Roulette - # of spins
In case anyone is late to the party, I just wanted to point out this exchange with EvenBob wherein he plays his usual game of making two diametrically opposing claims so that matter what you say, he can claim he was right all along:
Quote: EvenBobIf you think the house edge in roulette manifests itself on every single bet for the player and for the casino, please make your case. I'm all ears.
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(my response, in which I explain the house edge formula)
Quote: TigerWu
That math is in effect on every single bet you make, because those payouts don't change.
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(EvenBob's response, in complete opposition to his previous post)
Quote: EvenBobOf course it is!
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LOL
As an added bonus, here's the entirety of that last post, wherein EvenBob makes it perfectly clear (for the millionth time) he has absolutely no idea what the house edge is or how it works, or how the math in roulette works, and how he often contradicts himself from one sentence to the next:
Quote: EvenBob
Of course it is! But not in the short term only in the long-term! When you make a bet in roulette or any table game do you think you're going to win or lose that bet depending on the house edge? Obviously not. If you make a $100 bet in roulette do you really think you're going to get 95% of that bet back right then on a double zero wheel? Really? Do you think it's going to happen on the next bet, or even in that entire session? No, it's not. It's going to happen in the long run and you'll never even get to the long run. Short-term variance is the only thing that counts in short-term play.
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Quote: TigerWuhe has absolutely no idea what the house edge is or how it works,
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And yet you don't explain it. You just make blanket statements and go hahaha and you explain nothing. You have no argument except to say I'm wrong which is not an argument. Let's hear the details, I go into details why can't you. You tell me exactly where I'm wrong exactly what I'm not understanding, change my mind. Go ahead, I'm all ears. I bet all I hear is the sound of crickets. LOL
Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuhe has absolutely no idea what the house edge is or how it works,
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And yet you don't explain it. You just make blanket statements and go hahaha and you explain nothing. You have no argument except to say I'm wrong which is not an argument. Let's hear the details, I go into details why can't you. You tell me exactly where I'm wrong exactly what I'm not understanding, change my mind. Go ahead, I'm all ears. I bet all I hear is the sound of crickets. LOL
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"Assume a person is making $5 bets on every spin of the roulette wheel, and the wheel spins 50 times an hour. While the person betting may be winning some bets and losing other bets, they are wagering $250 an hour. If the house edge plays out perfectly, at the end of four hours of play, they lose $50, or 5% of $1,000."
But it never ever ever works out perfectly. The vast majority of the time the player will lose the entire amount. Or if he doesn't he might be smart enough to quit while he still has 20 bucks. This is because the house edge never manifests itself in the short term as I keep saying over and over. Yet people constantly assume that it does, it's mind-boggling. If it did work out perfectly the hold at the end of the shift would be 5% of the total that everybody bet and it's more like 18%. It didn't matter that they reinvested their winnings and that's where the 18% comes from. It still did not take those winnings in little 5% chunks it gobbled them up like a greedy beast. Short-term variance it's either your friend or your worst enemy. It happens to be my best friend..
I wasn't talking to you.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDearYou engaged him again. So he won again!
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I won again because I won the argument and you know it. If I'm wrong make your case which you know you can't do so you think just shutting up is making a statement. The statement its making is that you lost.
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And this will be the extent of my response to you in this thread. Take that to the bank.
I'll let others mess around with Brandolini's law.
Quote: billryanI'm convinced bob doesn't know the first thing about gambling.
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He doesn't know anything about gambling because he doesn't gamble. He "makes educated guesses for money."
Reminds me of that interview Elon Musk had recently with BBC. The interviewer says to Musk, what are you going to do about all the hate speech on Twitter. Elon Musk replies, what hate speech, give me some examples. The commentator says well, I don't have any examples. Elon Musk replies, you made the statement give me just one example. The BBC commentator couldn't do it. Just like you people can't do it, you have lots of criticisms but you don't back them up. All you do is make blanket statements.
I go into great detail and your whole argument is, no argument at all. In debate we call this a win for me. Bottom line is, short-term variance is what rules roulette and that's where you can slip in with your own edge and make a killing. Prove me wrong, I dare you.
EB requests math to be proven, math people give a breakdown that would pass diligence with any college math department and then EB acts like it wasn't posted and says he won because nothing was shown.
