What Is a Winning System/Method
Quote: EvenBobToo bad this is not hit and run. It's make your goal and leave.
If someone could please explain the difference between "run" from the casino and "leave" the casino or "make your goal" vs. "hit" it would be greatly appreciated.
For my part it kind of sounds like the difference between me going to the movies versus me going to the cinema. Those two are worlds apart as well.
If I had a legit winning roulette system I would never mention it in the first place.Quote: EvenBobI had to LOL at that one. Yeah, the first thing you should do if you get a winning method is share it with the world to make sure it works properly. That's the ticket..
I doubt it, but even if they did, they wouldn't care. It would take a seriously large amount of winning for them to even wonder if something wasn't right. On the off chance that they considered you a serious threat to their bottom line, there are a vast amount of casinos you can move onto.Quote: EvenBobI could stay and keep playing and leave with $1,300 instead of $300. You think they would remember me if I did that a few times? How is that in any way in my favor to draw attention to myself.
Quote: EvenBobIt's all about how big your edge is over the casino. Your edge at counting cards is what, 1%? That's not an edge, it's a hickup.
It’s a lot more than what you win:
Quote: EvenBobFor me, the ultimate system/method would be to have a goal of say $300, bet the $300, win and walk away.
Quote: EvenBobIt's all about how big your edge is over the casino. Your edge at counting cards is what, 1%? That's not an edge, it's a hickup.
Those big buildings dont come from casinos giving away money. Who was that said, "you dont make money, you earn it."
I dont concerm myself with thresholds. Advantages? Yes.
No, I dont think shoes can be beat. 6.5 is ripoff. The uprising should be the same.
Quote: AxelWolfIf I had a legit winning roulette system I would never mention it in the first place.
I agree. When I first started with this I was not a roulette player. I just assumed this was a way to beat roulette and everybody was doing it. So in 2006 I brought it up at Gamble's Glen and people went bananas calling me names swearing at me telling me I was a liar, and at the same time they wanted to know the exact details of what I was doing. Not being a total idiot I realized I might be onto something but by then it was too late. Now I was that deluded roulette guy and here we are today. Should have just kept my mouth shut.
Quote: AxelWolfI doubt it, but even if they did, they wouldn't care.
You live in Vegas. You have no idea how much they sweat the money in some of these Indian casinos. If I lived in Vegas I would never give a thought to anything, I would sit there and play and play and play. I don't live in Vegas.
You gotta be in the trenches actually doing it to know for sure how it all pans out. Then it's a matter of actual history versus theory.
Quote: MDawg
You gotta be in the trenches actually doing it to know for sure how it all pans out.
You cannot take a Vegas attitude into a local Indian casino. If you go there on a regular basis they get to know you and they know how you play. It's like a small town where everybody knows everybody. The best way to play is wait for the dealer to take a break, hopefully make your goal before he gets back. And if you don't when the dealer gets back he doesn't know what's happened when he was gone. They don't even know what I bought in for because I never buy in. I always take chips home with me and use them the next time I'm there. I just sit down and start playing and nobody ever says a word because I'm not there very long and I don't bet every spin. Even better is a crowded table and I just lean in and place my bet and nobody ever questions where you got the chips from. Baccarat is a different story. I have to sit and play and it takes much longer to make my goal.
Quote: EvenBobThe best way to play is wait for the dealer to take a break, hopefully make your goal before he gets back. And if you don't when the dealer gets back he doesn't know what's happened when he was gone. They don't even know what I bought in for because I never buy in.
Wait a minute!
You don't buy in? You just play when the dealer goes on break and he doesn't even know what has happened?
Yep, that might be a winning system. Play when the dealer isn't there. You spin the ball as well, EB, or just grab the chips?
I understand why you like to leave the casino so fast. Might get caught. That type of action invites jail terms.
Quote: EvenBobActually they both work extremely well under the right circumstances. If you know what you're doing.
Aye, there's the rub. Only the Venusians and residents of Betelgeuse know what they're doing. That explains it. Although there's a rumor that the prehistoric pygmies of Flores cracked the code, but it drove them mad...and extinct.
In any event, we meandering Homo sapiens are left to wonder, "What exactly is the difference between quitting when ahead and pausing when ahead?" I mean, "quitting" means quitting. If you come back and take up the task again, you didn't quit the task. You paused it. So "pausing" seems like the proper verb here. And if pausing helps one win, then we get into the issue of the reality and nature of time itself.
Marvel's Loki TV show is currently broaching these questions about the nature of time and winning,
Pausing as a strategy is not often found in the gambling literature. I look forward to figuring this all out with Loki as my guide.
