https://igt.com/games/magic-deal-poker-mh-avp-video-poker-mob
(it is available on VideoPoker.com too).
The gist is (almost verbatim from their site):
At maximum bet (10 coins instead of 5), players can be randomly awarded up to three magic cards in the base hand. When they are revealed, the magic cards morph into the best cards remaining in each deck to provide the greatest win on all hands being played. Magic cards complete the best possible hand creating excitement around the draw. For Jacks or Better, the Magic Deal Feature is activated an average of 13.65% when enabled.
I have confirmed, at least with this version, that a Magic Deal card can morph into a discarded card if it would make the best possible hand. For example, given 5C, KD, 2H and 2 Magic Deal cards, I tossed the three non-magic cards for grins. I was dealt a 3S, KC and KS and my Magic Cards morphed into two kings making four kings. So the tossed KD came back to life. I confirmed this behavior with several other hands.
Has anyone else played and noticed this?
Is the game available in casinos yet?
Here is the frequency of Magic Cards I saw in 652 hands:
1 = 73
2 = 17
3 = 1
That is, in 73 of the 652 hands, I was awarded one Magic Deal card.
Quote: GaryJKoehlerHas anyone else played and noticed this? Is the game available in casinos yet?
Never played, never noticed . . . Normally, I favor single play Deuces Are Wild - but when I saw your name on the post (thanks for all your other replies to my posts!), I immediately clicked to try it out!
I like it!
On my Apr visit, I will see where it's available in downtown Las Vegas, but I'm sure fellow posters will reply before then.
Magic Deal for me would be a nice alternative to Ultimate X, which I just tried last Oct 2016.
Is there a general strategy you recommend for either Magic Deal or Ultimate X (I usually play Deuces Are Wild, 3 rows, and maximum play for minimum bet).
Thanks for the share!
Was the IGT link supposed to go to a game demo? Didn't load a demo for me, and videopoker.com requires Gold to play the game.
Example: Say you get one wild card and you're dealt Ac Kc 2d 8h W (W = wild card).
if you keep Ac Kc and on hand 1 you draw Qc and Jc.. then the W will be the 10c. If on hand 2 you draw Kh and Kd.. then the W will be Ks... all within the same "game"
Romes, for me the link gave me this (screenshot)Quote: RomesWas the IGT link supposed to go to a game demo?
The IGT site might be "ornery" (?) - I had to return to the WoV forum and click the link several times.
The VideoPoker.com also shows MagicDeal, but like you said you have to "go gold" to play (subscribe for $)
EDIT: So I played for about 30 minutes, TDB 10 play... lost 9k in that time frame, while hitting AWAK (aka royal pay) TWICE. Also got 9 "magic card deals" in which I got "1" magic card every single time.
"At maximum bet, players can be randomly awarded up to three magic cards in the base hand" - Randomly up to 3 my ass... I got 1 every single time.
(1/3)^9 = .000051 = .0051% chance (~1 in 20,000) of that happening, right?
EDIT 2: I'm also massively under the average... for TDB it's just barely over 4% of the time you should get a magic card deal. I guarantee I played 500 hands per my 30 min (more really, I'm rounding down)... and that's 10 hand, so I played 5k hands (though only 500 unique starts)... still 500*.04 = 20, and I've only had 9 magic card deals.
Either I run HORRIBLE on practice games, or there's definitely some bugs to work out.
So, supposedly 1 in 3 chance REGARDLESS of game (at least both said that in the 2 rules I read).... So I'm at about (1/3)^19 = .00000007 = .000007% = ~1 in 1.5 billion.
ANYONE else gotten more than "one" magic card on a magic card deal???
Quote: RomesANYONE else gotten more than "one" magic card on a magic card deal???
I played it on Videopoker.com and got 1,2 and 3 magic cards. I did not keep exact track, but my distribution was probably somewhat similar to the OP's.
Videopoker will probably run it as a daily or weekly contest sometime soon which are open to all for free.
Quote: RomesThanks LW, you have more patients than I do.
No worries, my pleasure. Well, in terms of patience, maybe I have the advantage of a little bit more flexi time than you. Actually, when I first posted I had 2 incentives: (a) to return the favor of Gary's replies to my post about my upcoming VP Tournament, and (b) finally got a chance (just a small notch) to return the favor of your many, many helpful suggestions.
I am wondering what numbers would make Magic Deal a game with positive EV? (I think I'm just starting now to ask more mathematically-based questions . . . ) Your 2 replies indicate (to me) that the game may have some bugs.
I went back into Magic Deal a second time, and I played maximum bet for Deuces Wild, and got rewarded with this on my first deal (no Magic Card). I still haven't played enough to get a MagicCard, but getting dealt an RF (even if w/3 2s) sure feels good. The other game I plan to play is Ultimate X, but I'm going to look for Magic Card in Apr in downtown Las Vegas.