Let's face it Nathan was more honest (and probably won more at gambling) than EB
Quote: darkozThis is worse than trolling. It's gaslighting.
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Yet another post with no details of what I'm saying that's wrong just more blah blah blah blanket statements that are meaningless. And they think this presents an argument of some kind. You cannot defeat my arguments and you think this is going to get you out of it. It's not. Explain to me in detail where I'm wrong and if you present the correct argument I won't talk about this anymore. Ever. But you can't do it because you know I'm right.
I'm talking about this argument.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/38710-roulette-of-spins/2/#post908684
You can only win against a gaslighter by ignoring them
Quote: OnceDearI'll let others mess around with Brandolini's law.
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You are not even supposed to be talking about Roullet, you went back on your word, and the vote/poll that YOU put up. Why are you not being a man of your word?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
The OP eagle4x is no longer responding probably because he realizes you have hijacked his thread with your roulette nonsense.
This is the fifth or sixth EB thread about how you beat roulette by doing things with imaginary math.
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How do you hijack a roulette thread by talking about roulette. If I'm wrong about any of the points I made please point them out which I see you're not doing. Please point out where my math is imaginary. If you think the house edge in roulette manifests itself on every single bet for the player and for the casino, please make your case. I'm all ears.
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Quote: darkozThis is worse than trolling. It's gaslighting.
EB requests math to be proven, math people give a breakdown that would pass diligence with any college math department and then EB acts like it wasn't posted and says he won because nothing was shown.
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It's a logical fallacy known as "invincible ignorance," or "argument by pigheadedness."
Quote:.....the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word. The method used in this fallacy is either to make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing, all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms. It is similar to the ad lapidem fallacy, in which the person rejects all the evidence and logic presented, without providing any evidence or logic that could lead to a different conclusion.
Tell me that doesn't describe EB to an absolute T.... LOL
EB also reminds me of this meme:
Quote: AxelWolfYou are not even supposed to be talking about Roullet, you went back on your word, and the vote/poll that YOU put up. Why are you not being a man of your word?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
The OP eagle4x is no longer responding probably because he realizes you have hijacked his thread with your roulette nonsense.
This is the fifth or sixth EB thread about how you beat roulette by doing things with imaginary math.
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How do you hijack a roulette thread by talking about roulette. If I'm wrong about any of the points I made please point them out which I see you're not doing. Please point out where my math is imaginary. If you think the house edge in roulette manifests itself on every single bet for the player and for the casino, please make your case. I'm all ears.
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Expecting honesty from a troll is like looking to the west for the sunrise. It's an exercise in futility. Attempting a genuine conversation with EB is a waste of time.
Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfYou are not even supposed to be talking about Roullet, you went back on your word, and the vote/poll that YOU put up. Why are you not being a man of your word?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkoz
The OP eagle4x is no longer responding probably because he realizes you have hijacked his thread with your roulette nonsense.
This is the fifth or sixth EB thread about how you beat roulette by doing things with imaginary math.
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How do you hijack a roulette thread by talking about roulette. If I'm wrong about any of the points I made please point them out which I see you're not doing. Please point out where my math is imaginary. If you think the house edge in roulette manifests itself on every single bet for the player and for the casino, please make your case. I'm all ears.
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Expecting honesty from a troll is like looking to the west for the sunrise. It's an exercise in futility. Attempting a genuine conversation with EB is a waste of time.
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I think the only interesting thing about EB’s posts is this….
I firmly believe he knows that he has lost, and will continue to lose at roulette over his lifetime. That he knows his posts are nothing more than incendiary gibberish. That, outside of the food and cat threads, he never comes close to making any sense, and he does so on purpose.
I seem to be in the minority. Most believe in some way he has fooled himself into thinking he has won, and will continue to do so. You guys actually believe that EB believes he has NEVER lost a session? That would make him clinically and legally insane. Or at least ‘out of touch with reality’. I do not believe EB is insane.
Quote: SOOPOOI think the only interesting thing about EB’s posts is this….
I firmly believe he knows that he has lost, and will continue to lose at roulette over his lifetime. That he knows his posts are nothing more than incendiary gibberish. That, outside of the food and cat threads, he never comes close to making any sense, and he does so on purpose.
