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May 31st, 2017 at 12:20:27 AM permalink
I read the entire activation email after I registered here and I definitely don't want to be ridiculed, so I want to state right now that this is NOT a betting system question! I'm only asking if there is a roulette bet or a combination of roulette bets that gives you at least a 1 unit profit with each spin of the wheel all the way up until the ball lands on zero. Is there a "only lose money if it lands on zero" bet or combination of bets?

Edit: Oh God I spelled profitable wrong. Now I'll look like a noob and an idiot as well. If a mod sees this will you correct my typo? It looks like I can't change the title from here.
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May 31st, 2017 at 1:31:51 AM permalink
If you have the patience to find a wheel that has landed on red ten times in a row, and then lands on single or double zero, then subsequently lands on the OTHER zero right after, and then you bet on all the black numbers, it's a guarantee that you will have a very genuine probability of winning 75% of the next ten spins.

The math supports my statement, without a doubt.
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May 31st, 2017 at 1:34:07 AM permalink
Hi and welcome.
You asked two different questions:-
1, ".... a 1 unit profit with each spin ...." That's a profitable bet.
2, "....a "only lose money if it lands on zero" bet ..." That's a non-losing bet.
They are not the same question because of the option to "Neither win nor lose with certainty and get my stake back" which fits version 2 but not version 1

To version 1. No there isn't
To version 2. Yes, there are many

There are bets with zero win - zero loss guaranteed if zeros don't ever hit?: Eg, 1 bet on red and one on black or 1 bet on all 3 columns or one bet on every number at the same time.
Eliminating the zeros just makes it a 0 house edge, neutral game.
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May 31st, 2017 at 1:37:01 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

If you have the patience to find a wheel that has landed on red ten times in a row, and then lands on single or double zero, then subsequently lands on the OTHER zero right after, and then you bet on all the black numbers, it's a guarantee that you will have a very genuine probability of winning 75% of the next ten spins.

The math supports my statement, without a doubt.

Guaranteed in as much as klimate will say 'Wow, Sorry dude' If it ever happens that you lose your entire wealth on that wager.
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May 31st, 2017 at 1:51:29 AM permalink
Quote: There's Something About Mary



Hitchhiker: You heard of this thing, the 8-Minute Abs?

Ted: Yeah, sure, 8-Minute Abs. Yeah, the excercise video.

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Ted: Right. Yes. OK, all right. I see where you're going.

Hitchhiker: Think about it. You walk into a video store, you see 8-Minute Abs sittin' there, there's 7-Minute Abs right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?

Ted: I would go for the 7.

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Hitchhiker: If you're not happy with the first 7 minutes, we're gonna send you the extra minute free. You see? That's it. That's our motto. That's where we're comin' from. That's from "A" to "B".

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[Hitchhiker convulses]

Hitchhiker: No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.

Ted: That - good point.

Hitchhiker: 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

Ted: Why?

Hitchhiker: 'Cause you're ****in' fired!


What I'll do is play 33 numbers, and if the other 3 and the zero don't come up, I'll be guaranteed a profit of 2 units.
I am a robot.
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May 31st, 2017 at 1:52:49 AM permalink
There is no bet that meets your requirements.

If you are looking for high win rates you can look at the following bets

1) Bet on 3 units on 1-18 & 2 units on the 3rd dozen. The win would be 1 unit assuming it doesn't hit on the green or 6 numbers in the middle section. That's 79% chance of winning or 81% on European Roulette.

2) Bet on 2 of the dozens and 2 columns you would loose on 3 of the numbers and green. A win here doesn't necessarily mean profitable. 86% chance of a win or 89% on European Roulette.

3) Probably what you should do if you want to win one unit with out loosing your shirt is to bet streaks of colors. Red/black follow the streaks, have a stop loss and win stop number in mind. Don't play too long and don't play a table that doesn't have strong streaks.
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May 31st, 2017 at 2:33:34 AM permalink
Quote: BillionDollar

3) Probably what you should do if you want to win one unit with out loosing your shirt is to bet streaks of colors. Red/black follow the streaks, have a stop loss and win stop number in mind. Don't play too long and don't play a table that doesn't have strong streaks.



Nooooo. Bet one chip on every number except the last one to just land and obviously not on either of the zeros because they are not going to land.

Then you are guaranteed a win of exactly one unit with 97.22% probability *

* I already eliminated those impossible zeros in the calculation.
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May 31st, 2017 at 3:25:03 AM permalink
Fixed your title.

There is no combination of bets that will win a net 1 unit without the zero hitting.

When I must play roulette, which doesn't happen often, I play the James Bond method (Ian Fleming books, not the movie).

Pick the last 2 of 3 hi-mid-low that won before you started, bet them equally. If either wins, you net 1 unit. Once a segment has lost twice, move your bet from that section to the unbet third, but always play 2 sections. Repeat as necessary.

Only play on 1 0 tables, not 0 and 00.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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May 31st, 2017 at 4:30:24 AM permalink
If 0 is never going to show up, offer others 40:1 (or whatever odds you want) on 0. Fade their action. As long as someone bets on 0, you'll make a profit.