Should I stay away from Magic Deal? Anyone?
Here is a summary of the rules.
- If the player pays a fee equal to a max bet, then he will invoke the Magic Card feature.
- If the feature is active, 13.65% of the time it will deal to the player 1 to 3 Magic Cards. The rules don't state the probability of each but in my limited experience it is one about 90% of the time and two 10%. I've yet to see three.
- The Magic Cards are automatically held.
- On the draw the Magic Cards will serve like wild cards, becoming whatever card will benefit the player most.
- In deuces wild, a royal flush composed of Magic Cards, but no deuces, shall count as a natural royal.
Example
In the hand below I was dealt a Magic Card. I chose to hold the two fives, guaranteeing at least a three of a kind on each hand.
The top hand improved to a full house and the bottom two to three of a kinds.
Quote: GaryJKoehlerHere is the frequency of Magic Cards I saw in 652 hands:
1 = 73
2 = 17
3 = 1
That is, in 73 of the 652 hands, I was awarded one Magic Deal card.
Gary - is there any rhyme or reason why the link to the IGT game "Magic Deal" doesn't always work? On 2 occasions today, I had to click 3 times on your link. I also tried saving the link once I was in. No go.
This time I tried DDB (add'l practice for my VP Tournament!). Here is the frequency of Magic Cards I saw in 42 hands (not quite as many as yours) - I just wanted to enjoy the experience of seeing the Magic Cards pop up. Started at 10,000 credits, down to 9,102 after 42 hands. But I would still play it live in Las Vegas downtown if I see it!
1=5
2=0
3=0
For the 5 times I got 1 Magic Card, this was awarded after the flwg # of hands 8, 20, 3, 2, 9.
Quote: WizardHere is a summary of the rules.
On the draw the Magic Cards will serve like wild cards, becoming whatever card will benefit the player most.
Example
Well, that explains the main observation I had: "a Magic Deal card can morph into a discarded card if it would make the best possible hand"
Quote: WizardIf the feature is active, 13.65% of the time it will deal to the player 1 to 3 Magic Cards. The rules don't state the probability of each but in my limited experience it is one about 90% of the time and two 10%. I've yet to see three.
I think the probability of one Magic card is p, of 2 is p^2 and 3, p^3. Solving p+p^2+p^3 = 0.1365 gives p = 0.120289435 which is pretty consistent with what my empirical observations found. Thoughts?
Quote: LostWagesGary - is there any rhyme or reason why the link to the IGT game "Magic Deal" doesn't always work?
None. I get the same randomness. I was completely surprised when I googled the game, went to the IGT link and saw the game loading. The next time I had to try a few times, as everyone else is reporting. Probably an IGT glich that shouldn't even be allowing any of us to play.
Quote: GaryJKoehlerI think the probability of one Magic card is p, of 2 is p^2 and 3, p^3. Thoughts?
Not to say you're wrong, but why do you think that?
Quote: charliepatrick
We're envious! Hope I get the same fortune when I play Ultimate X, or if they have it, Magic Deal in downtown Las Vegas.
Has anyone heard/seen Magic Deal in downtown Las Vegas?
Fwiw, I had to discard the king of clubs (made straight ) to get this draw.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis hand was fun. I've played a couple hundred hands, have not seen 3 Magics, but have had 2 in more.hands than I expected. I would definitely have some fun with this, though the 2x base bet seems high.
Hooray for Babs!
Quote: GaryJKoehlerOK, you got me. I'm just thinking the events are independent, but that is purely speculation. :-)
If a binomial distribution applies (i.e., getting 1 out of 3, 2 out of 3, and 3 out of 3), then p=0.047743 with 0.129879 prob for 1 MC, 0.006512 for 2 and 0.000109 for 3.
Quote: LostWagesThe other game I plan to play is Ultimate X, but I'm going to look for Magic Card in Apr in downtown Las Vegas.
The only place that seems to get the new games downtown is the Golden Nugget. They have, (or had), Triple Wheel Poker, Barnyard Poker, and Hot Roll poker and I don't recall seeing any of those anywhere else downtown.
I've never been able to play the game at the IGT sight, which is why I mentioned videopoker.com.
Quote: HullabalooI've never been able to play the game at the IGT sight, which is why I mentioned videopoker.com.
Oi! Thanks for the feedback on whether or not Magic Deal is available - I'll check it out again and post my findings when I go to Las Vegas this April. I'll be at MSS, which is walking distance from the GN.
WRT using the IGT site - if you read the OP, you'll see I posted that the IGT site link is ornery - sometimes I had to click like 3 X on the OP link to get Magic Deal to show.
Yes, Videopoker.com has MagicDeal, and some posters commented on their results -- but you need a $ subscription "Gold" to play this game (and I guess some others).
