Color War
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August 13th, 2016 at 2:50:06 PM
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It is time for part three of four in our series of August 2016 Vegas field trials. This time the name of the game is Color War and the casino is the Palace Station.
The game is like betting red or black in roulette. However, it is based on picking the color in majority in seven Player cards. However, there is a catch. If the player would otherwise win, but the dealer cards have at least six of the opposite color, then the win is turned into a push.
Throw in a side bet for good measure that pays if the color split is 6/1 or 7/0 either way.
Please click the link above and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections. The amateur mathematicians on the forum may enjoy doing the math themselves as homework.
The question for the poll is -- you guessed it -- would you play Color War?
The game is like betting red or black in roulette. However, it is based on picking the color in majority in seven Player cards. However, there is a catch. If the player would otherwise win, but the dealer cards have at least six of the opposite color, then the win is turned into a push.
Throw in a side bet for good measure that pays if the color split is 6/1 or 7/0 either way.
Please click the link above and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections. The amateur mathematicians on the forum may enjoy doing the math themselves as homework.
The question for the poll is -- you guessed it -- would you play Color War?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 13th, 2016 at 3:13:37 PM
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Whoever is in charge of selecting games at Palace Station needs his/her head examined. Of all the games I've seen and been pitched over the years, this might be one of the lamest.
ZCore13
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August 13th, 2016 at 3:22:50 PM
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At first I thought it was a racial thing. They couldn't come up with a better name?
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August 13th, 2016 at 3:36:42 PM
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The red/black analysis and color bonus analysis combinations are correct as they appear; they are not being rounded.
You can confirm the total through brute force: (52)C(7) x (45)C(7) = 13 x 17 x 47 x 46 x 45 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 40 x 13; change (46 x 45) to (23 x 90) and move the terms ending in 0 to the end, and you get 13 x 17 x 47 x 23 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 13 x 40 x 90; change 40 x 90 to 36 x 100, and you get 13 x 17 x 47 x 23 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 13 x 36 x 100. Excluding the 100, no pairs of terms can be combined to get a multiple of 10 as it requires a multiple of 5, so the result ends in exactly two zeroes.
You can confirm the total through brute force: (52)C(7) x (45)C(7) = 13 x 17 x 47 x 46 x 45 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 40 x 13; change (46 x 45) to (23 x 90) and move the terms ending in 0 to the end, and you get 13 x 17 x 47 x 23 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 13 x 40 x 90; change 40 x 90 to 36 x 100, and you get 13 x 17 x 47 x 23 x 44 x 43 x 7 x 41 x 13 x 36 x 100. Excluding the 100, no pairs of terms can be combined to get a multiple of 10 as it requires a multiple of 5, so the result ends in exactly two zeroes.
I am under the impression that "color war" refers to an activity at summer camps where everybody in the camp is divided into two or more teams, each identified by a color, and they compete against each other in various activities. The elementary school I went to (and at least one of the two others in the same district) did something similar, but it wasn't called "color war" (although the team names were the school colors) and only lasted one day.Quote: darkozAt first I thought it was a racial thing. They couldn't come up with a better name?
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August 13th, 2016 at 4:15:26 PM
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I think the game's name here implies "as easy (simple) as Casino War, using colors."
It could be thought of as "Heads or Tails War" with 7 out of 52 coins or Boolean bits.
There is a public domain red or black side bet for Pai Gow poker, very similar, not very popular.
It could be thought of as "Heads or Tails War" with 7 out of 52 coins or Boolean bits.
There is a public domain red or black side bet for Pai Gow poker, very similar, not very popular.
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August 13th, 2016 at 7:03:56 PM
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Quote: darkozAt first I thought it was a racial thing. They couldn't come up with a better name?
Yeah, no sh*t, I thought this might be about Ferguson or something. Stupid name.
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August 13th, 2016 at 7:34:12 PM
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I was thinking the same thing.Quote: PaigowdanI think the game's name here implies "as easy (simple) as Casino War, using colors."
I wouldn't play it of course, but I think anyone that would play casino war would at least look at this and perhaps try it.
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August 13th, 2016 at 7:36:01 PM
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Does it get worse than this?
August 13th, 2016 at 8:28:05 PM
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Quote: SM777Does it get worse than this?
On rare occasion.
