James Grosjean's Roulette Progression System

July 12th, 2012 at 8:10:10 PM permalink
teliot
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I was reading Beyond Counting today and stumbled upon this gem:
Quote: James Grosjean, Beyond Counting page 159
Start your sequence with a bet of 1 unit. Then, decrease your bet by 1 unit after each win, loss or push. It will come as no surprise to experts in this field that table limits are anathema to this progression.
He stated that this progression also works for blackjack. He then goes on to propose a stronger system:
Quote:
... initialize the sequence with a bet of 0 units ... this system has the highest expectation and lowest variance of any progression ever devised.
Grosjean credits Ken Fuchs with originating this progression.
afk
July 12th, 2012 at 8:53:25 PM permalink
EvenBob
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Quote: teliot
I was reading Beyond Counting today and stumbled upon this gem:He stated that this progression also works for blackjack. He then goes on to propose a stronger system:Grosjean credits Ken Fuchs with originating this progression.


You don't even have to get out of your car to play it.
Stay in the parking lot..
"I've been around people and I've been around dogs. I prefer dogs.." Charles De Gaulle
July 13th, 2012 at 4:21:46 AM permalink
heather
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Huh. Start with a bet of one unit, lower to a bet of zero units regardless of resolution. But he doesn't say to do it once, he says to reduce by one unit with each resolved bet. So after the zero unit bet you bet -1 units, which means, what, the casino writes a check to you in the betting circle? Marker for a single, table-minimum chip? The problem with this is, if the house lets you do it, sooner or later you'll start owing them comps.

I was actually thinking about Grosjean the other day. I did learn something interesting from him: If you get arrested and booked as a John Doe, you can't get bail, even if you come forward with your real info after booking. I tend to trust him on that because it happened to him (I forget if it was the Caesars hole-carding bust or the Imperial Palace wandered-onto-the-gaming-floor bust).
July 13th, 2012 at 6:18:08 AM permalink
teliot
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Quote: heather
Huh. Start with a bet of one unit, lower to a bet of zero units regardless of resolution. But he doesn't say to do it once, he says to reduce by one unit with each resolved bet. So after the zero unit bet you bet -1 units, which means, what, the casino writes a check to you in the betting circle? Marker for a single, table-minimum chip? The problem with this is, if the house lets you do it, sooner or later you'll start owing them comps.

This is exactly why he made his statement about table limits.
afk
July 13th, 2012 at 7:46:33 AM permalink
Ibeatyouraces
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Quote: EvenBob
You don't even have to get out of your car to play it.
Stay in the parking lot..

This is the best way to play any -EV game.
"Shut up Meg." Peter Griffin, Family Guy

 

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