Appreciate your post!
Quote: LostWagesYes, Videopoker.com has MagicDeal, and some posters commented on their results -- but you need a $ subscription "Gold" to play this game (and I guess some others).
Yes, but they do use games that are "gold only" as contest games as well and then everyone who has an account can play them. Powerhouse Poker is, (or was. I don't keep track), gold, but it's been the daily game a couple of times in the past few months. You just need to check in and see what the game of the day is. I think they already used it for the weekly contest in which case it probably won't be again. If anyone see's it as a contest you might want to revive this thread and mention it.
I don't know what's in MSS or the Cal any more but Fremont does have 2 places where their are some newer games but I doubt you'd find Magic Poker in these; I'm just including it for anyone reading who is looking for newer VP games in downtown LV.
Just to the west of the center bar, near the table games, there are some "All Star" games that have a variety of things, including Double STP, (That's all I remember, but there are others ;)).
On the east side of the property they've put in a new bar with new games. There are a lot of varieties, but 1) I thought the pay tables kind of sucked and 2) when you switch games you often had to wait for the game to be downloaded, and that could take a while.
Hey! Thanks for the extra info!Quote: HullabalooYes, but they do use games that are "gold only" as contest games as well and then everyone who has an account can play them.
The games I am primarily interested in are Ultimate X and Magic Deal; I use VPFree2 to search for best available paying machines, ideally Deuces Are Wild (any flavor), and now DDB. DDB is in order to practice at least a little bit for my upcoming VP Tournament. I'd at least like to get a $5 "feel" of the machine I'll be using (2nd floor, the Cal, already roped off).
Back to Videopoker.com - I learn something everyday. I guess I didn't like staying/reading a website if you have to pay to use some of its features. So my new questions are:
1. Has it been worth it to you? Example, on a monthly basis you've won back enough to at least pay for your $3.99 subscription (or is Gold more?).
2. How often are the contests?
3. What is the prize bucket?
4. How is the prize distributed? (1st place, 2nd place, etc.)
If you have the info, great. If not, thanks for your post anyway!
Quote: LostWages
Has anyone heard/seen Magic Deal in downtown Las Vegas?
I have yet to see it in a casino nationwide yet. videopoker.com releases games on the site a few months before the casinos do.
Quote: GaryJKoehlerI think the probability of one Magic card is p, of 2 is p^2 and 3, p^3. Solving p+p^2+p^3 = 0.1365 gives p = 0.120289435 which is pretty consistent with what my empirical observations found. Thoughts?
I would think IGT would just assign the probabilities for the number of magic cards given. But this formula may be close to the actual distribution. Also the frequency of receiving a magic card also varies by game variant. It comes less frequently in games like DDB where getting 3 magic cards guarantees a 250 credit win on each line.
I played this during one of the videopoker.com weekly contests. Pretty fun...but really, really swingy. Even 3 line nickels will require a sizable bankroll.
Quote: RomesSo I just ran "that bad" and found myself in a 1 in 1.5 billion situation?? Still haven't seen anyone post they've gotten 3 magic cards. If it's truly "random" between 1 and 3 then someone HAD to of been dealt 3, just with the testers in this thread alone.
Random doesn't necessary mean "equally weighted". 3 magic cards comes in roughly ~1% of all the magic deals you experience. Have you played over 1000 rounds yet? I got it only once playing for several hours in January. If you were supposed to get 1, 2, or 3 magic deal cards with equal likelihood then the game would be heavily in the player's favor because of what I described above. 3 magic cards guarantee at least quad, and is worth at least 250 credits a line in America's favorite VP variant.
Here was that 3 magic card deal. Would be awesome I could get this for real money. ;)
Quote: LostWages
1. Has it been worth it to you? Example, on a monthly basis you've won back enough to at least pay for your $3.99 subscription (or is Gold more?).
I think it starts at $2.99 a month for "silver" which blocks ads, and it's like $50 or $60 for gold. Other than when I got a short freebie upgrade, I've only been a lowly user
Quote: LostWages2. How often are the contests?
There is a daily where you can play up to 8 sessions of 50 hands. If you play the full 8 then you'll get 4 extra plays for the next day.
There is also a weekly that starts Monday mornings. This is 100 hand sessions, and it's unlimited.
There is also a monthly; 5 sessions per day of 100 hands each, all with "classic" games.
There is also a monthly "seven star" contest which you need to qualify for. (More information on their site).
Quote: LostWages3. What is the prize bucket?
It varies. I believe it's $25 for the Daily up to $250 for the monthly, with some lower amounts as well including free limited-time "gold" status.
Quote: LostWages4. How is the prize distributed? (1st place, 2nd place, etc.)