Relatively new game designers believe in the babies to the end of the world no matter how marginal. Every proud poppa's daughter is Miss America.
Old hand game designers often say, "Dang, that isn't a humdinger, good to know it early on. On to the next idea..."
A good game is neither a sophomorically simple game nor too arduous in play. A rough balancing act.
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August 14th, 2016 at 7:38:36 AM
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Quote: bobbartopYeah, no sh*t, I thought this might be about Ferguson or something. Stupid name.
Agreed. Worst game name since Die Rich.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 14th, 2016 at 8:04:06 AM
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Quote: Zcore13Whoever is in charge of selecting games at Palace Station needs his/her head examined. Of all the games I've seen and been pitched over the years, this might be one of the lamest.
ZCore13
This was developed by a student in the UNLV table game innovation course, as part of its gaming program. I'm sure that helped big time as far as gaining a trial.
I'm not sure what truth there is to it, but some people on linkedin are informing the inventor that the "exact game" was described identically in a book called Chance & Luck.
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August 14th, 2016 at 8:17:43 AM
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Wow! This looks extremely boring. There has to be a student with a better idea than this...
August 14th, 2016 at 9:02:46 AM
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Quote: RonCWow! This looks extremely boring. There has to be a student with a better idea than this...
There are elementary school students with better game ideas than this.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 14th, 2016 at 9:10:24 AM
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Quote: Mission146There are elementary school students with better game ideas than this.
It's still on the floor in Las Vegas.............
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August 14th, 2016 at 9:12:32 AM
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Quote: mrsuit31It's still on the floor in Las Vegas.............
It has to be a friend or relative of the Table Games Director. There is no other explanation.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
August 14th, 2016 at 9:45:37 AM
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Of all the dolts wandering the casino floor looking for something other than boozing to do, this just might appeal to their alcohol fogged brains.Quote: Zcore13Of all the games I've seen and been pitched over the years, this might be one of the lamest.
August 14th, 2016 at 9:48:11 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffOf all the dolts wandering the casino floor looking for something other than boozing to do, this just might appeal to their alcohol fogged brains.
Trust me, I judge games based on that being one of the criteria. It still fails.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
September 26th, 2016 at 12:43:40 PM
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The end date for the trial was yesterday according to the NGCB list. I wonder how the game did....
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September 26th, 2016 at 2:36:52 PM
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That book was published in 1887. The game is on the floor in 2016.Quote: mrsuit31I'm not sure what truth there is to it, but some people on linkedin are informing the inventor that the "exact game" was described identically in a book called Chance & Luck.
There's a lesson about patience in there somewhere.
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September 26th, 2016 at 2:41:29 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistThat book was published in 1887. The game is on the floor in 2016.Quote: mrsuit31I'm not sure what truth there is to it, but some people on linkedin are informing the inventor that the "exact game" was described identically in a book called Chance & Luck.
There's a lesson about patience in there somewhere.
Maybe someone can bring back Faro,with a sidebet and a few tweaks to the pay schedule.
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September 26th, 2016 at 5:40:54 PM
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Quote: Hunterhill
Maybe someone can bring back Faro,with a sidebet and a few tweaks to the pay schedule.
You know, I one proposed that idea on the job, saying that re-offering the game with a good humdinger mechanism to offer the game, shoe-dealt and straight up with a good side bet, with house edges of 0.6% to 2.0% - might make for a good offering, now.
I was sent for drug testing.
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October 11th, 2016 at 4:03:55 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Trust me, I judge games based on that being one of the criteria. It still fails.
ZCore13
Your right, it got pulled after two weeks...
Link to article including an interview with color war inventor and the outcome of the trial
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October 11th, 2016 at 4:16:53 PM
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I like how the inventor says:
I only needed 2 minutes. :)
ZCore13
Quote:“Two weeks is not enough time to prove anything,” said Lee,
I only needed 2 minutes. :)
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
October 11th, 2016 at 4:31:12 PM
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It will take him 20 years to drop from "more than 2 weeks" to 2 minutes.
October 11th, 2016 at 5:48:46 PM
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Quote: Zcore13I like how the inventor says:
"Two weeks is not enough time to prove anything, Lee said"
I only needed 2 minutes. :)
ZCore13
My reaction if I was him...
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