Quote: TomGThis is interesting, it seems to be suggesting that several bets with a negative value can be added to together to produce a positive value. We know that is not possible, so there must be something else. Since you mention roulette and baccarat, something about the game must change for their to be $300 in value for the player a player. I am guessing it is not the payouts, red and black still pay out even money, inside numbers payout 35-for-1, etc. If my guess is correct, does that mean the probability of different numbers hitting on the roulette wheel change? For example, red or black might have a better then 50% chance, or a number might have a better than 2.7% chance. That would be very interesting if that is the case
Tom, you might be interested in this old thread of EB's where he discusses having a 50% chance of selecting the winning dozen. It's a doozy of a rabbit hole. He discussed the theoretical situation where...
Quote: EvenBobAs stated in the first post, all THREE dozens
win FIFTY PERCENT of the time. 50-50-50.
Quote: EvenBobI've been told on another forum that indeed, if you're a good guesser of the next outcome you could have a 50% chance on each dozen. However, the probability has to be figured out empirically, and not theoretically. Problem solved.
Enjoy that thread: It's comedy gold.
Quote: EvenBobThe best way to play is wait for the dealer to take a break, hopefully make your goal before he gets back.... And if you don't when the dealer gets back he doesn't know what's happened when he was gone.
Quote:I never buy in. I always take chips home with me and use them the next time I'm there. ... and I just lean in and place my bet and nobody ever questions where you got the chips from.
Quote: billryanYou bring your own chips to the roulette table?
It's getting clearer now.
EvenBob's Method..... Take a handful of [potato?] chips from home to the casino. Play only while the dealer is taking a break? Win with them. Cash out the ones he brought to the casino and take home the real ones that he won $:o)
And, he can even do it on-line.!!!!
How exactly does one play while the dealer is taking a break?
I'l have a pint of what he's having
No thanks. I'm more likely to take advice from Gerald.*Quote: EvenBobLet me wise you up.
Quote:When I play an RNG game of roulette run by a computer I have no win rate because I never get ahead for very long. In other words it's rigged. You would never be able to tell the difference because like everybody else you don't have any of the games beaten. It is so rigged that it's laughably ridiculous.
RNG games COULD be rigged. Nonetheless let me wise you up: Like everybody else you don't have any of the games beaten.
On that we can agree.Quote:It is hilarious to listen to these people making comments on the live tables that the results are rigged.
* My pet unicorn
Quote: billryanYou bring your own chips to the roulette table?
No, I bring the casinos chips. I don't have any of my own, that would be illegal.
Quote: OnceDear
RNG games COULD be rigged.
Ya think? I know for a fact they are rigged. I have been saying this for years. They are so rigged it's a laughable joke. But it's a joke on you because to you it will always be just a theory, you will never be able to experience it first hand like I do. The gaming industry is full of fakes and charlatans and the really funny thing is,, you think I'm one of them. LOL
That's a big accusation. You won't ever prove it though.Quote: EvenBobI know for a fact they are rigged.
I don't think you are a fake or a charlatan. I recognise you as a few other things, but I'm not here to insult you.Quote:The gaming industry is full of fakes and charlatans and the really funny thing is,, you think I'm one of them. LOL
referring to RNG games
Quote: EvenBobYa think? I know for a fact they are rigged. I have been saying this for years. They are so rigged it's a laughable joke LOL
Quote: OnceDearThat's a big accusation. You won't ever prove it though.
it's just one of many outrageous claims that he makes about all sorts of things that he can't prove -
he, along with others that do this are hoping people will believe them just because they are posted somewhere or spoken somewhere
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Oh, my bad, Target and leave,
Shouldn't this fiasco of make believe be hidden from view?
Quote: EvenBobNo, I bring the casinos chips. I don't have any of my own, that would be illegal.
I've never seen a roulette table that would allow that. Roulette chips have no value outside of that particular table. you can't take chips from one table to another, let alone take them home and re-introduce them to a table on your next visit.
Quote: OnceDearTom, you might be interested in this old thread of EB's where he discusses having a 50% chance of selecting the winning dozen. It's a doozy of a rabbit hole. He discussed the theoretical situation where...
Enjoy that thread: It's comedy gold.
Couldn't read too much of it right now, but it seems to be complete nonsense from the very beginning:
Quote: EvenBobLets say theoretically you have a 50% of getting one dozen right. If you add 50+50 you get 100, and I know that's not correct for the chance of getting one right. So how do you do the math to figure the chance of getting one right.
EB, let's just get rid of the theoretical part. What is an example of a bet you make at roulette? What is the probability of it winning? And what is the payout? If those are any different than what is usually reported, what makes your bets so special? If you can't answer those questions, then it is obvious the reason you intentionally limit profits to around the lowest level possible is because the bets you make at roulette are absolutely not part of a winning method.
