All mathmatical systems will beat any crap, roulette or other similar game

Quote: gameterror

To make it more visible. Here are the possible results of 3 50/50 events:

LLL = 1/8
LLW = 1/8
LWL = 1/8
LWW = 1/8
WLL = 1/8
WLW = 1/8
WWL = 1/8
WWW = 1/8

No because LLL only has a chance of 1/8 they think if they lost twice in a row and losing 3 times in a row is just so unlikely (1/8) they are due to win. What they don't realize is that their are already at point LL (1/4) and still at a 50/50 chance to either hit LLW or LLL.

And gameterror holes out from the sand for birdie!!! OH MY GOODNESS!

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Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: slackyhacky

Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

There's also something wrong with column L. You have it coded as 2^(corresponding value in column k). I'm not sure what you're trying to do there, but that makes the bankroll go up by 2 for every winning 1 unit bet.

Quote: rdw4potus

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

BOOM. Roasted.

Quote: rdw4potus

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Quote: slackyhacky

Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

There's also something wrong with column L. You have it coded as 2^(corresponding value in column k). I'm not sure what you're trying to do there, but that makes the bankroll go up by 2 for every winning 1 unit bet.

Here, I lose 4 times in a row from the start. I have bets of 1, 2, 4, and 8. After those losses, my bankroll should be 999999, 999997, 999993, and 999985. The negative impact of the 4th loss doesn't seem to be reflected in the simulation.

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Quote: slackyhacky

Come on. That's radiculous.

I got sick of waiting. here is mine.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3eruTU5Xu_jOTg0YjgxMGMtMTk5Yi00NzllLWEzZGUtMGZiNzE0OTE2YTNm

download the file to your desktop so you can look at the formulas and run it as many times as you want.

Hit F9 to refresh. Hit it as many times as you want. the roulette martingale makes money EVERY time. It doesn't take infinite anything. I also have a lay system as well (you need to multiple x3 plus the vig to cover the loss). This doesn't work as well, but OFTEN makes money, but looses a bit sometimes.

OK. Even though I didn't bother to examine the formulas, I tried it.

In the 100 times I hit F9, there were some net profits, and some net losses. Never more than +/- 150,000.

Except for the three times that I lost the entire 10 million!

If you lost 10 mil, you weren't looking in the right place. The roulette sim starts with 1mil, unless you put in your own starting value.

Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: slackyhacky

Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

No, it has the HE in. 20 ways to loose, 18 ways to win. It doesn't matter which is what - they all have the same chance of occurring. Any number 1-18 wins (on my sim), any number 19-38 (20 numbers) looses.

Quote: AcesAndEights

BOOM. Roasted.

Are you sure? Really sure?

Quote: rdw4potus

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Quote: slackyhacky

Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

There's also something wrong with column L. You have it coded as 2^(corresponding value in column k). I'm not sure what you're trying to do there, but that makes the bankroll go up by 2 for every winning 1 unit bet.

Nothing wrong with column L for a loss. It adds 2 for a win...hmmmm, didn't notice that before. Column K counts the number of losses in a row. Thus, each lose the money is doubled. L does this. If you loose 4 times, your bet will be (1,2,4,16). or 2^(# times lost).

Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: slackyhacky

Quote: boymimbo

For all of you who don't want to download this document, it's a craps simulator where the player is laying the 10 and tripling his bet after a loss.

So, if you bet $21, you win $10. If you lose, you bet $63 to win $21. This is over 40,000 rolls, which represents about 400 hours on a craps table or 8 hours a week for a year.

So, after pressing F9 a few times, here's the minimum and maximums in bankroll (starting with a 10,000,000 bankroll)

1. 9,078,106
2. 9,727,625
3. 9,923,911
4. 9,702,425
5. 9,717,499
6. 9,975,735
7. 9,938,614
8. 9,908,321
9. 9,392,203
10. 623,821 (loss of 9.7 million)

In 100 trials, I lost the kitty (all of it) FOUR times.

I have both roulette and craps on there (as I thought I mentioned.)

You've definitely mentioned that. the spreadsheet opens to the craps sim, which is on the right side of the page. I just now noticed that the roulette is there if I scroll left. after looking at it for 5 minutes, it appears that the roulette is coded slightly incorrectly. You have it looking for a random number between 1 and 38, and paying even money on 20 or over. Actual roulette basically looks for a random number between 1 and 38, pays even money on 18 or under, and take's the player's money on 19 or over. 37 and 38 would map to 0 and 00. Your "roulette" sim has no house edge, but the house edge in American roulette is 5.26%.

There's also something wrong with column L. You have it coded as 2^(corresponding value in column k). I'm not sure what you're trying to do there, but that makes the bankroll go up by 2 for every winning 1 unit bet.

Here, I lose 4 times in a row from the start. I have bets of 1, 2, 4, and 8. After those losses, my bankroll should be 999999, 999997, 999993, and 999985. The negative impact of the 4th loss doesn't seem to be reflected in the simulation.

If you add a zero in the formula in K (instead of 1) it fixes it. "=IF(G3+G4>1, 1+K3,0)" instead of "=IF(G3+G4>1, 1+K3,1). Although it makes me win half, as much it still never looses.