it. I was drinking grape whatever and vodka going from game to game putting my drink in the 9 seat. Never got questioned once about why I was drinking in between shuffles. I still know a dealer to this day who always carries a sprite bottle with him while dealing and setting it by his foot. The town isn't as fun as it used to be but neither am I.
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June 16th, 2017 at 8:22:20 AM permalink
I've had dealers take my money mistakenly when I have actually won. When I caught the mistake, they obviously gave me the money back and my winnings without question. Who knows if it's actually happened where I didn't catch the mistake and they kept my money when they should have paid me.

On the other side of the coin, I've been mistakenly paid by dealers who thought I won. Honestly, I think this has only happened once in my life at a craps table, and I didn't exactly say the chips weren't mine, but I gave the dealer every opportunity to realize his mistake and at one point even said, "Are you sure that's mine?" or something to that effect. I grabbed the chips and left the table.

I would gladly give the money back if a dealer made a mistake and caught it, but casinos already have a license to print money so if no one catches the mistake then I'm keeping my mouth shut.
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June 16th, 2017 at 8:50:58 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Ok a few more stories. Some of used to see how drunk we could get and deal without taking an EO. One New Yesrs Eve a friend was moving the cards around the board while the players were betting. He was messing with them pretty hard. The floor just EOed him after a player suggested he might need it. I was drinking grape whatever and vodka going from game to game putting my drink in the 9 seat. Never got questioned once about why I was drinking in between shuffles. I still know a dealer to this day who always carries a sprite bottle with him while dealing and setting it by his foot. The town isn't as fun as it used to be but neither am I.



How about all the lines of coke some dealers used to do to keep themselves going "back in the day?"
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June 16th, 2017 at 12:14:37 PM permalink
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How about all the lines of coke some dealers used to do to keep themselves going "back in the day?"



I was never into it but many were. Many of them still owe me money! I think my favorite story is the dice dealer who went over to the Nugget for a few drinks on his break. After his break he pushed back in and went about paying players on his side of the table. Another dealer tapped him on the shoulder and said your in my spot. The drunk dealer said: "What do you mean?" Well this is the Golden Nugget... you deal across the street at The Horseshoe!
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June 16th, 2017 at 8:14:44 PM permalink
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If I'm playing poker and I can see my neighbors cards I always tell them. Yes, I guess technically they are supposed to protect their own hand but that feels like stealing to me. Typically, if this happens it is an older person who has a hard time seeing, I just couldn't live with myself if I took advantage of that.

I stopped telling people because It just leads to problems. Last time it went down like this. Me, "Hey, be careful I can see your hand." Opponent, " WELL STOP LOOKING THEN!!"

Sure, I can do my best not to see their cards, but even then, you can't always avoid or control what your eyes see.
And now I have to not ever look at the guy's chips or actions he is making just to make sure I don't see his hand.
Why do I get penalized for him being an idiot?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:21:31 PM permalink
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I stopped telling people because It just leads to problems. Last time it went down like this. Me, "Hey, be careful I can see your hand." Opponent, " WELL STOP LOOKING THEN!!"

Sure, I can do my best not to see their cards, but even then, you can't always avoid or control what your eyes see.
And now I have to not ever look at the guy's chips or actions he is making just to make sure I don't see his hand.
Why do I get penalized for him being an idiot?



A few months ago I was sitting next to an older guy who couldnt see well. I was sitting to his left and saw his cards every single hand. 2 guys on the other end of the table were throwing a fit because in wasn't fair that I had that knowledge. I played very nice with the guy next to me because I felt bad. The floor was called a few times. He would tell the guy to protect his hand. After the fact I was talking to the floor about it and he didn't know what to do because the guy clearly had a disability and he didn't want to cause an issueb with ada or whatever it is called.
monet0412
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June 16th, 2017 at 11:00:32 PM permalink
Nice stories about not taking advantage of information in poker games by you two. It's kinda like telling someone a lie so you don't hurt their feelings which is righteous to some people, however telling someone a lie to exploit them is unrighteous. For me this is no difference. They are both lies which makes the person a liar. Anyway... what I don't understand is why you two just don't pick up your chips and leave the game as soon as this problem starts. Funny conversation though. Let's play a game centered around telling lies, trickery with table image, stealing and collusion all the time. However don't lie, cheat or steal while playing. I think it's better for someone with a conscious to play a game that isn't centered around winning money. Think about how difficult it is to play straight and watch the money suck down the rake, jackpot rake, dealer tokes and waitress tokes. Simple math... 9 players... 900 on the table... 40 hands an hour... max rakes 6 dollars = 240 off the table per hour plus tokes another 35 to go low... that's 275 off the table an hour and that's a low ball estimate... also factor in the sharks or players playing on the same bankroll or colluding... fun game!!!
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June 16th, 2017 at 11:11:22 PM permalink
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A few months ago I was sitting next to an older guy who couldnt see well. I was sitting to his left and saw his cards every single hand. 2 guys on the other end of the table were throwing a fit because in wasn't fair that I had that knowledge. I played very nice with the guy next to me because I felt bad. The floor was called a few times. He would tell the guy to protect his hand. After the fact I was talking to the floor about it and he didn't know what to do because the guy clearly had a disability and he didn't want to cause an issue with ada or whatever it is called.

This is totally different from what I'm talking about.

Recently I was playing 2/5 next to a young guy(He was Asian American) who was playing like a semi-pro( Personally, I think he was way too tight). The reason I could see his cards is that he was bending and Lifting them at a fairly high angle. That's dumb, there is no reason to ever do that. Ya, I have been sloppy after a few drinks(10 or so). He was angling them so the people on his right could not see, so it's not like he was some poor fella just there to have fun (a side note: he was disciplined enough to NEVER look at his cards until it was his turn). I think he must have thought his high stack of chips were blocking the players to his left(ME). Perhaps he had to do this because he was so tall?(Yes, he was a very tall Asian)

Naturally, if it's his turn, I'm going to be looking at him and what his hands are doing.

In reality, you didn't really need to see the guys cards to know basically what he had, he was rarely in any hands that I was anyways.

Back to looking at your cards. You should never have to even lift your cards off the table. A quick 1 handed 2 finger corner snap less than 1/8 of an inch is more than enough, you should be able to see just a tiny bit of each rank and know what the card is. No one else should ever be able to see your cards if you do it like that. I have had people oftentimes say you didn't even look at your cards.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:17:37 AM permalink
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It's kinda like telling someone a lie so you don't hurt their feelings which is righteous to some people, however telling someone a lie to exploit them is unrighteous. For me this is no difference. They are both lies which makes the person a liar.



Agreed, to a point. The 10 Commandments aren't "suggestions," and they do prohibit lying.

But, I always remember Miss Lillian, mother of President Jimmy Carter, who -- even though she was Southern Baptist through and through -- was famous for saying a little "white lie" now and then was OK.

I remember a reporter traveled to Miss Lillian's home in Georgia to do an interview about her just-published book. Noting the commandment in the Bible leaves little wriggle room, the reporter asked Miss Lillian to give an example of a lie that might be OK in her view. Miss Lillian answered, "Remember when you arrived this morning, and I greeted you at the front door?" The reporter said she recalled the warm greeting she received. Miss Lillian continued, "And, then I said, 'What a pretty dress you are wearing.'"

"Why, yes," the reporter replied, "I ... " (silent pause) "Ahem, next question..."

I'll let God sort out the degree to which Miss Lillian's "white lies" broke His commandment. This link has another reference to Miss Lillian's white lies.

And, as Miss Lillian might say, thanx so much for your thought-provoking post. It truly made my day.

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