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December 13th, 2016 at 6:45:00 PM permalink
We're thinking about a 6-7 day trip to LA at Christmas (would have preferred Las Vegas, but I won't complain).

I can surely Google to find some casinos that offer 3:2 blackjack with $5 min bets, whether reservation casinos or not.

However, I've always found it helpful to patronize where others have gone before and enjoyed it.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations - there's no [legal] gambling here in Hawaii!
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December 13th, 2016 at 7:34:46 PM permalink
It would have to be "reservation", because they don't have normal blackjack in the card rooms of Los Angeles, if that's what you're talking about. There's a lot of Indian casinos in southern California, but I wouldn't call them "near Los Angeles". Los Angeles is the poker capitol of the world, not blackjack.
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December 13th, 2016 at 7:40:08 PM permalink
The nearest 3:2 blackjack to LA is at San Manuel. Morongo and Pechanga are both worth the extra drive imo. Last I heard, Morongo has 3:2 single deck.
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December 13th, 2016 at 8:27:43 PM permalink
From what I've heard, the LA cardrooms have changed their table games up a bit so that they are not as abjectly terrible.

If so, you are probably better off saving the vacation time and gas money at the $5 level. The Indian casinos are far away, and in the middle of nowhere. The card rooms are in some spotty neighborhoods, but some aren't bad in terms of ambiance. The Hustler Club is pretty nice.
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December 13th, 2016 at 8:29:55 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

The nearest 3:2 blackjack to LA is at San Manuel. Morongo and Pechanga are both worth the extra drive imo. Last I heard, Morongo has 3:2 single deck.



Hi Roger Kint, I don't play blackjack but I played a little today to use some match plays. It was in Northern California, continuous shuffling machine, and decent rules. My question or point is that it was Dealer Stand on soft 17. (6 deck) And that surprised me. Me not being a player, I don't really keep up on it, and I thought pretty much everyone goes H17, even in shoes. Is that not the case? How is that rule down south? I haven't been to Los Angeles or beyond for several years. I was raised there, but now everyone I know there is either somewhere else, or dead. (which is the same thing I guess) So I never go there anymore. In fact, I've never been to Pechanga or half the new casinos down there.
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December 13th, 2016 at 8:46:51 PM permalink
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From what I've heard, the LA cardrooms have changed their table games up a bit so that they are not as abjectly terrible.

If so, you are probably better off saving the vacation time and gas money at the $5 level. The Indian casinos are far away, and in the middle of nowhere. The card rooms are in some spotty neighborhoods, but some aren't bad in terms of ambiance. The Hustler Club is pretty nice.




I'm having some trouble posting. I must be really tired. Or I've got to get off these pills.

So am I totally wrong then? Did I open my big fat mouth and not know what I was talking about? I thought Los Angeles didn't have regular blackjack or anything they had was with commission. I haven't been down there since the Normandie had lowball. Somebody slap me and straighten me out.
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December 13th, 2016 at 8:51:32 PM permalink
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Hi Roger Kint, I don't play blackjack but I played a little today to use some match plays. It was in Northern California, continuous shuffling machine, and decent rules. My question or point is that it was Dealer Stand on soft 17. (6 deck) And that surprised me. Me not being a player, I don't really keep up on it, and I thought pretty much everyone goes H17, even in shoes. Is that not the case? How is that rule down south? I haven't been to Los Angeles or beyond for several years. I was raised there, but now everyone I know there is either somewhere else, or dead. (which is the same thing I guess) So I never go there anymore. In fact, I've never been to Pechanga or half the new casinos down there.



Im trying to get out! Alive, preferably. I don't normally play blackjack either but I hear there are a few S17 in some far away places like Augustine casino (east of Palm springs).
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December 13th, 2016 at 9:03:51 PM permalink
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I'm having some trouble posting. I must be really tired. Or I've got to get off these pills.

So am I totally wrong then? Did I open my big fat mouth and not know what I was talking about? I thought Los Angeles didn't have regular blackjack or anything they had was with commission. I haven't been down there since the Normandie had lowball. Somebody slap me and straighten me out.



They brought in blackjack that is pretty much normal a few years back, when I was there. But you still had to play a dollar a hand to play.

From what I've been told, but not seen for myself, they've rearranged things so only the corporation pays commission.
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December 13th, 2016 at 9:06:29 PM permalink
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Im trying to get out! Alive, preferably. I don't normally play blackjack either but I hear there are a few S17 in some far away places like Augustine casino (east of Palm springs).



