Minimum bankroll...

Hi everyone,

Thanks very much for your input!

Tom...why did you say that playing a game with a higher odds bets be foolish? If my bankroll can handle it, wouldn't the "best" table to play at (for a pass line bettor who bets as I do as mentioned above) be the one with the lowest minimum and highest odds (20X for example)?

So in your opinion, if I were to play at Casino Royale on their $3 minimum table with 20X odds (this was in fact where I was going to play most likely), you suggest playing the dark side due to the bouncy tables there? My plan was to play the light side and be betting the max (so $63) with a bankroll of $1000, but I am interested in hearing more of your experiences at Casino Royale. Maybe I should be playing the dark side?

Thanks!

eastcoastguy,
I'll start this reply "In my opinion"
I don't like contract bets period! granted you could always take your odds bets down after a few rolls and no hits.
I don't bet pass line unless I'm shooting and I never take odds. In my opinion, pass line with odds is a way for the casino to get you to bet more . When I bet pass line, I also bet the "don't" pass and try and go up on at least 1 or 2 don't comes hoping to seven out quickly. I don't seem to have much difficulty with that. I'm not a DI (don't practice enough), but do set the dice for an all sevens showing.
When I do bet right, I'll place the inside numbers at an amount that I can regress after 1 hit. After 2 hits I'm down.

My advice to you would be to watch the table(s) for a few shooters to see what numbers are hitting, and if you would have won on those shooters or not. If shooters are throwing quick point seven outs, beware. Listen to the table for "cheering" or the opposite. Look at the chip racks to see if they are filling up or if they look empty. Look at the type of bets on the table. Are they pass line bets,place bets, don't pass or don't come. These observations will give you an idea of what to bet or not.
As far as Casino Royale, practically every shooter that was on the table with me couldn't keep the dice on the table (including me 1 time). There were many quick seven outs due to "extra" cushioning under the felt. I believe it caused the dice to tumble more and make them prone to seven outs (beware).

Don't forget to have someone else hold the bail money. In case Dan Lubin has you arrested for dice setting..

Re: Casino Royale-

I just returned from a Vegas trip. I played craps at Casino Royale. My plan was to bet $3 on the pass line and back it with $30 odds. Within minutes the dealers hassled me for tips. After 10 minutes and no tips I was paid wrong. When I pointed this out, another "tip" reference was made. I figured it was time for me to leave.

For what it's worth; I used a session bankroll of $300 ($3/$30).

If "extra cushioning" can cause more tumble, and more frequent 7's; then it must be easy to avoid rolling a 7 on a hard surface?

I think not....

also makes you wonder why they offer 100x odds, unless they know something about their tables!

Tips should be given more frequently when you are winning ,and not to rude dealers at the table. Time to find another place to play. A $2 two way hard 6 or 8 every fourth or fifth shooter goes a long way with the dealers. Again, only if they are helpful and not hating their jobs.

apparently extra bounciness is bad for those dice setting professionals like tconley. Bouncy = 7 outs. It's like when someone takes the dealer's bust card in blackjack or after 10 reds there just HAS to be a black fall in roulette. Just common knowledge :P

IMO the 100x odds is more of a gimmick. I've been to CR quite a few times and I have never seen any craps players with a $5 pass and $500 odds bet.

I tend to agree that the 100x odds are a gimmick to make you lose your money faster. Sure they're free odds, but just like the double up on Video Poker, if you keep pressing sooner or later your luck is going to run out and free odds don't amount to anything if you don't have money.

I couldn't count the number of times I've seen $500 be gone in 15 minutes at a "cold" 20x odds table.

eastcoastguy,
Don't change the way you are betting unless you are knowledgeable with it. You mentioned that you never bet the "don't" and rarely place bet. Theses bets have their advantages and disadvantages. If you don't understand their play, and when to take them down or hedge, you can lose your bankroll quickly.
IMO, if you bet pass line w/odds, you should start slowly, then work your odds bets up if winning. Small wins, and keeping your losses to a minimum is smart "gambling".