I seem to be in the minority. Most believe in some way he has fooled himself into thinking he has won, and will continue to do so. You guys actually believe that EB believes he has NEVER lost a session? That would make him clinically and legally insane. Or at least ‘out of touch with reality’. I do not believe EB is insane.
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I have stopped engaging with EB in any way, shape, or form. I block his posts.
EB is overall +EV if you calculate things from his point of view. Suppose he plays roulette every day betting a non-progressing progression and average $20 wagered per day. then he loses 52 cents per day. What is the value that EB derives by keeping his lead in the post count and winning arguments with so-called experts every day? (EB is always the sole judge of whether or not he has won the argument.) You would have to pay EB $100 a day to stop talking about his roulette nonsense. Even then, he would probably forfeit the $100 on some days just to create more nonsense posts.
I submit that EB has done the EV calculation correctly. We are definitely -EV for even engaging with him. WoV is +EV for monetizing the traffic and engagement that EB generates.
Yes, this post is to you. You ask for details where the House Edge occurs. It's really quite simple: the HE rears its head in two spots: the physical design of the game, and the paytables. I will demonstrate with roulette and craps.
Physical design: If you has a "No Zero" wheel--that is, an unbiased roulette wheel with an unbiased ball-launching method, then there would be zero house edge, as long as every bet is paid fairly. The casino would not make any money, and neither would the player. Short term variance is always in play, but 'over the long run' (meaning when enough winning and losing streaks pile up) the game would be a loser for the casino, given crew costs and player malfeasance. So the casinos added one, two, or three zeros to the wheel. That is where the house edge manifests itself. If you are flat-betting the even-money propositions, you, the player, will lose every time the ball hits green. Every time you bet red/black, you open yourself to the measurable chance of hitting the green and absolutely losing.
PayTable: This is really where the casino makes its money. Take that double-zero wheel in Roulette. When you bet red, and the ball lands in a red pocket, you win. And you lose. For you to win fairly, the casino should pay you $(38/36), or $1.05556 times your bet. But they don't. They pay you even money. That missing $0.05556? That's the house edge. When you said earlier that the casino doesn't take the house edge in little bites, you're quite incorrect. Hit on one of the lone numbers? You get 35 to 1. But a fair payout would be 37 to one, because you beat odds of the one pocket out of the possible 38. But the casino short-changes you. It's much the same in craps, because the paytable is the only place where the casino can manifest the house edge--it can't 'add' a zero to the possible rolls.
There. These are the details behind where the House Edge manifests. Physical design (where possible) and PayTable design (always). Now you cannot whinge that nobody's ever explained them.
Quote: EvenBob
Let's hear the details, I go into details why can't you. You tell me exactly where I'm wrong exactly what I'm not understanding, change my mind. Go ahead, I'm all ears.
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But it never ever ever works out perfectly.[...]
This is because the house edge never manifests itself in the short term as I keep saying over and over. Yet people constantly assume that it does,[...]
It still did not take those winnings in little 5% chunks it gobbled them up like a greedy beast.
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See the section in "PayTable" in my post above. Because the casino shortchanges your winning bet by a percentage equal to the house edge on that bet, both of the statements immediately above are false. You can now continue to say false things, or you can change your mind about what you have falsely asserted. There is no wiggle room here, EB. Time to throw in your hand.
Do you have this daft idea that you will persuade EB of anything. Do you think he'll even engage with your logic?
He's been practicing this game of his for over a decade. And I don't mean roulette.
You just fed the troll again.
Brandolini's law.
EB can continue to cast his BS which is all fun and no effort for him, while you and others try to clean it up with your earnest and fruitless endeavours. You can't argue logic against gibberish and expect the gibberer to have an epiphany.
Quote: BillHasRetiredEvenBob,
Yes, this post is to you. You ask for details where the House Edge occurs. It's really quite simple: the HE rears its head in two spots: the physical design of the game, and the paytables. I will demonstrate with roulette and craps.