I've been to Augustine. I'm guessing maybe 15 years ago.

I don't know how you guys do it. You hit the 405 at 3:00 p.m. and crawl. So many people. I left in the 90s, it must be murder by now. I couldn't handle it now. Well, with enough Lorazepam I can handle anything.
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December 13th, 2016 at 9:10:11 PM permalink
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They brought in blackjack that is pretty much normal a few years back, when I was there. But you still had to play a dollar a hand to play.

From what I've been told, but not seen for myself, they've rearranged things so only the corporation pays commission.




That's very interesting. Thanks for the info. But tell me something. If the LA card rooms can level the playing field, aren't the Indians going to scream bloody murder?

I've got a friend who owns a card room. I'll try to give him a call in the next couple days.

thank you
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December 14th, 2016 at 1:33:17 AM permalink
Thanks to bobbartop, rigondeux, and Roger Kint for the tips about blackjack & casinos in LA! From what I gather:
- no Las Vegas style casinos, pretty much all card rooms
- Hollywood Park has the added attraction of racetracks (never been to one), but there's no description of the BJ they offer
- Normandie claims to be the only card room in LA offering 3:2 BJ
- that leaves me with Native American casinos.

There's only 27 casinos to choose from, scattered in 5 counties of Southern California. I'm favoring the Pechanga (only 200,000 sq ft for 3,400 gaming machines and 134 table games. I vaguely remember going there about 15 years ago when I first learned about Video Poker (no blackjack yet - only started Oct 2016!).

Of course this made me wonder about which was the
This would be the Winstar World Resort & Casino in Oklahoma: 519,000 sq ft for 7,400 gaming machines and 97 table games.


But, but . . the
. . . a mere 186,187 sq ft for 1,900 gaming machines and 167 table games.


If any WoO reader has more tips about card rooms or Native American casinos "near" LA, pls share!
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December 14th, 2016 at 2:47:26 AM permalink
San Manuel: 6D, 3:2, H17, LS, $15 min, DA2, DAS, 65% pen. And you'll get at least $25 free slot play for new player's club sign up. And it's one of the closest to Los Angeles. They may have lower minimums but the tables would be very busy (I didn't see any).
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December 14th, 2016 at 8:22:58 AM permalink
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- Hollywood Park has the added attraction of racetracks (never been to one), but there's no description of the BJ they offer



Just to further dampen your day, there's no more live horse racing at Hollywood Park. It opened in 1938 and just closed three years ago. So much rich history there. I practically grew up at that track. Sad.

edit: There's not even a track there now, they tore it up.
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December 14th, 2016 at 8:49:34 AM permalink
Sorry I haven't been there for quite a while. Many years ago I hunted out ones in the south and remember Viegas (rte 8 E of San Diego) being fairly good. According to google it's 152 miles away (about 2 3/4 hrs), so probably too far.
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December 14th, 2016 at 9:49:53 AM permalink
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Just to further dampen your day, there's no more live horse racing at Hollywood Park. It opened in 1938 and just closed three years ago. So much rich history there. I practically grew up at that track. Sad.

edit: There's not even a track there now, they tore it up.



Appreciate the follow-up, bobbartop . . . at least you updated it while we (in Hawaii) are still experiencing many on/off damp days. Kinda lessens the blow . . . shucks! only 3 years late! But it's great that some other folks have added new tips for me to pursue!
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December 14th, 2016 at 10:03:51 AM permalink
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Sorry I haven't been there for quite a while. Many years ago I hunted out ones in the south and remember Viegas (rte 8 E of San Diego) being fairly good. According to google it's 152 miles away (about 2 3/4 hrs), so probably too far.



Charliepatrick - like I said, it's always more rewarding to visit places where others have gone before with positive memories. We'll present Viegas to the family and see what they think. A longer trip might be like a mini-adventure!
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December 14th, 2016 at 10:10:54 AM permalink
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San Manuel: 6D, 3:2, H17, LS, $15 min, DA2, DAS, 65% pen. And you'll get at least $25 free slot play for new player's club sign up. And it's one of the closest to Los Angeles. They may have lower minimums but the tables would be very busy (I didn't see any).



