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June 15th, 2017 at 6:37:12 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

My understanding is that you can't be forced to give it back, but the casino can bar you from future play.
That's how it's been explained to me in Jersey and Nevada, but not certain it's correct.



That's my understanding too, at least for Nevada.
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June 15th, 2017 at 7:37:24 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

We get into this kind of discussion every year or two. I keep all mispays, but will quickly give it back if asked every time (tantamount to theft if one refuses imo). The way I see it, they will never inform you that they underpaid you, but will make up for their own mistakes if pointed out. All I ask for is parity.


I have seen the casino pay a player after a mistake on a few occasions.
Sometimes 10 to 20 minutes after the fact,and the player was totally unaware.
That being said I will usually take the payment but return it if asked.
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LuckyPhow
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June 15th, 2017 at 7:47:13 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I have seen the casino pay a player after a mistake on a few occasions.



Playing at the Biloxi Beau Rivage a few months ago, and the Suit walked up to the table, telling the dealer, "Pay $240 to your Number 2. Mr. Mitchell, they just called down to remind us that we underpaid your (straight-) flush (can't recall, but it musta been a great hand) last night."

"Last night" in casino time is "years ago" in Internet time. I was impressed, and it appeared to me that was the case for the other players also.
FCBLComish
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:08:21 AM permalink
We get calls from surveillance all the time telling us that we shorted someone. I immediately go to the table, explain what happened, and pay the player.

Of course, that does work both ways. Most people give the money back when they are made aware of the situation.
LuckyPhow
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:36:14 AM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

We get calls from surveillance all the time telling us that we shorted someone. I immediately go to the table, explain what happened, and pay the player.



You said this before, and I haven't found a better way to say it than to repeat what you said:

Quote:

We do it [correct player underpays] all the time at my property as well. When we come over to pay someone who was shorted, you would be amazed at the response from not only the player involved, but all the other players who witness the transaction.



I sure was pleasantly surprised when it happened at the table where I was playing. But, I'm not convinced all casinos "do this all the time" when it occurs. If they did, it might not seem so surprising to players.
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:41:58 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

My understanding is that you can't be forced to give it back, but the casino can bar you from future play.
That's how it's been explained to me in Jersey and Nevada, but not certain it's correct.

This is correct, also in PA. Bob Nersesian discusses this several times in his plethora of appearances on the Gambling With an Edge pod cast. You can find his old shows on Richard Munchkins FB page, YouTube account, or at the gamblingwithanedge.com website.

Basically, if a casino asks you for your money back you could demand to see the tape of every time the dealer accidentally took money from the players and demand to see that they did in fact pay it back every time. At the end of the day though, there's a few things to keep in mind:

1) It is ILLEGAL to KNOWINGLY take a miss-pay... I'm sure just like everyone else on these forums you're just playing the game, staring off in to space, and collecting the chips you see in front of you. So if you do get a miss-pay, I'm sure you won't tell anyone that you knew it was a miss-pay.

2) You legally do not have to give the money back. However, if it's a small amount you should just go "oh, what happened?... okay, here ya go" and give the money back. It's not worth potentially #3 for $10; especially if you're a counter/AP.

3) The casino can bar anyone for almost any reason as they are a private establishment and can refuse service to anyone just like a restaurant/etc. They can trespass you from their property, take any points/comps you have on your card, etc... So if you were to go this route, the amount in question had better be worth it.
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:43:33 AM permalink
Oops... thanks grinder lol!
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Romes
June 15th, 2017 at 9:48:29 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

A complete cash grab and joke. Anyone in boxing agrees it would take 5 years of serious training to be able to compete at Mayweathers level and that includes professional bouts in boxing. That's boxing not MMA. It's like asking a star pitcher from the MLB to go play in an NFL game for the weekend. Completely different sports. The only chance for McGregor is that "Money" Mayweather takes a dive. That would be awesome if he had a bunch of shills bet on McGregor and they all cleaned up but unlikely these days compared to a hundred years ago. Your telling me that all those great boxers... boxers mind you couldn't beat Floyd but some MMA guy is gonna step into the boxing ring for the first time and win legitimately... ridiculous!


I completely agree with you Monet!!

P.s I think you might have posted this in the wrong thread lol.
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:21:31 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

I completely agree with you Monet!!

P.s I think you might have posted this in the wrong thread lol.



lol ok it wasn't just me. I was trying to figure out what that had to do with an overpayment.
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June 15th, 2017 at 12:05:28 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

I completely agree with you Monet!!

P.s I think you might have posted this in the wrong thread lol.


He had the right thread. Those people are wayyyyy overpaid!!

P.S. Who is going to fill in for PGD in these arguments?
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