Quote: EvenBobSo in 2006 I brought it up at Gamble's Glen and people went bananas calling me names swearing at me telling me I was a liar, and at the same time they wanted to know the exact details of what I was doing.
Bringing up drama from other forums has absolutely nothing to do with a winning method. Your claims come across as combining negative bets into a positive result. Then when asked to provide more details you refuse, instead making hundreds of thousands of posts talking about everything except the most basic details about this method. Which is why it is so obvious it is not a winning method, thus proving those people at the other forum correct when they called you those names.
Quote: billryanI've never seen a roulette table that would allow that. Roulette chips have no value outside of that particular table. you can't take chips from one table to another, let alone take them home and re-introduce them to a table on your next visit.
Correct. In our casinos the actual value gaming token would have to be placed on top of the corresponding toke color adjacent to the wheel for the dealer to be able to color up any in play tokes. If a player managed to pocket some tokes from the table and return (Not bathroom break) like next shift or day later, those tokes would be worthless, if the actual gaming toke was removed from the stacks of chips identifying what the toke denomination was set at.
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Quote: billryanI've never seen a roulette table that would allow that. Roulette chips have no value outside of that particular table. you can't take chips from one table to another, let alone take them home and re-introduce them to a table on your next visit.
Every casino I have been to let’s you use regular chips to bet outside on roulette.
Quote: unJonEvery casino I have been to let’s you use regular chips to bet outside on roulette.
Yes, casinos will accept all regular actual denomination tokes, inside or outside, of course within table limits.
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Expect crickets. He has nothing to tell.Quote: TomGCouldn't read too much of it right now, but it seems to be complete nonsense from the very beginning:
EB, let's just get rid of the theoretical part. What is an example of a bet you make at roulette? What is the probability of it winning? And what is the payout? If those are any different than what is usually reported, what makes your bets so special?
The bets that he makes have the same payout as marked on the table. But EvenBob's method gives him a higher probability of success than are determined by the physics of the game, or of the universe. E.g. He would only bet on Black when he knew that the probability of black is >50%
He doesn't mention it often, but he uses the same method for baccarat.
Note also his recent claim to play online live dealer games. But still he can't be bothered to exploit it.
It's all of no consequence. It's just about the attention/reaction.
Quote: ChumpChangeWhat's the maximum number of chips you can bet on the inside and again on the outside? If I'm running some progression from 6 to 60 chips they won't all fit in the betting square.
Chips stack 60 high quite easily.
Quote: Marcusclark66Yes, casinos will accept all regular actual denomination tokes, inside or outside, of course within table limits.
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Inside also but only with attention that EB would seem to not want to draw and usually only if no one else is betting inside with the same denomination.
Quote: OnceDear
Enjoy that thread: It's comedy gold.
OMG!!!! That thread should be mandatory reading before reading any of Bob’s other 25k posts. Then you will know the (lack of) value of any subsequent post!
Quote: OnceDearExpect crickets. He has nothing to tell.
The bets that he makes have the same payout as marked on the table. But EvenBob's method gives him a higher probability of success than are determined by the physics of the game, or of the universe. E.g. He would only bet on Black when he knew that the probability of black is >50%
He doesn't mention it often, but he uses the same method for baccarat.
Note also his recent claim to play online live dealer games. But still he can't be bothered to exploit it.
It's all of no consequence. It's just about the attention/reaction.
Professor Scott Steiner could explain it best.
Bob has a 50% chance of winning when betting on the first dozen, and a 50% chance of winning on the second dozen. Now the third dozen is only going to win one third of the time so you add his two 50% chances to the fact that the third dozen will lose 66% of the time and we see that Bob has a 166% chance of winning.
Even if he only wins 1/3 of the time, he will win 33% on the first dozen, and 33% on the second dozen. As the third dozen will also win 1/3 of the time, we add up the 1/3rd chance that Column A wins, plus the 1/3rd chance of Column B, and the 2/3rds chance that Column C will not win and we get a subtotal of 4/3rd or 1.33. Now we subtract the 1/3 chance of Column C winning and we see that EB is left with a 100% of winning.
Quote: KeeneoneThis thread is peak EB! Well done sir! Tip of the hat to you!
In essence he is "trawling" the forum?
LOL..... No penalty for implying 'trolling behavior.' But let's not repeat that 'potential insult'Quote: darkozQuote: KeeneoneThis thread is peak EB! Well done sir! Tip of the hat to you!
In essence he is "trawling" the forum?
This thread is, as a great wizard once said 'Just EvenBob being EvenBob, doing what EvenBob does'
Personally, I commend EvenBob for this thread. He spent a while thinking of what to post ( evidenced by his posting delay) and then he threw his bait #25,000.