Physical design: If you has a "No Zero" wheel--that is, an unbiased roulette wheel with an unbiased ball-launching method, then there would be zero house edge, as long as every bet is paid fairly. The casino would not make any money, and neither would the player. Short term variance is always in play, but 'over the long run' (meaning when enough winning and losing streaks pile up) the game would be a loser for the casino, given crew costs and player malfeasance. So the casinos added one, two, or three zeros to the wheel. That is where the house edge manifests itself. If you are flat-betting the even-money propositions, you, the player, will lose every time the ball hits green. Every time you bet red/black, you open yourself to the measurable chance of hitting the green and absolutely losing.
PayTable: This is really where the casino makes its money. Take that double-zero wheel in Roulette. When you bet red, and the ball lands in a red pocket, you win. And you lose. For you to win fairly, the casino should pay you $(38/36), or $1.05556 times your bet. But they don't. They pay you even money. That missing $0.05556? That's the house edge. When you said earlier that the casino doesn't take the house edge in little bites, you're quite incorrect. Hit on one of the lone numbers? You get 35 to 1. But a fair payout would be 37 to one, because you beat odds of the one pocket out of the possible 38. But the casino short-changes you. It's much the same in craps, because the paytable is the only place where the casino can manifest the house edge--it can't 'add' a zero to the possible rolls.
There. These are the details behind where the House Edge manifests. Physical design (where possible) and PayTable design (always). Now you cannot whinge that nobody's ever explained them.
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I'm afraid I've been told I can only discuss my roulette method in the one thread I have going about roulette. Look what happened in this thread, my posts threw two totally innocent bystanders into complete delirium, I injured their delicate sensitivities to such an extent that they were hurling personal insults at me and they both got suspended. I am wracked with guilt over this and don't want to see that happen to you. Please address anything about my roulette method in the thread where I'm allowed to discuss it. The gamble thread.
Quote: OnceDearBHR. What's wrong with you man?
Do you have this daft idea that you will persuade EB of anything. Do you think he'll even engage with your logic?
He's been practicing this game of his for over a decade. And I don't mean roulette.
You just fed the troll again.
Brandolini's law.
EB can continue to cast his BS which is all fun and no effort for him, while you and others try to clean it up with your earnest and fruitless endeavours. You can't argue logic against gibberish and expect the gibberer to have an epiphany.
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OD,
My father (may he rest in peace) had a saying: "Take away their excuses." I have no illusions about EB: all his history indicates that he will never be constrained by logic, good faith, mathematics, or the rules of civil discourse. However, now he cannot say three things:
1. Nobody ever gave him details about how House Edge works
2. "The House Edge never manifests itself in the short term."
3. "[The House Edge] still did not take those winnings in little 5% chunks."
I know he will still try, but the we can reply "False, see https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/38710-roulette-of-spins/3/#post908817."
Take away his excuses. Soon, he is left with nothing but bare assertions about his non-random system.
Quote: BillHasRetiredEB can continue to cast his BS which is all fun and no effort for him, while you and others try to clean it up with your earnest and fruitless endeavours. You can't argue logic against gibberish and expect the gibberer to have an epiphany.
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OD,
My father (may he rest in peace) had a saying: "Take away their excuses." I have no illusions about EB: all his history indicates that he will never be constrained by logic, good faith, mathematics, or the rules of civil discourse. However, now he cannot say three things:
1. Nobody ever gave him details about how House Edge works
2. "The House Edge never manifests itself in the short term."
3. "[The House Edge] still did not take those winnings in little 5% chunks."
I know he will still try, but the we can reply "False, see https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/38710-roulette-of-spins/3/#post908817."
Take away his excuses. Soon, he is left with nothing but bare assertions about his non-random system.
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I'm afraid I've been told I can only discuss my roulette method in the one thread I have going about roulette. Look what happened in this thread, my posts threw two totally innocent bystanders into complete delirium, I injured their delicate sensitivities to such an extent that they were hurling personal insults at me and they both got suspended. I am wracked with guilt over this and don't want to see that happen to you. Please address anything about my roulette method in the thread where I'm allowed to discuss it. The gamble thread.
Quote: BillHasRetiredQuote: OnceDearBHR. What's wrong with you man?
Do you have this daft idea that you will persuade EB of anything. Do you think he'll even engage with your logic?
He's been practicing this game of his for over a decade. And I don't mean roulette.
You just fed the troll again.
Brandolini's law.
