ANYTHING BUT 7

So sorry, you asked me...
"Most Iron Cross players also bet the pass line bet on the come out roll. Why not you?"
No good reason. Is there something I'm missing by not betting the PL with the IC method I use?

Quote: wrragsdale

It just fascinates me that I keep standing there 3 hours at a time and keep cashing out more than what I bought in for which is always a plus...am I setting myself up for a bust soon???

No one can tell. But the math shows that you will lose in the long run no matter what. Only 68 up overall? Over how many sessions?

So you understand that the majority of the stats that were listed above, people LOST money.....right?

It's your money, do what you will, but your exponential Martingale is doomed to fail in the long term.

Quote: wrragsdale

So sorry, you asked me...
"Most Iron Cross players also bet the pass line bet on the come out roll. Why not you?"
No good reason. Is there something I'm missing by not betting the PL with the IC method I use?

You're missing the best odds in the entire game, the P/L and odds......

Over 9 sessions I've won a total of 2,268 so my original buy-in has been paid off plus 68.00.
I'm sure the stats are correct and at some point, possibly my next session, I'll see the three PSO's.

Quote: YoDiceRoll11

You're missing the best odds in the entire game, the P/L and odds......

so what do you think would be a reasonable amount to add to my buy-in to play the PL, at a $10 minimum table, to play a $10 PL bet with 1X odds?

Quote: wrragsdale

Over 9 sessions I've won a total of 2,268 so my original buy-in has been paid off plus 68.00.
I'm sure the stats are correct and at some point, possibly my next session, I'll see the three PSO's.

Right. Pass with odds offers the best odds at the table. Why throw it away?
How many odds? At least 1X.
More if your bankroll can afford it.

Now, say your 9 sessions were all 250 dice rolls long.
You have seen 2250 dice rolls.
That means you have seen about 444 come out rolls that you made bets on the very next roll.

You have not lost yet. That is fantastic.

I fired up WinCraps also and agree with 7craps on the ~1280 average rolls before losing your 3 progression bets in a row.
I only had 10,000 players play your system, my time was limited, and only 1725 made it past 2250 rolls.
Consider yourself very lucky.

I show over 6900 LOST money once the 3 progressions were lost.

added: Check out the 1 player that broke even.
Player #1071
roll 1210
he ended up exactly with his starting bankroll of $2200. He was at $4,228 before lightning struck! Major Bummer!


You are up $2268.
Keep going and I agree, let us know how much remains when you finally lose your progression.
Enjoy!

Added:
Oops. here are the overall results.
Looks like one player made $13,688 after losing his progression.

Who knows, maybe that will be you, and you can laugh at us all.
But be careful the more time you play. You may not stay so lucky forever.

ps
The casino made over $3 million from these 10,000 players. They LOVE system players.
Comps for everyone!

If you want a better chance to come out ahead you should be betting $10 P/L playing 2x odds on 6/8, 1x odds on 5/9, 1x or no odds on 4/10 (or you can if you feel like it, still a good bet). Maybe once every 3-4 shooters (after qualifying some) play your Iron cross. You should never be betting more than P/L with odds, maybe plus 2 numbers of action without qualifying someone. Otherwise you are throwing your money away by making things more complicated than they need to be.

Do that plus, stop this crazy non martingale negative regression, and you will win more money over a longer period of time.

Short term results and trends mean nothing. Your system will lose over the long term. You just have to decide if you want to "gamble" your money and get more in the short term, but lose in the long term. Or play the odds of the game, and perhaps have smaller short term paybacks, but have a chance of winning in the long run.

Quote: guido111

Looks like one player made $13,688 after losing his progression.

Who knows, maybe that will be you, and you can laugh at us all.

This is the type of thinking that most gamblers lose at craps. Advantage players will not ever bet 10,000 to 1 and use such a volatile betting strategy.

10,000 to 1 odds you will make over 6x your bankroll. Throw in real world variance, and those odds rise a bit as well.

The math speaks for itself as shown by guido. More players than not, will lose money. Time to take a look at simpler, more conservative strategies. Or have fun doing what I call, "Betting and sweating".