We fools then engaged with him.
He's a grand master at yanking our chains. And spouting [Insert expletive] nonsense about his winning 'method'.
I did find it amusing that time he pulled up MDawg for spouting similar nonsense about his own prowess at winning. Almost like there's only room for one [insert derogatory term] in this [Insert term that means 'a small waterlogged patch of land']
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Sub Note.. I'm suspending oncedear for three days for this post, unless forgiven by Wizard.
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Quote: OnceDearThat's a big accusation. You won't ever prove it though.
I have proven it to myself over and over and over in the last eight or nine years. Why would I need to prove it to anyone else. Why would I care where you spend your money. That's why I hate wising people up, they never appreciate it. Like you right now.
"I recognise you as a few other things"
Right back at attcha..
Quote: OnceDear
Note for new members.
This thread discusses theories about 'winning systems' for games of chance, that the forum administrators deem to be nonsense. Read for amusement only.
Sub Note.. I'm suspending oncedear for three days for this post, unless forgiven by Wizard.
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What new members? As we know WOV for some years now consists of about a dozen actives arguing with each other. It's just that who those dozen are rotates at times.
Quote: OnceDear
RNG games COULD be rigged.
Could be rigged and are rigged, of that I am 100% certain and have been for years. But it always falls on deaf ears because so many people love being beaten by those games. Each to his own..
Quote: billryanI've never seen a roulette table that would allow that. Roulette chips have no value outside of that particular table.
Why in God's name would I take roulette chips home. I said I take casino chips home. You know the difference. right?
Quote: unJonEvery casino I have been to let’s you use regular chips to bet outside on roulette.
BINGO! And that's all I ever bet on, never made an inside roulette bet in my life. The inside has sucker written all over it. All I ever bet on is the even chances. This is not news, ask anybody who's been following me for years.
Quote: SOOPOOOMG!!!! That thread should be mandatory reading
There is a secret in that thread that you'll never figure out. LOL
Quote: OnceDear
Note for new members.
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Please enlighten me. What could a newcomer glean from this thread that could possibly hurt him. No stairs to fall down, no sharp objects here. Just good clean fun.
Quote: EvenBobWhy would I need to prove it to anyone else.
Good question. Only you could answer for why have you felt a need to spend so much time and effort over the past 15 years describing and defending your roulette method.
Quote: EvenBobBINGO! And that's all I ever bet on, never made an inside roulette bet in my life. The inside has sucker written all over it. All I ever bet on is the even chances. This is not news, ask anybody who's been following me for years.
Why do your even money bets have a greater than 50% chance of winning, while everyone else who bets them only win 48.65% of the time? Until you can explain that, it is quite obvious to everyone that you are simply claiming that making multiple negative expected bets can lead to a positive result. Which explains why you admit that you have chosen to win almost nothing from your so-called "Winning method".
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Quote: TomGGood question. Only you could answer for why have you felt a need to spend so much time and effort over the past 15 years describing and defending your roulette method.
It makes me think, it keeps me sharp. I discuss this nowhere else with no one. I have tried to describe it to at least two qualified math people, both of them math teachers in fact. But because it involves probability math neither one would even listen for 30 seconds. They look at probability math as being Voodoo math. One of them even called it that. It's almost like they wanted to put their fingers in their ears and hum loudly so they couldn't hear a word I was saying. Pretty funny when I think about it.
Quote: TomGWhy do your even money bets have a greater than 50% chance of winning, while everyone else who bets them only win 48.65% of the time?
Why did Annie Oakley never miss? She could do incredible things with a gun, unbelievable things. What did she have that nobody else had. This is easy, don't overthink it.
Quote: Caron36.Quote: rule 16If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer.
Most of my 25000 posts are about nothing. Very little content, there's no 'there' there.
Quote: EvenBobWhy did Annie Oakley never miss? She could do incredible things with a gun, unbelievable things. What did she have that nobody else had. This is easy, don't overthink it.Quote: TomGWhy do your even money bets have a greater than 50% chance of winning, while everyone else who bets them only win 48.65% of the time?
Your inability to answer such a simply question, along with your choice to earn virtually no profits, is just further confirmation that your claims of "winning method" is trolling.
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As for Annie Oakley, the reason she was such a good shot was eye sight, breath control, body control, and practice. That has nothing to do with why your bets are so much more special than everyone else who plays roulette.
Quote: EvenBobMost of my 25000 posts are about nothing. Very little content, there's no 'there' there.
So what you are saying is, that 25,000 posts is relatively easy?
Look at all the time, thought, follow up and related affiliated with all the Thousands of Thousands of continual posts!
Good job EvenBob!
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