See what I mean, GJ? Now I have 2 recommendations for San Manuel: yours and earlier, from Roger Kint! Thanks for the extra details about SM. A quick look at their website tells me there's enough variety of activities for all the family members. While $15 min BJ is a little rich for my pocket, those table conditions look really attractive, esp the 65% pen. I like VP and the others who like slots will enjoy the $25 free play! Yay! Really appreciate this tip!
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December 14th, 2016 at 10:50:17 AM permalink
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See what I mean, GJ? Now I have 2 recommendations for San Manuel: yours and earlier, from Roger Kint! Thanks for the extra details about SM. A quick look at their website tells me there's enough variety of activities for all the family members. While $15 min BJ is a little rich for my pocket, those table conditions look really attractive, esp the 65% pen. I like VP and the others who like slots will enjoy the $25 free play! Yay! Really appreciate this tip!



Where in Los Angeles will you be staying? How far are you comfortable traveling? How comfortable are you with "sketchier" neighborhoods? There is a cardroom offering "Freebet" with no commission, but it is in a small joint in a part of town featured in film where "out of" is spelled "outta", so probably not a good choice for a "family" outing.

The cardroom at Hollywood Park has recently been remodeled, so it looks very luxurious now. Major remodeling has also been completed at the "Gardens" casino in Hawaiian Gardens. You will find half the place dedicated to Poker, and most of the other half to Baccarat with commissions required. Tables for "No Bust", UTH and Fortune Pai Gow Poker can also be found, but no slots nor Video Poker as these games are exclusive to the tribes as part of their compact with the Governor.
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December 14th, 2016 at 11:45:04 AM permalink
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Where in Los Angeles will you be staying? How far are you comfortable traveling? How comfortable are you with "sketchier" neighborhoods? There is a cardroom offering "Freebet" with no commission, but it is in a small joint in a part of town featured in film where "out of" is spelled "outta", so probably not a good choice for a "family" outing.

The cardroom at Hollywood Park has recently been remodeled, so it looks very luxurious now. Major remodeling has also been completed at the "Gardens" casino in Hawaiian Gardens. You will find half the place dedicated to Poker, and most of the other half to Baccarat with commissions required. Tables for "No Bust", UTH and Fortune Pai Gow Poker can also be found, but no slots nor Video Poker as these games are exclusive to the tribes as part of their compact with the Governor.




Thank you for sharing your interesting notes, Ayecarumba!

For a family of 6 in a van, we would be ok with a 2 hr drive +/- 30 min. The drive est from LA to Las Vegas is about 4 hr 15 min.

The "family" (all adults) outing would probably feel more comfortable with less "sketchier" neighborhoods. We would most enjoy (a) blackjack 3:2; (b) VP; (c) slots in that order.
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:22:46 PM permalink
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Thank you for sharing your interesting notes, Ayecarumba!

For a family of 6 in a van, we would be ok with a 2 hr drive +/- 30 min. The drive est from LA to Las Vegas is about 4 hr 15 min.

The "family" (all adults) outing would probably feel more comfortable with less "sketchier" neighborhoods. We would most enjoy (a) blackjack 3:2; (b) VP; (c) slots in that order.




The gentleman who mentioned a 2-3/4 hour drive was talking about Viejas. I've been there many years ago and that is east of San Diego. In other words, that's essentially the furthest of any of the Southern Indian joints. If you can go to Viejas, you can go to any of them. Barona is highly rated. So is Pechanga.

Others have spoken about "sketcy" neighborhoods, they're probably thinking of Hollywood Park, maybe even Gardena, which would be Normandie and Hustler. I have never thought of Gardena as sketchy. Inglewood, yes, but it never bothered me because I wasn't going too far from the track. Certainly you don't want to park the van in a neighborhood near Hollypark and think the family is going to break out the blankets and go fishing. Every single piece of real estate in that area belongs to some gang. Stay near the casinos and once you go away from Los Angeles there won't be any sketchy neighborhoods. After spending 2/3 of my life there I know a lot of good restaurants in LA. Not fancy, just good. Good and ethnic. Delicious. But you're going to gamble, not eat. How long are you going to be there? A week? Not enough time. Plan your second trip longer.
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:23:08 PM permalink
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Thank you for sharing your interesting notes, Ayecarumba!

For a family of 6 in a van, we would be ok with a 2 hr drive +/- 30 min. The drive est from LA to Las Vegas is about 4 hr 15 min.

The "family" (all adults) outing would probably feel more comfortable with less "sketchier" neighborhoods. We would most enjoy (a) blackjack 3:2; (b) VP; (c) slots in that order.