EB can continue to cast his BS which is all fun and no effort for him, while you and others try to clean it up with your earnest and fruitless endeavours. You can't argue logic against gibberish and expect the gibberer to have an epiphany.
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OD,
My father (may he rest in peace) had a saying: "Take away their excuses." I have no illusions about EB: all his history indicates that he will never be constrained by logic, good faith, mathematics, or the rules of civil discourse. However, now he cannot say three things:
1. Nobody ever gave him details about how House Edge works
2. "The House Edge never manifests itself in the short term."
3. "[The House Edge] still did not take those winnings in little 5% chunks."
I know he will still try, but the we can reply "False, see https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/38710-roulette-of-spins/3/#post908817."
Take away his excuses. Soon, he is left with nothing but bare assertions about his non-random system.
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Hi my friend.
We each 'see through' EB, one way or another.
We can throw facts at him, logic, polite discourse. evidence, proof. But all he ever receives is the amusements of seeing us contort.
He's probably smirking at this very post as he gets another mention in it.
This game of his is his social life. It's cheaper than any casino game. Fire up the PC, throw out a few incendiary bits of jibber jabber, bait a few hooks. See what bites he had on yesterdays baited hooks and taunt anyone daft enough to engage him. Just as he did there. Perfect EB Trolling: Ask a question that requires a detailed answer: Receive detailed answer and then say " I can't debate that here, take it to the other thread". And if you take it to the other thread, do you think it will get any attention? He'll just see you as a fish hanging n his baited hook. He'll tug the line a bit to see if you are still wiggling and then he'll tell his cats how well he just did.
Maybe that's it!!! Eureka! I now see his motivation: He needs some stories to impress his dozen plus cats with, and he probably reads all our responses to them for their shared amusement. Probably boasts to his cats about scoring his latest suspension.
Brandolini's law. Pure and simple. He's now polluted over half a dozen topics on this forum alone and three of those are in the hot threads link.
Damn it man. And now I bumped one of those threads!
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I'm afraid I've been told I can only discuss my roulette method in the one thread I have going about roulette.
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False. Wizard gave you a hijack warning in the "House Edge Effect on Roulette" thread, but has not given you grief here.
Quote: EvenBob
Look what happened in this thread, {festival of EB onanism snipped}[...] they both got suspended. I am wracked with guilt over this and don't want to see that happen to you.
I throw the brown cow-pie flag on this. You don't know me, but I sense you cannot respond in any intelligible way.
Quote: EvenBob
Please address anything about my roulette method in the thread where I'm allowed to discuss it. The gamble thread.
If you have anything intelligent to say, how about YOU respond to my points in whatever obscure thread you might be restricted to, and provide the link below. Too much for you? Then we are left to conclude that you concede my points and agree to abandon the points I have enumerated in any future responses.
You know, I have a better idea: why not stop dancing around this mysterious system of yours. Lay in all out. Confound us with your brilliance. Leave us speechless at your flawless logic. I suspect you'll come up with some non-reason why it cannot be revealed. In this, you are no better than Professor Marvel riding in his fortune-teller wagon.
Quote: EvenBob
Bob oh Bob you all say, you mouth breathing moronic cretin, you cannot beat the house dge so quit saying you can.
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Quote: BillHasRetiredQuote: EvenBob
I'm afraid I've been told I can only discuss my roulette method in the one thread I have going about roulette.
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False. Wizard gave you a hijack warning in the "House Edge Effect on Roulette" thread, but has not given you grief here.
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Yeah, there are other ways of communicating besides the open forum, if you get my drift. When I say I've been told, it comes from a higher power. Use your imagination as to what that means. We are not allowed to discuss the contents of such communications on the Forum.
Customer support - live chat
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For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
Quote: eagle4xWhat are the best casinos for roulette with no 0 and single 0 for US customers including the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
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How does casino make $$ on ‘no zero’ roulette?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: eagle4xWhat are the best casinos for roulette with no 0 and single 0 for US customers including the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
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How does casino make $$ on ‘no zero’ roulette?
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I usually see short pays... 30 to 1 or 25 to 1, instead of 35 to 1.
I think triple-zero's "more ways to win" may come out more favorably for the player.
I read some casinos charge fees on winnings for no zero roulette.
