How much an ACE worth . . . .

The edge provided by an :-

1) In Blackajck, ACE(with a random card) : +50%, T/K/Q/J(with a random card) : +14%
2) In 3CP, ACE(with two random cards) : +64%, King(with two random cards) : +23%
3) In Caribbean Stud Poker, ACE(with four random cards) : ????%, King(with four random cards) : ????%


Anyone can help me ?

You know what it is worth except in Carribean stud poker?

You are asking a question instead of answering my question.

Do you think that it's funny ?

Quote: ssho88

You are asking a question instead of answering my question.

Do you think that it's funny ?

I think your response is now *quite* hilarious. That was an honest question.

As in my first post, the ACE worth +50% and 64% for BLACKJACK and 3CP respectively.

How much an ACE worth in Caribbean Stud Poker ?

Quote: ssho88

As in my first post, the ACE worth +50% and 64% for BLACKJACK and 3CP respectively.

How much an ACE worth in Caribbean Stud Poker ?

I mean, to be exact, you would have to comb through all the combinations of Player winning between 1 and 201 units, pushes, and Player losing -1 or -3 units.

I'll take an educated guess and say it's around +20 to +30%.

Assuming you play all hands of one pair or better, and fold all Ace-King highs and worse, you would be folding about 50% of the time (compared to the basic strategy 48% fold percentage), but all your two pair and one pair hands get disproportionally stronger (about 40% of one pair hands are now Aces), and much more likely to be 5 or 3 unit winners.

So where in the typical game, the Player will lose 3 units about 13.7% of the time, and win 3 units about 11.7% of the time, if we are weighing one pair hands heavily toward Aces, this number may be closer to 8% (lose 3 units) and 17% (win 3 units).

I am agree with you that player must comb through all the combinations in order to get the exact results.

I guess you should have the program to comb through all the combinations since you can give all the above numbers.

Do you have such program ?

Quote: ssho88

I am agree with you that player must comb through all the combinations in order to get the exact results.

I guess you should have the program to comb through all the combinations since you can give all the above numbers.

Do you have such program ?

I am running a simulation right now for you. I am not sure I fully understand the question. So, I am assuming that the player has top-card knowledge and can see if his *first card* is an Ace. You want that edge. Also, what is the edge if his *first card* is a King? This is not the same as knowing that there is at least one Ace(King) in the hand.

Quote: ssho88

The edge provided by an :-

3) In Caribbean Stud Poker, ACE(with four random cards) : ????%, King(with four random cards) : ????%

The following results are based on simulating 100M hands of CS with the indicated first card.

* Given that the player's *first* card is an Ace, the player has about a 12.49% edge over the house.

* Given that the player's *first* card is a King, the player has about an 8.77% edge over the house.

Maybe the simplest answer to this question is "one or eleven"?!

Results from a complete cycle:

Edge with A???? is 12.727992%
Edge with K???? is 9.032054%

These results assume perfect strategy. My previous post based on a simulation of 100M hands used Mike's simplified CS strategy. Each of the results above required a cycle consisting of 1,916,656,780,500 individual hands. Each took about 5 hours of computer time.

A bit higher than I guessed. Thanks teliot. I hope the OP eventually thanks you for this though... :-\

Quote: tringlomane

A bit higher than I guessed. Thanks teliot. I hope the OP eventually thanks you for this though... :-\

I heard from the OP indirectly -- all I can say is that he should not have posted his question if he didn't want a public answer. Once I read the question, it didn't take long to figure out that the guy is a strong advantage player who had a specific play in mind.