Am I Slot or Not?

Quote: EvenBob

The Bally roulette slot is the most deviant slot I know of...

I am highly suspicious of the accuracy of this comment.

Quote: marksolberg

Pacomartin,
If each player plays from a virtual deck (which I'm not disputing) wouldn't you have a problem accounting for the dealer's hand? There is only one dealers hand and it needs to be drawn from a true virtual deck. Which deck is it drawn from? A player and dealer may end up with the same cards and that isn't possible in the table game. I've always thought that virtual cards and dice must have the same probability in the virtual game as they would in a physical game.

Mark

Well the dealer's virtual cards could be removed from every layers virtual shoe. The key point is that your probabilities are not affected by another player's choices. It is a requirement for jurisdictions that are "slot only". Since the virtual shoes are shuffled 2/3 of the way, it would be very hard to tell.

The distinction cannot be used by the player. Normally machines shuffle their single deck every play. However since the house edge is inherently slightly higher in a multi de the ShuffleMaster company chose to program it that way.

Quote: pacomartin

I am highly suspicious of the accuracy of this comment.

What I meant was, most people think they're playing
a virtual game of roulette, and they're not. I thought
it was the real thing too. I started seeing weird things
and a tech flat out told me they're just slot machines,
they pay off exactly like slots do. In other words, if
you're not a slot player, don't bother.

Quote: pacomartin

I am highly suspicious of the accuracy of this comment.

Paco, consider the source first....

That doesn't make ANY sense. A slot machine is set to payback at a predetermined schedule based on a players wager, which is also set at a predetermined amount (on a penny machine, anywhere from 1-250 credits). The reels are simply a physical representation of the payout.

The roulette machines will allow any player to be any undetermined amount. You could bet every number exactly the same, and guess what, it pays 35:1 and you'll be down the two extra bets made. There would be no way for the RNG to know what the bet is and pay off at a predetermined rate (i.e. The player wagers exactly $1, and the payoff is 250:1 for that spin.) Playing one number in that scenario Bob described, the machine would HAVE to pay out $250, and that's impossible.

Furthermore, a "slot tech" is simply a person who opens up machines and tries to figure out why paper is jamming or why a machine is malfunctioning. They know nothing about an RNG of a particular machine or how or when it's going to pay out. It's like the dealer who tells a player that standing on 16 is better than hitting 16 on BJ all the time, so you can try to see the dealer bust. He/she doesn't necessarily know the odds any better (and in some cases, maybe worse).

Quote: Dween

Have you ever seen games like these catch on?

I can't think of a single game that has "caught on" like that.

Quote: Dween

Will games like these catch on?

As a 35 year-old grew-up-on-video-games-and-computers-child, I would be more apt to play something that is more interactive and fun with a decent pay return.

I don't see these catching on in the future. I do think there will be a point where there are some skill based slot machines, but the designers will make sure that 7% house edge (or more) stays in tact. Losses at that rate will deter skill players from making a go at those machines.

By the way, this doesn't include machines that are wongable. Piggy Banking and a few others can be profitable if the bank is high enough. I find those Deal or No Deal (ALL DEALS, NO REELS) machines to be that way. In Vegas, I make a point of finding a primed machine, then take a deal that exceeds the amount I invested. I've only lost once doing that, and that was greed on my admission. Then again, I've never won a huge amount either, so you couldn't make a living off it.