Also, casinos usually win for bad strategies such as martingale.
Quote: eagle4x
Also, casinos usually win for bad strategies such as martingale.
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Yes and no. Mostly NO.
If they did offer a zery edge game, they would tend to wipe out any marty player who was undercapitalised compared to the house, but ir would still be a zero hedge game.
Martingale is not a bad strategy. it adds nothing to the house edge and of course does no good or harm to the player
I've never seen a zero HE roulette.
I agree with your other comments.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: eagle4x
Also, casinos usually win for bad strategies such as martingale.
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Yes and no. Mostly NO.
If they did offer a zery edge game, they would tend to wipe out any marty player who was undercapitalised compared to the house, but ir would still be a zero hedge game.
Martingale is not a bad strategy. it adds nothing to the house edge and of course does no good or harm to the player
I've never seen a zero HE roulette.
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Quote: eagle4xSince I submitted the post, I found one called that offers no zero roulette, but it's in the UK. Also read that no zero roulette not available in the US.:(
I agree with your other comments.
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They may offer no Zero roulette, but that's academic if it pays short on a win.
If you know one that's zero edge, please name names. I'm in the UK
Quote: OnceDearQuote: eagle4xSince I submitted the post, I found one called that offers no zero roulette, but it's in the UK. Also read that no zero roulette not available in the US.:(
I agree with your other comments.
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They may offer no Zero roulette, but that's academic if it pays short on a win.
If you know one that's zero edge, please name names. I'm in the UK
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Check you PM's.
Quote: eagle4xQuote: OnceDearQuote: eagle4xSince I submitted the post, I found one called that offers no zero roulette, but it's in the UK. Also read that no zero roulette not available in the US.:(
I agree with your other comments.
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They may offer no Zero roulette, but that's academic if it pays short on a win.
If you know one that's zero edge, please name names. I'm in the UK
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Check you PM's.
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"If you withdraw after playing any of these games, [redacted] simply deducts a 10% commission off your net winnings."
So. That is equivalent to a 5% house edge: Evil. Might be 10% depending on how they define winnings
I just made a problem out of this on the Easy Math Puzzles threadQuote: OnceDearQuote: eagle4xQuote: OnceDearQuote: eagle4xSince I submitted the post, I found one called that offers no zero roulette, but it's in the UK. Also read that no zero roulette not available in the US.:(
I agree with your other comments.
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They may offer no Zero roulette, but that's academic if it pays short on a win.
If you know one that's zero edge, please name names. I'm in the UK
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Check you PM's.
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"If you withdraw after playing any of these games, [redacted] simply deducts a 10% commission off your net winnings."
So. That is equivalent to a 5% house edge: Evil. Might be 10% depending on how they define winnings
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For those of you in the US, what online casinos have you played and can recommend with the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
Include any pros/cons for other factors I may have overlooked.
Quote: eagle4xWhat are the best casinos for roulette with no 0 and single 0 for US customers including the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
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Quote: eagle4xI'll rephrase my question since apparently not many of you do not play roulette online:
For those of you in the US, what online casinos have you played and can recommend with the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
Include any pros/cons for other factors I may have overlooked.Quote: eagle4xWhat are the best casinos for roulette with no 0 and single 0 for US customers including the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
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Trying to hit the jackpot or just hoping for a lucky streak? I can't promise any insider tips, but I'm pretty sure the live chat support should at least be faster than waiting for the roulette ball to settle! As for deposits/withdrawals, let's just say, you might get better odds there than at the wheel. And bonuses? Well, who doesn't love a casino that sweetens the deal?
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Trying to hit the jackpot or just hoping for a lucky streak? I can't promise any insider tips, but I'm pretty sure the live chat support should at least be faster than waiting for the roulette ball to settle! As for deposits/withdrawals, let's just say, you might get better odds there than at the wheel. And bonuses? Well, who doesn't love a casino that sweetens the deal?
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Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
What... is your quest?
edit: busted for spamming another thread
Quote: eagle4xI'll rephrase my question since apparently not many of you do not play roulette online:
For those of you in the US, what online casinos have you played and can recommend with the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
Include any pros/cons for other factors I may have overlooked.Quote: eagle4xWhat are the best casinos for roulette with no 0 and single 0 for US customers including the following factors:
Customer support - live chat
Deposits / Withdrawals
Bonuses
For any recommended, list other pros/cons.
