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February 2nd, 2012 at 11:34:37 AM permalink
SanchoPanza
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Quote: pacomartin
I don't understand the Chinese fascination with Baccarat. If you are going to grind away all day, why not play craps with full odds. The probability of doubling your money before going bankrupt is much higher than Baccarat.

It could have something to do with the number 8 being so lucky in Chinese culture.
February 2nd, 2012 at 11:49:57 AM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Quote: pacomartin
I don't understand the Chinese fascination with Baccarat.
Neither do I.

Then again, I don't understand ANYONE's fascination with slots, Big Six, Casino War, or any side bet. But there are plenty of people that play those games.
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood?
February 2nd, 2012 at 12:38:36 PM permalink
mustangsally
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Quote: pacomartin
Which is why I don't understand the Chinese fascination with Baccarat. If you are going to grind away all day, why not play craps with full odds. The probability of doubling your money before going bankrupt is much higher than Baccarat.
Chinese Bac players, or Asian Bac players actually, I am one, do not "grind away" in Baccarat.

We follow "roads" as a trigger to bet BIG!

We bet for streaks to continue. Positive betting progressions.
Banker streaks.
Most cuss out the dealer if the Player has more and or longer streaks than the Banker during a shoe.

You a white Bac player betting for a Player win streak to continue, you will get some evil stares and some non-English words fired at you by us Asians.

It is actually very entertaining to watch.
But do not tell my Mom about this.
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February 2nd, 2012 at 12:57:31 PM permalink
s2dbaker
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Yay!! Wheels on the ground at McCarran.
February 8th, 2012 at 3:54:46 AM permalink
s2dbaker
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Quote: s2dbaker
Yay!! Wheels on the ground at McCarran.
Boo! wheels on the ground at JFK.
February 8th, 2012 at 8:20:52 AM permalink
pacomartin
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Quote: mustangsally
Chinese Bac players, or Asian Bac players actually, I am one, do not "grind away" in Baccarat.

You a white Bac player betting for a Player win streak to continue, you will get some evil stares and some non-English words fired at you by us Asians.


Well, since you can do the calculations, given that Main Street Station has 20X odds on a minimum of $5 bet in craps, what is the probability that you will double $2000 before going bankrupt? Do it for pass and don't pass. Now do the same thing for baccarat, with a maximum bet of $100 (you can bet on banker and nobody will root for the player).
Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear
April 4th, 2012 at 7:09:22 PM permalink
mustangsally
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Quote: pacomartin
Well, since you can do the calculations, given that Main Street Station has 20X odds on a minimum of $5 bet in craps, what is the probability that you will double $2000 before going bankrupt? Do it for pass and don't pass.

added: I used 3 methods to find the probability of doubling a $2000 bankroll before ruin.
1. simulation
2. RoR formula (exponential method)
RoR formulas
3. even-money equivalents: a concept by Peter Griffin so the simple Gambler's Ruin formula can be used.
50-50 and Even-Money Equivalent Bets

Pass Line
$5 and 20X Odds
avg bet = 71.67
ev = -0.07 ((-7/495)*$5)
sd = 104.0
1. Sim Win goal was met . . . = 48.417% of the time ( 484167)
2. RoR formula (Blackjack Attack) Prob of success 49.8693%
3. RoR even-money equivalents: Prob of success 49.3464%
Bet: 104.0044191
Prob of winning: 0.499660077

Don't Pass Line
$5 and 20X Odds (4&10 $200 to win $100, 5&9 $150 to win $100, 6&8 $120 to win $100)
avg bet = $105.00

natural 5 0.333333333 1.666666667
410 205 0.166666667 34.16666667
59 155 0.222222222 34.44444444
68 125 0.277777778 34.72222222
1 105

ev = -0.07
sd = 104.0
1. Sim Win goal was met . . . = 48.696% of the time ( 486958)
2. RoR formula (Blackjack Attack) Prob of success 49.8693%
3. RoR even-money equivalents: Prob of success 49.3464%
Bet: 104.0044191
Prob of winning: 0.499660077
Quote: pacomartin
Now do the same thing for baccarat, with a maximum bet of $100 (you can bet on banker and nobody will root for the player).

Banker Bet in Baccarat
avg bet = 100
ev = -$1.17
sd = $97.49
1. Sim Win goal was met . . . = 38.13% of the time
2. RoR formula (Blackjack Attack) Prob of success 37.9415%
3. RoR even-money equivalents: Prob of success 37.9426%
Bet: $97.50
Prob of winning: 0.49400436

note:
The higher the sd without the ev increasing (line bets with high odds multiples) is what causes the RoR formula results to increase their error rates next to the fact that the formulas do not take into consideration overshooting barriers and high average bets to low win goals.
But they are very close within 5 to 10%.
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April 5th, 2012 at 8:41:16 AM permalink
teddys
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Can you summarize what the above results mean? They look interesting but I cannot parse them.
"If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss..." -Rudyard Kipling
April 5th, 2012 at 11:35:50 AM permalink
mustangsally
Member since: Mar 29, 2011
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Quote: teddys
Last time I was in Vegas, I took $1,000 to the craps table at Casino Royale and my friend matched it. We played $5 craps with 100 times odds. We were either going to walk away rich or go broke very quickly. Guess what happened? (I'm still here :p).
My BF asked me this question recently, the chances of winning big with small bets, large odds and small bankrolls.

At first, I thought almost impossible to win any kind of money.
But simulations and RoR formulas show a different, and surprising story, at least to me.

Simulation results (100,000 players)
parameters:
$2000 bankroll
$5 pass line bet
100X odss bet
Hit Win goal or bust

Win goal to quit session= 500
Win goal was met . . . = 71.652% of the time ( 71652)
Win goal to quit session= 1,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 59.565% of the time ( 59565)
Win goal to quit session= 2,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 44.909% of the time ( 44909)
Win goal to quit session= 5,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 26.192% of the time ( 26192)
Win goal to quit session= 10,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 15.419% of the time ( 15419)
Win goal to quit session= 20,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 8.402% of the time ( 8402)
Win goal to quit session= 50,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 3.680% of the time ( 3680)
Win goal to quit session= 100,000.00
Win goal was met . . . = 1.729% of the time ( 1729)

About 14% of the players busted out by 30 rolls
About 47% of the players busted out by 100 rolls


My old computer died, so I am setting up my new one.
There went my raise $$$.
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