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Paradigm
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:24:52 PM permalink
Wiz, I think the assumption in the comments are that the George Pay is really being taken from the player because it isn't added to their win. This concept is based on the fact that the casino is going to put in a side bet with an overall HE of X based on all pays that they have to make when it wins. If X is constant, they are giving some of the RTP to the dealer instead of the player, so to me the George bet does directly impact the "theorectical" HE the casino is offering to the player...but your way to calc the constant HE is the correct one and the one that the player is up against when deciding to make the bet.
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Paradigm
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November 10th, 2016 at 2:27:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Maybe I should create a table showing how much the casino can expect to make according to the pay table and amount wagered.


Too much work and I don't think it benefits your player audience. The game inventor/distributor should put that together for sales purposes...is this a SHFL knockoff of 21+3? They started the dealer auto pay with Kings Bounty, so it makes sense this is one of their concepts as well.
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November 10th, 2016 at 3:16:36 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Too much work and I don't think it benefits your player audience. The game inventor/distributor should put that together for sales purposes...is this a SHFL knockoff of 21+3? They started the dealer auto pay with Kings Bounty, so it makes sense this is one of their concepts as well.



Too late. I already added a couple tables for that. It will probably make it even more confusing for the player.

Did anybody interpret my page to mean the player was required to pay the Lucky George bonus out of his winnings? If so, he doesn't. That bonus comes from the casino.
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November 10th, 2016 at 3:25:19 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The house edge of the player's bet does not depend on the Lucky George bonus, because the player does not get that money.

I get what you mean, but in this case, House Edge does not equal Player Disadvantage.

I don't expect additional math/chart columns, but i think it should be mentioned and/or labeled as such.
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Paradigm
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November 10th, 2016 at 4:24:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Did anybody interpret my page to mean the player was required to pay the Lucky George bonus out of his winnings? If so, he doesn't. That bonus comes from the casino.


I think I am adding to the confusion...I don't think the player pays the dealer out of their winnings and I doubt anyone else did. My point is I would consider the Lucky George bet as won by the player as they were the only one making a wager and then being forced to give it away as toke money.

Based on principle alone I would simply make a $1 wager on the main bet and avoid any side bet with increased the HE to subsidize an forced toke. And I toke dealers more than most players when I am at the table, so that isn't the issue.
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November 10th, 2016 at 5:53:23 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable

Auto-gratuity has entered the world of casino gaming....

Is there a difference in tax treatment, either for the dealer or the casino, between receiving $1 from gaming operations vs. receiving $1 as a hand-in tip vs. receiving $1 as winnings from this wager?
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June 9th, 2017 at 9:19:05 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The TriLux, if I the name right, is a blackjack side bet found somewhere in Ohio. I'm not sure where. It is like the 21+3 but pays the dealer a bonus upon any player winning hand. For all the details, please see my new page on Tri Lux side bet. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.

Which questions in the poll do you agree with? Multiple votes allowed.


As I reported yesterday, Greektown added this side bet to 3 of their tables. The tables are 4 deck CSM's. Your page only lists the HE for 6 decks. Anybody have the numbers for a 4 deck game based on pay table 1? (all wins pay 8 to 1)

P.S. These 3 tables are also 6:5 games and should be avoided anyway!!!!!
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Hunterhill
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June 9th, 2017 at 11:37:25 AM permalink
Read farther down the page he lists the house edge for different number of decks.iirc it was in the 12-13% area.
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June 9th, 2017 at 12:15:40 PM permalink
D'oh! I don't know how I missed that. Thanks.
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