Heading east to Palm Springs way would probably be best. There are a number of large and small tribal joints with slots and video poker to pick from in the area, about 90 - 120 minutes away. Morongo is even located next to a large outlet shopping center.

Heading way south will get you to large tribal places, Pechanga and Pala. The best Blackjack rules may be at Barona, but it is pushing your 2 hr. drive time to get to these places. Also out that way (closer to San Diego than Los Angeles), is Valley View, which is a smaller place, but is distinguished by their All You Can Eat LOBSTER buffet. Note that these casinos subsidize bus service from various locations in L.A., including Chinatown, so you may be able to just catch a ride instead of driving.

The Wizard did a survey of Blackjack rules (now a bit dated) in Southern California. It may still be on the WoO site.
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:27:28 PM permalink
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Heading east to Palm Springs way would probably be best. There are a number of large and small tribal joints with slots and video poker to pick from in the area, about 90 - 120 minutes away. Morongo is even located next to a large outlet shopping center.

Heading way south will get you to large tribal places, Pechanga and Pala. The best Blackjack rules may be at Barona, but it is pushing your 2 hr. drive time to get to these places. Also out that way (closer to San Diego than Los Angeles), is Valley View, which is a smaller place, but is distinguished by their All You Can Eat LOBSTER buffet. Note that these casinos subsidize bus service from various locations in L.A., including Chinatown, so you may be able to just catch a ride instead of driving.

The Wizard did a survey of Blackjack rules (now a bit dated) in Southern California. It may still be on the WoO site.




Good advice!
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:30:27 PM permalink
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The gentleman who mentioned a 2-3/4 hour drive was talking about Viejas. I've been there many years ago and that is east of San Diego. In other words, that's essentially the furthest of any of the Southern Indian joints. If you can go to Viejas, you can go to any of them. Barona is highly rated. So is Pechanga.

Others have spoken about "sketcy" neighborhoods, they're probably thinking of Hollywood Park, maybe even Gardena, which would be Normandie and Hustler. I have never thought of Gardena as sketchy. Inglewood, yes, but it never bothered me because I wasn't going too far from the track. Certainly you don't want to park the van in a neighborhood near Hollypark and think the family is going to break out the blankets and go fishing. Every single piece of real estate in that area belongs to some gang. Stay near the casinos and once you go away from Los Angeles there won't be any sketchy neighborhoods. After spending 2/3 of my life there I know a lot of good restaurants in LA. Not fancy, just good. Good and ethnic. Delicious. But you're going to gamble, not eat. How long are you going to be there? A week? Not enough time. Plan your second trip longer.



The Normandie is no more. It was bought out by Hustler founder Larry Flynt, and has been recast as "Lucky Lady". With effectively no competition in the South Bay of Los Angeles, It is sad for players.
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December 14th, 2016 at 1:03:29 PM permalink
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The Normandie is no more. It was bought out by Hustler founder Larry Flynt, and has been recast as "Lucky Lady". With effectively no competition in the South Bay of Los Angeles, It is sad for players.




It will always be the Normandie to me. Actually, I forgot that Flynt changed the name. I have been to Hustler twice. Compared to Normandie I have put in thousands of hours over the years, even back to when they were on Western Ave. I dunno, I just don't like Larry Flynt. Saying his name makes me want to take a shower. He's a pig.
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December 14th, 2016 at 1:48:02 PM permalink
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Just to further dampen your day, there's no more live horse racing at Hollywood Park. It opened in 1938 and just closed three years ago. So much rich history there. I practically grew up at that track. Sad.

edit: There's not even a track there now, they tore it up.



Even worse. I just looked up Soul Burger, the place on prairie that had one of the 5 best burgers I've ever tasted. It's closed too. I would seriously go to HPC just to stop there. Oh well.

I agree, if you're going to make a drive, Palm Springs might be the way to go. It's a pleasant place to visit with good places to eat, if that's a factor.
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December 14th, 2016 at 2:01:10 PM permalink
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Even worse. I just looked up Soul Burger, the place on prairie that had one of the 5 best burgers I've ever tasted. It's closed too. I would seriously go to HPC just to stop there. Oh well.