Too many to list, look on their contest page
And don't get too excited; I've never won anything, nor have most people. But oddly enough there are a lot of people that get amazing scores, scores I've rarely if ever seen, on a regular basis.
Quote: Hullabaloo
And don't get too excited; I've never won anything, nor have most people. But oddly enough there are a lot of people that get amazing scores, scores I've rarely if ever seen, on a regular basis.
I got the "target hand" once in a weekly contest. Dealt Aces with kicker on Triple Double Bonus "Peek and Play". My other 99 were bad enough though that I only finished 37th for the week. Got 5000 "player points"...big deal. Now if I could take that dealt hand and place it with the very next 100 hand session I played, I would have got 1st place for the week ($150)... :'( Obviously I was quite mad...
Quote: HullabalooAnd don't get too excited; I've never won anything, nor have most people. But oddly enough there are a lot of people that get amazing scores, scores I've rarely if ever seen, on a regular basis.
Hey, thanks for taking time to answer each of my questions with such detail.
I am excited, but not yet about Videopoker.com. One of our WoV admins, BBB, said that Gold would be worthwhile to have access to the trainers, plus no commercials or ads.
I'm keeping my options open, because we don't get to visit Las Vegas too often - so right now, I'm more excited about my upcoming VP Tournament in Apr!
Staying focused,
LW
Quote: RomesANYONE else gotten more than "one" magic card on a magic card deal???
Romes - and Gary!
I'm reasonably sure a player shouldn't be able to select how many Magic Cards they want, otherwise, I'll swim over to Las Vegas right now (but posters said the game isn't yet available) and I'll empty the casino's bank!
So when you click on PICK, this is what you see.
I'm not sure what the arrays are supposed to represent, so I just selected different cards before my choic of 1, 2, and 3 Magic Cards.
Here are the results for ONE Magic Card
. . . for TWO Magic Cards . . .
and THREE Magic Cards . . .
We all had trouble loading the game, especially for me in Chrome. When I loaded the link in IE the game worked first try. Might give that a try.Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyI think IGT shut the door and the party is over. The link takes me to a page for the game, but without logging in you don't get to see anything. The game is not found using the site's search function. :-(
Uh, the party's still open for me. I earlier posted that the site seems to be "ornery", and I had to click 2 or 3 times on the link on page 1 of the OP. I use a lowly iPad2 inherited from my wife who got the AiriPad for Xmas.Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyI think IGT shut the door and the party is over.
Quote: RomesANYONE else gotten more than "one" magic card on a magic card deal???
I've enjoyed playing the first 2 days, but the thrill is gone since I discovered by accident that you can actually "tell" Magic Deal how many Magic Cards you want on the next deal by clicking on the PICK button before your next deal.
I can get 3 Magic Cards as often as I like! I hope IGT forgets to remove the PICK button (between the speaker icon and the BET ONE icon) when they introduce Magic Deal in downtown Las Vegas.
Quote: tringlomaneCouldn't get it to work on my windows computer, but got it to work on my android phone straight away. No audio though. :(
Good for you!
Did you try the PICK button to get 3 Magic Cards?
Quote: LostWagesGood for you!
Did you try the PICK button to get 3 Magic Cards?
Nah. I've got it before at random in the videopoker.com contest. No audio is a bummer though. Rather wait for sound.
Quote: tringlomaneNah. I've got it before at random in the videopoker.com contest. No audio is a bummer though. Rather wait for sound.
FWIW, on my iPad, I do get sound using the IGT link.
Quote: GaryJKoehlerHas anyone else played and noticed this?
Well Gary, it's only been 4 days and Magic Deal is amongst the "Most Active Forum Threads"! Not only that, there is a separate poll the Wiz himself just started running titled "Analyzing Magic Deal".
Have you gathered the information you were looking for? Did you try using the PICK option, just to see how good it feels to get deal after deal of Royal Flushes (no wild cards) . . . wish I had that power to play any live VP game in Las Vegas. I'm pretty sure it was NOT meant to be available.
I'll keep my eyes open for Magic Deal when we visit Las Vegas this Apr for my VP Tournament!
For the reader who hasn't tried the link on page 1 of the OP, the IGT link is "ornery". You'll have to click and re-click a couple of times to get to the game. The party continues on my iPad with sound; the thrill is dwindling away now that I can PICK any number of Magic Cards or any hand I want dealt to me.
Yes, it's available on Videopoker.com, but you have to have a $ubscription to Gold membership.
Enjoy!
sounds interesting...
Do post your feedback . . . I believe Gary is collecting some data!Quote: flysrbHey Now!
sounds interesting...
Quote: rsactuaryMagic Deal is likely to be the game of the week on videopoker.com starting tomorrow. (it's quite far ahead in the voting, it would be possible for a lot of late votes to change that, though)
Hope that means it's free
I'm too cheap to pay for gold