"Lucky Lucky" side bet.

The local casino I go to has this bet. This is not Lucky Ladies but Lucky Lucky. Does anyone know about playing this? What the TC must be to gain an advantage? TIA.

The bet is where certain combinations of cards PLUS the dealer's up card will make certain combinations. For example say you have a 6,7 and the dealer shows an 8 then you would win 30 to 1 or something similar.

I did a forum search for this and couldn't find anything.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#luckylucky

Not sure about the required count, but here's the Wiz's analysis of the game.

Thanks.

Eliot Jacobson has a good page on at AP Heat.

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Eliot Jacobson has a good page on at AP Heat.

I shall read that. Thanks.

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Eliot Jacobson has a good page on at AP Heat.

Good article.
I took a look at it and the problem is yes you can count it but you have to use his count. You can't beat it using HiLo?

The question for the AP is why they are so attached to counting cards at blackjack in the first place. As a blackjack card counter, the AP is vulnerable to decades of experience in game protection, has to play crazy cat-and-mouse games that eat into their playing time, will spend time learning about silly things like the I-18 and floating edge, will confront high variance, and will have a low return even if they are very good. When opportunities for AP arise, the plan should not be to try and fit the opportunity into the skills you have (e.g. use High-Low to beat LL). The correct approach is to evaluate the opportunity with respect to other opportunities and to bring the best tools to the table to beat the best game you can find. If you have to learn something new, then just do it.

I say this not as an AP (I was never very good), but as someone who watches out for the casino side. The casinos focus on blackjack card counting as much as players do. Casinos need to know the vulnerabilities, keep them in perspective, and learn how to protect each according to its true risk. APs should reach for the best opportunity they can. Likewise, casinos should protect against AP opportunities by fully understanding the costs and benefits.

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The question for the AP is why they are so attached to counting cards at blackjack in the first place. As a blackjack card counter, the AP is vulnerable to decades of experience in game protection, has to play crazy cat-and-mouse games that eat into their playing time, will spend time learning about silly things like the I-18 and floating edge, will confront high variance, and will have a low return even if they are very good. When opportunities for AP arise, the plan should not be to try and fit the opportunity into the skills you have (e.g. use High-Low to beat LL). The correct approach is to evaluate the opportunity with respect to other opportunities and to bring the best tools to the table to beat the best game you can find. If you have to learn something new, then just do it.

I say this not as an AP (I was never very good), but as someone who watches out for the casino side. The casinos focus on blackjack card counting as much as players do. Casinos need to know the vulnerabilities, keep them in perspective, and learn how to protect each according to its true risk. APs should reach for the best opportunity they can. Likewise, casinos should protect against AP opportunities by fully understanding the costs and benefits.

Yeah. But can you beat LL using HiLo?

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Yeah. But can you beat LL using HiLo?

Of course not.

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Of course not.

Thanks.

I think the point is, if the game is decent, you should not lose much just playing BS, so you can just count the side bet.

You could also play with a partner, with one of you counting the side bet and the other counting the main game.

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Yeah. But can you beat LL using HiLo?

This shows a fundamental lack of understanding about how card counting works. The Lucky Lucky side bet hits the huge payouts when you hit 678 and 777. Hi-Lo and conventional counting systems either ignore these cards, or count their presence in the deck as bad for the player, preferring lots of 10s and Aces.

How in the holy hell would Hi-Lo ever predict success for Lucky Lucky? Sure you get a small payout on a total of 20, but that is far outweighed by the big payouts. If anything, a negative Hi-Lo count might slightly correlate with success at the LL side bet (although I doubt this correlation would be high at all if it exists).

Take a second and think...otherwise you're not long for the world of AP.

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Yeah. But can you beat LL using HiLo?

You probably shouldn't be counting at all.

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You probably shouldn't be counting at all.

Oh I was just kidding him! I read what he said.

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This shows a fundamental lack of understanding about how card counting works. The Lucky Lucky side bet hits the huge payouts when you hit 678 and 777. Hi-Lo and conventional counting systems either ignore these cards, or count their presence in the deck as bad for the player, preferring lots of 10s and Aces.

How in the holy hell would Hi-Lo ever predict success for Lucky Lucky? Sure you get a small payout on a total of 20, but that is far outweighed by the big payouts. If anything, a negative Hi-Lo count might slightly correlate with success at the LL side bet (although I doubt this correlation would be high at all if it exists).

Take a second and think...otherwise you're not long for the world of AP.

C'mon I was just kidding him.