DJTeddyBear
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:12:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My lawyer has shown interest already and is looking for a hook to hang our hat on. Surely if there is a "disclose" law there should be something stating the disclosure must be reasonable. If there were no standards, the restaurant could use a font so small you would need a microscope to read it, like the micro-printing on US currency.


Disclose law? Hmmmm...

Should any requirement for disclosure also apply to the service charge for large parties? I.E. Is the fine print on the menu good enough for that? If so, why? Is it merely because that's an "established thing" that people know about and expect? If so, when does something like that (or this BS concession fee) become typical so that disclosure is unnecessary?

For that matter, is sales tax expected, or does it have disclosure requirements?

OK. Let's focus on sales tax a moment.

Here in NJ and probably most (all?) states, businesses are required to post their state issued Certificate of Authority to collect sales tax, somewhere conspicuous, usually near the door or cashier. Most restaurants post it right next to their Health Department inspection certificate - which, depending on the inspection result, many restaurants would rather NOT disclose...

That said, there should be a similar notice in an equally convenient and conspicuous location, in a type size at least as big as the smaller of these two certificates, for the BS charges.
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:17:55 AM permalink
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How did the airline fees case get off the ground? Maybe a similar strategy can be used against resort and concessionaire fees. I think of it as racketeering. What option do consumer's have to opt out? If you want to stay or eat, the operators have conspired together to gouge your wallet.



The airlines are regulated by the federal government, which is more strongly regulated. Nevada is a libertarian-leaning and majority one-industry state. What it comes down is the hotels and casinos pretty much do as they please.
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:22:20 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Disclose law? Hmmmm...



That's a fair point, that other "add-on" fees had to start somewhere. In that case of sales tax, they never asked to have to collect that. I'm personally okay with the piggyback method that it gets charged. As for those automatic tips for large parties, it is my understanding the customer is not required to pay it. If he says he got lousy service and wishes to only pay 10%, I think any restaurant will oblige, and perhaps have to.
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DJTeddyBear
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:39:10 AM permalink
My point was, since something so universal and routine as sales tax needs disclosure, certainly the concession fee needs to be disclosed as well. And in an equally a conspicuous method.
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March 31st, 2016 at 7:25:44 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

If you are going to fight another battle please make it against resort fees. Once the government cleaned up the airlines and required the coupling of fees, I was sure someone would follow that up and do the same with the hotels.

FYI, a Bill doing just that was introduced in the US Senate last month.

I figured this should merit its own thread here.
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March 31st, 2016 at 8:20:05 AM permalink
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Dinner that night was me, SOOPOO, Ahigh, and Brad from that VegasCard thing. It was awful; the place was under construction, changing to Hexx, the food was just B-A-D after it had been so good, and then there was this.....charge. That I had not seen on previous visits there, FWIW, and I'm a bill-checker, though it's possible I missed it before.


There was an earlier meetup at Sugar House as well; maybe back in 2013 or 2014? It was the Wizard's birthday and I don't think you were there, BBB.

I don't recall the charge that time, but our group was pretty big (probably 15 or 20 people) and I just threw in a bunch of cash; didn't look too closely at the receipt.

I did eat there by myself later in my trip (I was staying at Paris) and paid with rewards credits and I am also a bill checker. I think I would have noticed it that time.

Personally I find it hard to be too outraged. Stuff is expensive in Vegas. Stuff on the Strip is outlandishly expensive. I understand the deceptive business angle, and think it would be more honest to just raise their prices. But whatever, not going to get out the pitchforks. More important things in life, etc.
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:53:17 PM permalink
It's just enough to be inconspicuous. Only $4.70 on a $100 check. If you are spending that much you likely won't notice. But it adds up for the restaurant. This is why class action suits were invented.
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March 31st, 2016 at 7:24:22 PM permalink
Update: My attorney found some case law and says I have a good argument in court.
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March 31st, 2016 at 11:00:02 PM permalink
Try looking at rocketmiles.com

They list rates to book a room then somehow when you pay it shows after the fact that an additional 80 plus dollars is due in cash at the hotel
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March 31st, 2016 at 11:27:31 PM permalink
Geez, Wizard, who is your lawyer, Jackie Chiles?
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