There were a couple very good Japanese curry houses in the area. One on Artesia, I think one on Sawtelle. After playing poker, I would go stuff myself with Japanese curry. And a BIG bottle of Kirin beer. I could hardly move.
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December 14th, 2016 at 2:41:40 PM permalink
Depending on where you are visiting in the Los Angeles area (and the time of day / traffic patterns), Pechanga, Morongo, San Manuel, or Chumash (Santa Ynez, near Santa Barbara) may be the closest "big" casino. Barona is also one of the "big 5" (25 min from downtown San Diego & beaches, but furthest from Los Angeles County).

If you sleep at Fantasy one night, the next day you can tour 12-14 of the 19 casinos, and end up at Viejas to sleep on the second night.

However, I would suggest breaking into 4 day-trips:
1) Visit Chumash driving up the California coast from Santa Monica/Mailbu. Santa Barbara is a foodie town, with my favorite quesadilla in the world (for $1.65). Chumash casino hotel is very pricey (unless you are a heavy player), so a nearby hotel on Orbitz might be good to stay overnight.
2) Visit San Manuel & the "Palm Springs 6". I like Agua, but it may be pricey.
3) Visit "Pala 5". Harrahs is very empty in December. Some days are $105 (including tax) on-line.
4) Visit "Barona Triangle" and stay overnight at Barona ($139 weekdays, $215 weekends, including tax).
From Barona, you can spend the next day visiting Downtown San Diego, and drive up the coast, visiting 15-30 major beaches on your way back to Malibu.

Possibly a 2-3 day trip to drive the western Sierras to see Yosemite & the giant trees in Sequoia National Forest on your next visit
5) Visit "Fresno 3".

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Southern California has 19 Indian casinos with slot machines & tables (not just card rooms). 9 casinos have hotels - all 4* except Fantasy & Pala (both 3*).

Travel times (with no traffic):
San Manuel --25 min--> Morongo --20 min--> Spa Resort --10 min--> Agua Caliente --15 min--> Fantasy Springs or Spotlight 29 --15 min--> Augustine
(The "Palm Springs 6") Morongo, Agua, & Fantasy (3*) have hotels. Agua is my favorite.

Morongo --35-40 min--> Soboba --35-40 min--> Pechanga
(Soboba & Cahuilla are in between Palm Springs and the Pala area)

San Manuel --55 min--> Pechanga --12 min--> Pala --8 min--> Pauma --5 min--> Harrahs SoCal --10 min--> Valley View
Morongo --55 min--> Pechanga
Agua Caliente --1 hr 15 min--> Pechanga (via back roads, which runs you by Cahuilla)
(The "Pala 5") All except Pauma have hotels. Harrahs has the most comfortable beds in the area (and 13-14 types of suites). Pala is a 3*.

Valley View --45 min--> Barona --25-30 min--> Viejas (or Sycuan or Jamul or Alamo) --20 min--> Acorn
Pechanga --1 hr--> Barona
(The "Barona Triangle" ..."Barona 6" if you include the smaller casinos) Barona & Viejas have hotels. Barona is my favorite casino in this area.
These casinos are the closest to Downtown San Diego. With the exception of Acorn, they are 25-30 min away (1 hr - 1hr 15 min during rush hour). If you want to visit beaches, they are about 25-35 min away.

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Central California area has 4 large casinos (Distances from Santa Monica, where I used to live). 3 have hotels (all 4*). Table Mountain does not.
Santa Monica --2 hr --> Chumash (Santa Barbara)

Santa Monica --3 hr --> Tachi (Lemoore) --50 min--> Table Mountain (Friant) --25 min--> Chukchansi (Coarsegold)
(Fresno area also includes three smaller casinos).

Chuckchansi has great hotel rooms, and is 30-45 min from the southern entrance to Yosemite National Park (a little far away to stay when hiking Yosemite, but nice the day before or day after a visit).
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December 14th, 2016 at 4:39:04 PM permalink
" . . . Southern California has 19 Indian casinos with . . . "

Mamat! Wow! I am wondering if you used to own or work a travel agency of if you've worked with companies like TripAdvisor. Here I was ready with pencil and paper to take some notes, but I'll have to print out all 2 pages of your reply!

Not complaining, closer to fainting at the depth and quality of your unexpected and well summarized recommendations and reviews.

In our family group, we are all foodies, and relish Mexican foods, especially quesadilla; we are all low rollers ($5 min bets at BJ, $0.25c (MAX BET $1.25) VP, and we enjoy luxury even if we can't always afford it. We should have no problem making selections from the collection of casinos you've described.

