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Their game; their rules. Fairness is irrelevant.



tuttigym

Their game; their rules. Fairness is irrelevant.



tuttigym

Double post was unintentional. Sorry.



tuttigym

some casinos reject coverage of more than 2/3 of the numbers, especially when working through wagering requirements of a bonus.

If the game is fair with random 1/37 or 1/38 outcome, they are stupid and doing neither harm nor favour.

My local roulette machine has a $3 minimum bet and a $500 maximum bet (but lower maximum bets for higher than 1:1 bet payouts, gotta keep wins less than $1200 per spin). I tried betting just red or black, then too many greens showed up and i fell behind. My way to get back to even was to bet $6 on each of two different dozens and $3 on a double street, so each win would be $3 with 30 numbers covered. Your post didn't quite mention this type of bet, but that's what I'm doing. To make it a $1 bet per number, that'd be a $12 bet on each of two dozens and $6 on a double street and each win would be $6 with 30 numbers covered.

I haven't tried mixing the bets.



I don't know when the next time I can get out there, but I will update this post with that strategy.



With regards to the limitations being their rules, I still feel its kind of unfair, not so much as far as odds go, because that's dependent on the payout scale, but rather just having the freedom to bet anything. And to clarify about what I was doing, I was not attempting to play bonus money, the machine wouldn't even allow for downloads of any free play or use any free play or bonus money or credits onto the machine. Rather I was just using plain ol' cash.

Are these concurrent bets, or there are simply bets that cannot be placed?

They are concurrent bets.



In New Orleans, the Harrah's New Orleans casino, the Interblock Roulette machine, blocks the 27th bet. I can bet any 26 numbers at $0.25 or whatever denomination, but then the 27th number is stopped and blocked. The message is "Bet is not allowed".



I then tried betting the 1st (1-12), 2nd (13-24), and 3rd (25-36) bets; only to find they limit my bet to only 2 of those 3. So for example, I can only bet 1st 12 and 3rd 12 and i cannot bet any further. The long column bets are the same way. 2 of the 3 columns are allowed, but cannot bet all 3.



The same thing happened on the street bets and double street bets. The street bets or row bets i can only bet a maximum of 8 of the 12 rows of numbers (1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 25-27, etc.). The double street bets/ line bets which consists of 6 numbers (1-6, 7-12, etc.) I can only bet up to 4 of the 6 possible double street/line bets.



Of course, the even money bets, I'm only allowed to bet on only 1 of the 2 even money bets.



The one thing, I didn't try was to mix the bets. Next time I'm there I will try maybe 1st third bet, with 4 street/row bets in the middle 3rd section (13-24), and then individually bet 25-36 numbers to see if the machine still restricts my bet types.



If someone is in the area, and is able to try this strategy, please feel free to update us.

"The one thing, I didn't try was to mix the bets. Next time I'm there I will try maybe 1st third bet, with 4 street/row bets in the middle 3rd section (13-24), and then individually bet 25-36 numbers to see if the machine still restricts my bet types. "



sure, why not? 



I occurs to me from that comment that maybe you are thinking there is some magic winning formula that they are preventing you from catching on to. We know that's not possible, because no combination of bets that each have an edge can result in an overall combination that sets up the player to win. 



So why do casinos sometimes do these things? Well, mostly it's a misplaced concern they have that the player reduces his variance by combining various bets. The casino management may think the house only wins when people lose big [even though sometimes they win big]. But I think mostly their error in thinking is that they also imagine that the player loses less if his variance is less. This is patently false btw. The casino actually operates better with low variance and loses no money due to it, all other things being equal. Oddly we have to get used to the idea that casino management is full of people who don't understand these things. 



Somebody mentioned players who want to cash out their freeplay with low variance schemes. But as discussed above, this is also misplaced concern. Perhaps they discourage some APs, making that cashout process difficult, but I doubt that's the sort of thing that works to do that.

I know that the last time I played an interblock roulette machine, my companion was able to bet all 38 numbers. (I tried to explain it to her. We have since broken up.) It is certainly possible that interblock has changed their software in the intervening years.



I expect that it is a casino selectable option.

I don't see it as more or less fair than a craps dealer telling a player they can't play doey-don't.

"I occurs to me from that comment that maybe you are thinking there is some magic winning formula that they are preventing you from catching on to. We know that's not possible, because no combination of bets that each have an edge can result in an overall combination that sets up the player to win."



We all know the odds are always in the house favor. Just surprised by the restriction. On a regular table or the other electronic roulette games, you are able to make opposite bets on the even money bets or play every type of bet freely. It's more so the freedom to play any bet and cover any number to type of bets acrosse the board as one would on a table or the other electronic roulette games.







"So why do casinos sometimes do these things? Well, mostly it's a misplaced concern they have that the player reduces his variance by combining various bets. The casino management may think the house only wins when people lose big [even though sometimes they win big]. But I think mostly their error in thinking is that they also imagine that the player loses less if his variance is less. This is patently false btw. The casino actually operates better with low variance and loses no money due to it, all other things being equal. Oddly we have to get used to the idea that casino management is full of people who don't understand these things. "



Perhaps





"Somebody mentioned players who want to cash out their freeplay with low variance schemes. But as discussed above, this is also misplaced concern. Perhaps they discourage some APs, making that cashout process difficult, but I doubt that's the sort of thing that works to do that."



It's perhaps a way to stop AP from cleverly redeeming free play as cash, but the crazy thing is the machine has a download feature on the touch screen. You can only download your free play through your players card. Since they already disallow you from downloading free play onto the electronic roulette, the bet restriction to deter AP's from making bets to redeem free play as cash is pointlesss.

Yes, just "perhaps".

But I remember the first time I saw the 'doey-don't' at Craps, where you bet the Pass and the Don't Pass at the same time, but only put the odds on one side. I thought that was brilliant, it looks like that. But it favors the house as opposed to betting only one side, since you have to make 2 bets both with a house edge where you could have made only one. You crush the variance, but then bring it back with the odds bet. I just keep picturing the management also just thinking it's not good for them with this kind of thing. They are zeroed in, I think, on 'hold' and see this as interfering with taking all the player's money, which is what they want. They may also think the comps aren't earned [they are]



'Perhaps' ... yes I'd like to know what they really think, and don't.

Just found one of the newer style interblock stadium placements.

It too had this limitation.

Can you elaborate on your experience Dieter?



Was the limitation similar to my experience in New Orleans? Where did you go?

I had placed two bets on thirds. When I tried to place a bet on the third third, it was not accepted as valid.



I did not try placing a bunch of straight bets or street bets to see if they would be accepted.



I prefer my whereabouts to.remain ambiguous, but it was not in Louisiana this time.

Possibly of interest:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36583-free-play-doesnt-last-forever/14/#post857949