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Ace
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June 14th, 2017 at 3:50:23 PM permalink
We are quite close on house edge. I have 11.38%. That 20 basis point difference is probably just due to infinite vs 6 deck, though I wouldn't expect a difference much larger than that.

However at 3.96 % your element of risk looks low (mine is 4.93%). If your house edge is 11.17% then your element of risk should be 4.84%. That's a ratio of 13 to 30 since with raises you bet 17 more units (2 x 1 plus 3 x 5) per 13 antes. I just checked the GLI numbers you quoted and they corroborate this ratio.

I assume the reason I'm not agreeing to GLI percentages is because their numbers are for less decks and:or H17.
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June 14th, 2017 at 4:16:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ace

We are quite close on house edge. I have 11.38%. That 20 basis point difference is probably just due to infinite vs 6 deck, though I wouldn't expect a difference much larger than that.

However at 3.96 % your element of risk looks low (mine is 4.93%). If your house edge is 11.17% then your element of risk should be 4.84%. That's a ratio of 13 to 30 since with raises you bet 17 more units (2 x 1 plus 3 x 5) per 13 antes. I just checked the GLI numbers you quoted and they corroborate this ratio.

I assume the reason I'm not agreeing to GLI percentages is because their numbers are for less decks and:or H17.



You're absolutely right again. When I correct for that error I get an element of risk of 4.84% for pay table 4. Thanks again. If you're ever in Vegas, I owe you a beer.
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DogHand
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:49:20 AM permalink
WoO,

Your rule #10 says:

10. If the dealer busts, and the player did raise his Raise the Roof bet, then the original Raise the Roof wager shall pay according to one of the pay tables below, depending on which one management decides to use.

However, this does not say what the payoff is on the "raised" portion of the bet.

Go to: the Colorado dot gov website (sorry, I was unable to post a direct link), then to /pacific/enforcement/laws-and-regulations-gaming-0

Then to section 8, pages 50-52, has the rules for this sidebet where it shows that both the original and the raised wagers are multiplied.

You might want to modify your webpage to clarify this.

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June 15th, 2017 at 12:10:39 PM permalink
Quote: DogHand

WoO,

Your rule #10 says:

10. If the dealer busts, and the player did raise his Raise the Roof bet, then the original Raise the Roof wager shall pay according to one of the pay tables below, depending on which one management decides to use.

However, this does not say what the payoff is on the "raised" portion of the bet.



Thanks. Good catch. I just updated the page to say the Raise bet also is paid according to the pay table.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
IndyJeffrey
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June 16th, 2017 at 4:33:14 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, I hope you're happy, I spent all day on this. Here is my new page on Raise the Roof.



Absolutely. Posts like these are fascinating to me. Thanks to the Wizard and everyone.

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