Not sure what else to say; we'll have to have a family council now!
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December 14th, 2016 at 4:59:27 PM permalink
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The gentleman who mentioned a 2-3/4 hour drive was talking about Viejas. I've been there many years ago and that is east of San Diego. In other words, that's essentially the furthest of any of the Southern Indian joints. If you can go to Viejas, you can go to any of them. Barona is highly rated. So is Pechanga.

Others have spoken about "sketcy" neighborhoods, they're probably thinking of Hollywood Park, maybe even Gardena, which would be Normandie and Hustler. I have never thought of Gardena as sketchy. Inglewood, yes, but it never bothered me because I wasn't going too far from the track. Certainly you don't want to park the van in a neighborhood near Hollypark and think the family is going to break out the blankets and go fishing. Every single piece of real estate in that area belongs to some gang. Stay near the casinos and once you go away from Los Angeles there won't be any sketchy neighborhoods. After spending 2/3 of my life there I know a lot of good restaurants in LA. Not fancy, just good. Good and ethnic. Delicious. But you're going to gamble, not eat. How long are you going to be there? A week? Not enough time. Plan your second trip longer.



Bobbartop,

You are a great example of why newbie's might feel more comfortable reaching out for their questions, looking for advice, or almost anything under the sun. I still consider myself a newbie, in the "sponge" stage (soaking up good info, filtering out that which I don't want/need). But the WoO's forum is just the perfect place to explore and question! By next year, maybe I'll have accumulated some experience I can share like you did!

We would all be hard pressed to find your down to earth descriptions anywhere else except from the voice of experience.

Yeah, we'll consider Viejas, Barona, and Pechanga for sure.

Based on our recent last trip to Los Angeles, I agree, a week is not enough time. But 4 of the 6 family members are working; only my wife & I are retired.

If you've spent 2/3 of your life in LA, then we must have missed several good eating places on our last trip. Will you would consider sharing some names of places?That would be excellent. Perhaps your interest might lead you to see what WE liked, and then offer us new places to try on our next trip? Here's my blog:

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/lostwages/blog/#post1410
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December 14th, 2016 at 5:35:19 PM permalink
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Heading east to Palm Springs way would probably be best. There are a number of large and small tribal joints with slots and video poker to pick from in the area, about 90 - 120 minutes away. Morongo is even located next to a large outlet shopping center.

Heading way south will get you to large tribal places, Pechanga and Pala. The best Blackjack rules may be at Barona, but it is pushing your 2 hr. drive time to get to these places. Also out that way (closer to San Diego than Los Angeles), is Valley View, which is a smaller place, but is distinguished by their All You Can Eat LOBSTER buffet. Note that these casinos subsidize bus service from various locations in L.A., including Chinatown, so you may be able to just catch a ride instead of driving.

The Wizard did a survey of Blackjack rules (now a bit dated) in Southern California. It may still be on the WoO site.



If all 6 family members were seated at the "Where shall we go?" council, I'm wondering who would be drooling the most with the sound of Valley View's EAT ALL YOU CAN LOBSTER (probably me!).

The bus service subsidy is attractive. I recall getting stuck in Denver, CO for an intense 5-day training. Luckily, Blackhawk had a bus service. I went everyday after class and took the last bus home at 10:00 pm. Memories!
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December 14th, 2016 at 8:47:49 PM permalink
My opinion only, I would not recommend Chumash. It's out of the way by a lot, and it's by itself. And he's not going to Fresno on this trip so TM and Chukchansi are out. Send him toward the south or the east where he can have a choice, Morongo, Palm Springs, Indio, etc., or toward the San Diego area and hit a few of those.
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Yeah, we'll consider Viejas, Barona, and Pechanga for sure.

Based on our recent last trip to Los Angeles, I agree, a week is not enough time. But 4 of the 6 family members are working; only my wife & I are retired.




