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TheoHuxtable
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August 11th, 2016 at 4:41:56 PM permalink
There's a BJ side bet at the Harrahs in So Cal which I'd never heard of before nor could I find any info for online. It's called 'Raise the Roof' involves an ante and play wager and is based on the dealer's bust card.

Rules of the Game:
1. Make an ante wager before cards are dealt.
2. After seeing dealer's upcard the player can "Raise the Roof" by placing an additional wager up to 5x the amount of the ante
3. If the dealer busts Ante is paid even money and RTR is paid according to this paytable (pay table?) -

Dealer Bust Card
10................................... Pays 1 to 1
9..................................... Pays 1 to 1
8..................................... Pays 2 to 1
7..................................... Pays 5 to 1
6..................................... Pays 10 to 1
4, 5,6, 7 Unsuited ... Pays 30 to 1
4, 5,6, 7 Suited ........ Pays 300 to 1

4. If the player busts his or her side bet remains in action.

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CasinoKiller
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August 11th, 2016 at 6:39:32 PM permalink
Eliot did the math on this and said its an AP no go. I bet with a 6 and 7 side count someone could beat it
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August 11th, 2016 at 6:51:53 PM permalink
On the two highest paying wins, does the dealer have to have a 4-5-6-7 exactly as his hand? What if there is an ace thrown in there?

In my opinion, "side bet" is two words.
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andysif
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August 11th, 2016 at 7:20:35 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable


2. After seeing dealer's upcard the player can "Raise the Roof" by placing an additional wager up to 5x the amount of the ante



If the player doesn't raise does the ante remain or is it folded.
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August 11th, 2016 at 7:23:44 PM permalink
Quote: CasinoKiller

Eliot did the math on this and said its an AP no go. I bet with a 6 and 7 side count someone could beat it



I asked Eliot about this and he claims to have never heard of this bet. Perhaps you're confusing it with his analysis of Raise it Up Stud.
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Paradigm
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August 11th, 2016 at 7:24:02 PM permalink
If an Ace is in the mix, the cards would have to come 5/6/Ace in some order (assuming H17 rules) and then could only bust if the 4 came next followed by the 7, correct?

I bet this pays as a 7 Bust Card or 5-1 according to the table above.

Here is a rack card Raise The Roof (Score Gaming)
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ChesterDog
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August 11th, 2016 at 10:37:27 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable

...
4, 5,6, 7 Unsuited ... Pays 30 to 1
4, 5,6, 7 Suited ........ Pays 300 to 1
...



Do 4, 5, 7, 6 unsuited and suited also pay 30 to 1 and 300 to 1, respectively?
someone
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August 13th, 2016 at 8:09:57 AM permalink
I did a sim of this and found the strategy is to fold against dealer Ace, raise x5 against dealer 4, 5 or 6, otherwise raise x1. With this I get a HA of about 40.9% with an element of risk of about 14.35%. The sim was run using 8 deck and S17.
ChesterDog
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August 13th, 2016 at 4:41:37 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable

There's a BJ side bet at the Harrahs in So Cal which I'd never heard of before nor could I find any info for online...?



Here are some nice detailed rules.

You can see from the rules, that if the player does not raise, the player does not forfeit the ante, but then the ante only gets paid 1:1 when the dealer busts. However, if the player does raise and the dealer busts, both the ante and the raise are paid the odds.

Also, for the 4, 5, 6, 7 dealer bust, a note says, "Dealer bust total hand. The order in which cards are received does not matter." I think "dealer bust 'total' hand" implies that a dealer hand with an ace would not be paid the high odds.

By the way, for the Harrah's So Cal H17 game, I would raise 5x vs dealer's 4, 5, or 6.
someone
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August 14th, 2016 at 6:20:20 AM permalink
OK after seeing the detailed rules I redid the sim. This time 6 deck,H17 I get HA of approx 6.35%. The strategy is raise 1x against dealer 2 or 3, raise 5x against dealer 4, 5, or 6, don't raise against A, 7, 8, 9, or 10 card.

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