If you're on a single 0 game, betting every number but 0 will guarantee you break even every round. Although that certainly doesn't sound good, if you're playing rated, you'll get comps and all sorts of stuff most likely.
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May 31st, 2017 at 5:24:17 AM permalink
I like roulette, though 5.26 percent is rather steep.

What the do at a roulette table is pretty simple, I'll use Red and Black as an example.

If you plunk five dollars down on either red or black and lose they take your five dollars; it it happens that you win, they take $0.26 from your winnings and give you the rest.

I still remember my first trip to Vegas. I shoved all my chips onto '7' to cash out and darned if the next number wasn't 7. Unfortunately when they asked 'are you cashing out' I had said yes.

I was an idiot then; guess I've been losing ground ever since.
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May 31st, 2017 at 10:05:57 AM permalink
They "could" set up a bet where you can profit if any number other than 0 or 00 shows up, and still have a house edge - for example, red and black both pay 101-100, but you have to bet a multiple of 100 to get those odds, so if you bet 100 on red and 100 on black, you win 1 18/19 of the time and lose 200 1/19 of the time (and betting on 0 and/or 00 simultaneously will not guarantee a profit), but it's probably easier, and "more traditional," to keep it the way it is.

Quote: klimate10

If you have the patience to find a wheel that has landed on red ten times in a row, and then lands on single or double zero, then subsequently lands on the OTHER zero right after, and then you bet on all the black numbers, it's a guarantee that you will have a very genuine probability of winning 75% of the next ten spins.

The math supports my statement, without a doubt.


The last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.

If you meant winning on at least 75% of the next ten spins, then there is a "very genuine probability" of that - it's "very genuinely" about 1/26.
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May 31st, 2017 at 10:02:38 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy




The last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.



It's absolutely possible.

Let's test your roulette knowledge.

Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?
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May 31st, 2017 at 10:12:10 PM permalink
I saw a video on YouTube about permutation in roulette by Charlie barley maybe he is telling the truth
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May 31st, 2017 at 11:00:52 PM permalink
Quote: klimate10

It's absolutely possible.

Let's test your roulette knowledge.

Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?


It's that weird French thing I reckon. En prison or something wonky on single 0 roulette.
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June 1st, 2017 at 12:23:09 AM permalink
Quote: RS

It's that weird French thing I reckon. En prison or something wonky on single 0 roulette.







French roulette with La Partage. French roulette can have either En Prison or La Partage.

It's called French roulette, but I've seen it in Vegas. So if negotiating with a host, always insist on La Partage over En Prison.

La Partage has a HE of 1.35%. With La Partage, you get half your bet back immediately.

En Prison has a slightly higher HE at 1.37%-1.38%, depending on number of imprisonment spins, but you either rescue or lose your whole bet (you lose slightly more than half your bet in the long run because the imprisonment spins are not 50/50).

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June 1st, 2017 at 4:29:32 AM permalink
>So if negotiating with a host, always insist on La Partage over En Prison.
Sorry, but at my level of play I only get to negotiate with security guards inside the casino and spare change lugging passersby outside the casino.
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June 1st, 2017 at 6:44:58 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

It's absolutely possible.

Let's test your roulette knowledge.

Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?


The question has already been answered, although I will admit that I was not aware that any casinos in Vegas offered either La Partage or En Prison - I thought that the single-zero wheels were "all bets other than those including the 0 itself lose on 0."

Still, you can't "win" on exactly 7 1/2 spins. Winning half of a bet is not "winning on 1/2 a spin."

Quote: klimate10

The math supports my statement, without a doubt.


I will believe this mysterious math when I see it. Do you have any specific sources?
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June 1st, 2017 at 7:33:17 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy



Still, you can't "win" on exactly 7 1/2 spins. Winning half of a bet is not "winning on 1/2 a spin."



...so you're a glass half empty kind of guy?

Btw, my entire initial paragraph was purposely nonsensical.
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June 1st, 2017 at 8:13:45 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

Btw, my entire initial paragraph was purposely nonsensical.


I'm too used to posters who make statements like that and insist that they're legitimate to make assumptions like that.

Besides - how do you explain that to someone who might be reading WoV for the first time, sees this "75% strategy," and takes it at face value?
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June 1st, 2017 at 9:14:51 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

The last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.

What do you know? Even the most mathematically challenged amongst us agrees with that statement.
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June 1st, 2017 at 9:50:18 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I'm too used to posters who make statements like that and insist that they're legitimate to make assumptions like that.

Besides - how do you explain that to someone who might be reading WoV for the first time, sees this "75% strategy," and takes it at face value?



So if you want to be pedantic about it, then it's arguable that to win seven and tie one, out of ten, is 75%.

However...

Would you have a good day if I told you that you're right? If so, then you're right.

There is peace on earth.

Next topic plz.
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June 1st, 2017 at 1:09:33 PM permalink
I'm sorry if this has already been said. When threads like look like they are about betting systems I tend to just jump to the end.

Let's say there was a zero-zero roulette game. In other words no zeroes, just the numbers 1 to 36. A betting system still couldn't beat that. It couldn't lose to it either.
The expected value of any system in such a game would be exactly zero.
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June 1st, 2017 at 3:31:16 PM permalink
Pretty easy to find video roulette in Las Vegas that gives back 0.1% on all action. Bet 500 units on red and 500 on black and you will win one unit every time zero does not hit
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