This is neither here nor there, but it's something to ponder. If you do go to San Diego, just picture this in your mind. In my youth, I hung out in Los Angeles where there was Gardena and six card rooms. And that was the "poker capitol". BUT, in San Diego, (are you sitting down?), there were OVER SIXTY card rooms. lol So why wasn't THAT the so-called poker capitol? There was nothing like San Diego back in the day. It's all history now. Maybe two rooms left that were grandfathered in somehow. I first journeyed to San Diego and I was like a kid in a candy store. And that was BEFORE there was any of this Indian casino stuff. None. There were little card rooms all over the state, privately owned, and NO Indian casinos. But in San Diego, literally over sixty little rooms, it was all draw poker, no hold'em, no stud. And then, of course, there was Del Mar, where the turf meets the surf, and every pretty girl in San Diego was there in the summer on opening day. Listen! shhhhh. Can you hear it? Can you hear Bing Crosby in the distance? No, he wasn't singing White Christmas. Not in July anyway. I'm tellin ya, I can close my eyes now and hear him singing, "Where the turf, meets the surf, at Del Mar". Great memories.
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December 14th, 2016 at 9:09:18 PM permalink
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Listen! shhhhh. Can you hear it? Can you hear Bing Crosby in the distance? No, he wasn't singing White Christmas. Not in July anyway. I'm tellin ya, I can close my eyes now and hear him singing, "Where the turf, meets the surf, at Del Mar". Great memories.




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December 14th, 2016 at 11:03:38 PM permalink
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There were a couple very good Japanese curry houses in the area. One on Artesia, I think one on Sawtelle. After playing poker, I would go stuff myself with Japanese curry. And a BIG bottle of Kirin beer. I could hardly move.



This is pretty cool - while I only drink beer once in a blue moon (eating great food or appetizers), my two favorites are Henry Weinhard and . . . Kirin! (small bottle ok for me). I'll pass on the curry (I'll eat it but won't look for it), and if I have the opportunity to revisit LA, my target is set on Kazu Nori.
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December 14th, 2016 at 11:12:45 PM permalink
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This is neither here nor there, but it's something to ponder. If you do go to San Diego, just picture this in your mind. In my youth, I hung out in Los Angeles where there was Gardena and six card rooms. And that was the "poker capitol". BUT, in San Diego, (are you sitting down?), there were OVER SIXTY card rooms. lol So why wasn't THAT the so-called poker capitol? There was nothing like San Diego back in the day. It's all history now. Maybe two rooms left that were grandfathered in somehow. I first journeyed to San Diego and I was like a kid in a candy store. And that was BEFORE there was any of this Indian casino stuff. None. There were little card rooms all over the state, privately owned, and NO Indian casinos. But in San Diego, literally over sixty little rooms, it was all draw poker, no hold'em, no stud. And then, of course, there was Del Mar, where the turf meets the surf, and every pretty girl in San Diego was there in the summer on opening day. Listen! shhhhh. Can you hear it? Can you hear Bing Crosby in the distance? No, he wasn't singing White Christmas. Not in July anyway. I'm tellin ya, I can close my eyes now and hear him singing, "Where the turf, meets the surf, at Del Mar". Great memories.



Thanks for the multiple post with comments and advice - your stories make everything more real, and it's nice to visit memory lane. You must have an encyclopedia of both experiences and stories waiting to be shared. I know the very basics of poker, but don't play myself; I enjoy watching the TV programs showing the big players. Unless the links I'm reading are incorrect, San Diego/Del Mar area has 19 casinos. . . I'm learning so much about California now!
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December 15th, 2016 at 1:18:27 AM permalink
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If all 6 family members were seated at the "Where shall we go?" council, I'm wondering who would be drooling the most with the sound of Valley View's EAT ALL YOU CAN LOBSTER (probably me!).

Pala's lobster buffet (Tue 1 lb lobster, Thu all you can eat) is reported to be better than Valley View's. Last time I checked, they had 4-5 kinds of lobster dishes. Valley View has two (stuffed, broiled) ...and maybe a lobster bisque.

Some months, Valley View has $10 lunch Mon-Thu (no lobster), $20 dinner Mon-Thu.
IMO Valley View and Barona have the best buffets in SoCal, but many people like Pala the best (haven't tried it yet).
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December 15th, 2016 at 9:01:54 AM permalink
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Pala's lobster buffet (Tue 1 lb lobster, Thu all you can eat) is reported to be better than Valley View's. Last time I checked, they had 4-5 kinds of lobster dishes. Valley View has two (stuffed, broiled) ...and maybe a lobster bisque.

Some months, Valley View has $10 lunch Mon-Thu (no lobster), $20 dinner Mon-Thu.
IMO Valley View and Barona have the best buffets in SoCal, but many people like Pala the best (haven't tried it yet).



What do I need to do to get a job or life like yours which gives you all these food tasting opportunities? You are quite the galloping gourmet! You must have an interesting food diary or memories stored in your brain cells.
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