AxelWolf
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December 26th, 2016 at 8:27:48 PM permalink
From what I understand at one time there were good opportunities on LINKED must hits with good meter movement.

In the early 2000's many Station group casino's had nickel linked multi way must hits(they had some $1 as well). Just the .5 denominations were fairly lucrative by going place to place. As the competition started finding out and showing up, it cut into your profits significantly, but it was still good.

If Australia had lots of linked $1 machines I certainly believe it was possible to make some serious money. I don't know what the conditions there are now, so who knows how valuable it is?

Can he look someone with AP slot knowledge in the face and tell them 2 people can REALISTICALLY make 200k in EV without a monster bankroll? At what point does he stop selling this information? If its worth 200k for the fist few people, what about the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th couple? Give me a break about the NDA, if he will take anyone willing to pay there's no way to contain information leaking and breeding more competition. How can you even prove who told who?

If its so easy, lucrative as he makes it sound. Since he's got the bankroll and all the knowledge and secrets Why not start a team yourself? What's to keep other teams from springing up and dominating?

He's doing, consulting , casino seminars, books, media etc etc(???)
Isn't that a big conflict of interest? I certainly wouldn't want to pay 8k knowing he's doing all of that and selling it to more people.
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December 26th, 2016 at 8:51:19 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

His main target is "must hit by" progressive slots. I saw him speak at the World Game Protection Conference in Las Vegas a few years back. His talk boiled down to a single formula that gives the approximate dollar value of the "must hit by" progressive at which the player should play.



I saw the same talk and agree with your categorization. I'm not saying he didn't do well playing them, but I almost never see such games close to the "must hit by" point in Vegas. What I'm not sure is whether advantage players roam the casino floors hunting for them or recreational players simply are more likely to play when the meter is close or past the point of being ripe.
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December 27th, 2016 at 1:22:04 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I saw the same talk and agree with your categorization. I'm not saying he didn't do well playing them, but I almost never see such games close to the "must hit by" point in Vegas. What I'm not sure is whether advantage players roam the casino floors hunting for them or recreational players simply are more likely to play when the meter is close or past the point of being ripe.

The new breed of must hits you see in Vegas have bad meters and are not usually linked. Big difference between the ones we normally see and the versions he talked about in the past.

I think he's claiming there's newer linked versions that are fairly good.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 27th, 2016 at 3:09:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If its worth 200k for the fist few people, what about the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th couple?

Definitely goes down.

Quote: AxelWolf

What's to keep other teams from springing up and dominating?

(1) Bankroll
(2) Overall hourly rate might be too low for many people, even though EV/yr is high
(3) Obscure locations that people are unwilling to travel to for extended periods
(4) Scouting cost is high

Some people (and teams) work really hard to make an area look unprofitable if they see new competition.
In extreme cases, they may wipe out possible plays below 100%, just so possible competition will leave the area.

Quote: Wizard

I almost never see such games close to the "must hit by" point in Vegas.

Must-hits don't have much EV in Vegas. They don't get as much action as they do in other places, and there's an army of pros. Some people do a run visiting obscure casinos at 4-6 am on many mornings...

It's easier to play must-hits when they are 3-8% looser than Vegas off-strip/on-strip.

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