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You forgot to ask about the "La Partage Rule", a great little rule that you'll find on some French Roulette games. I am quite sure that I played it at one place online for a juicy play-to-earn bonus that was restricted to roulette. This was a US regulated casino, but it was a long time ago. I only ever got regular +EV promos restricted to roulette on DK (European Roulette is plain single zero). DK cut me off from all good offers for the last few months. I cashed out and stopped playing. I finally got a marginal promo pack DK from this week. I redeposited and am playing the promo pack even though it is not worth much per hour. I hope it is not a one off. DK used to be amazingly generous to Onyx players.
If a promo is not restricted to roulette, I almost always find it better to play slots or BJ to satisfy the play requirements.
Support is something I never want to be involved with. If you have a problem where you really need support, they usually cannot help you. I would never avoid a casino because support sucks.
Deposits are always easy for US casinos if you are within the geofence. I prefer PayPal, but a few casinos don't offer it, so my plan B is VIP Preferred ACH. I don't have any experience getting hassled about small withdrawals after I am properly documented. Try getting six figures out of a online casino in one chunk and tell us what happens.
If it's allowed to post links to websites here, I'd appreciate recommended online casinos, but if not, PM me. Thanks.
Quote: eagle4xIt's been a challenge finding a good online casino because all the review sites I compared have good reviews for casinos and others have bad reviews for same ones, so the casinos must be paying the review sites for good reviews.
If it's allowed to post links to websites here, I'd appreciate recommended online casinos, but if not, PM me. Thanks.
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I was just reading an article about online casino computer run table games. The author claims to have worked in that part of the casino industry for 3 years and he says 100% of all machines are fixed in favor of the house, you cannot beat them for very long. He says they are programmed to let you win for a while so that you even increase your bets and then the algorithm will turn on you and you'll start losing and trying to win back your losses until all your winnings are gone and now you're losing your own money. The only chance you have of winning on table games is to look for casinos that have live dealers. And even then they will often cheat you by holding back your winnings when you try to withdraw. Only play at casinos that have a really good reputation to uphold. And never play the computer run games. If you lose enough money in the machines the algorithm will let you win a good amount sometimes but never enough to break even. It just wants to entice you to keep playing. So somebody might tell you they win all the time on the machines but what they don't tell you is they have an overall loss history.
Which must be true because?Quote: EvenBobQuote: eagle4xIt's been a challenge finding a good online casino because all the review sites I compared have good reviews for casinos and others have bad reviews for same ones, so the casinos must be paying the review sites for good reviews.
If it's allowed to post links to websites here, I'd appreciate recommended online casinos, but if not, PM me. Thanks.
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I was just reading an article about online casino computer run table games.
Define beat? Have a bit of luck on?Quote:The author claims to have worked in that part of the casino industry for 3 years and he says 100% of all machines are fixed in favor of the house, you cannot beat them for very long.
Typical wrong reasoning by a ploppy after losing to a game that is designed to take his money.Quote:He says they are programmed to let you win for a while so that you even increase your bets and then the algorithm will turn on you and you'll start losing and trying to win back your losses until all your winnings are gone and now you're losing your own money.
Live dealer or RNG, they don't need to cheat to generate revenue for the casino. Some do seize winnings, it's true.Quote:The only chance you have of winning on table games is to look for casinos that have live dealers. And even then they will often cheat you by holding back your winnings when you try to withdraw.
Because?Quote:And never play the computer run games.
This is just wrong on so many levels.Quote:If you lose enough money in the machines the algorithm will let you win a good amount sometimes but never enough to break even.
It? What, the sentient game? The casino doesn't care if you win, then lose or just lose and then lose some more.Quote:It just wants to entice you to keep playing.
The world is full of liars and BSers. Some write articles about where they worked for 3 years and some write forum posts.Quote:So somebody might tell you they win all the time on the machines but what they don't tell you is they have an overall loss history.
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Quote: OnceDear
The world is full of liars and BSers. Some write articles about where they worked for 3 years and some write forum posts.
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Come on.
Insult, 7 days.
You know better.
