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AlanMendelson
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September 2nd, 2020 at 2:34:34 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As an update, I returned to the Red Rock today with my 50-cent voucher from August 26. They honored it at the cage without fuss. I also found that the redemption machines will not pay out coins, but give a voucher for the change. The machines do accept these vouchers of 99-cents or less.



Had I known I would have bought you lunch.

On my last visit, in less than five minutes, I found three one-cent vouchers, one for 16-cents, and a jackpot of 36-cents on the cash out machines or the tops of disinfectant dispensers next to them.

One day they'll help me round up to a full dollar.
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September 2nd, 2020 at 3:29:28 PM permalink
Quote: Viper21

I'm sure it varies per state and jurisdictions but wasn't there a case with an old lady who cashed out a abandoned nickel voucher and was then backroomed and she sued and got $600,000. Then in that case it set the precedent that taking abandoned vouchers from machines wasn't theft. Also i thought I heard abandoned vouchers go to the state.



That did happen but it didn't set any precedent.

It just proved to casinos it's not always best to have a zero tolerance policy.

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September 3rd, 2020 at 6:22:35 PM permalink
The whole thing is just a crock. Merchants are trying to take advantage of it too. The supermarket tried to charge me a $1 fee to get cash back at the the register. It’s not even metal...
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September 3rd, 2020 at 6:48:36 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

In Nevada prepared food is taxed. Groceries at the market are not taxed unless you are buying prepared food, all restaurants do tax because the food is prepared.


Along the same line but food stamps instead of taxes, a weird thing in PA is that you can use food stamps on prepared food as long as it’s not hot.

So at Wawa you get get a ham hoagie with food stamps, but not if it was toasted.

In would think that rule would apply to rotisserie chickens in grocery stores, which is kinda ironic considering they are one of the most economical ways to eat.
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September 3rd, 2020 at 6:49:43 PM permalink
If every single person with a coin voucher actually spent the time to redeem at the cashier the EXACT SAME AMOUNT of coins would be redeemed, correct?

Which means the casino has the coins at the cashier for redemption.

Which means yes, it's a whole crock of crapola.

They just are doing a money grab hoping people are too lazy to get on line at the cashier
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September 3rd, 2020 at 6:51:32 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Along the same line but food stamps instead of taxes, a weird thing in PA is that you can use food stamps on prepared food as long as it’s not hot.

So at Wawa you get get a ham hoagie with food stamps, but not if it was toasted.

In would think that rule would apply to rotisserie chickens in grocery stores, which is kinda ironic considering they are one of the most economical ways to eat.



That's new York as well.

(And no I am not on food stamps. There are signs at every store that serves prepared food and accepts benefits)
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September 3rd, 2020 at 8:26:54 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That's new York as well.

(And no I am not on food stamps. There are signs at every store that serves prepared food and accepts benefits)



Here, the rule is that you can buy food that "requires" preparation but not food that has been prepared to completion by others. So a fully cooked fried chicken that is in the deli cold case and requires heating is in, but a hot fried chicken is out. When I was a grocery store manager, that was often the same bird a couple hours apart.

Edit: reason for quotes above - who hasn't eaten cold fried chicken? Who actually heats those pre-packed cold-cut sandwiches that say to microwave for 20 seconds?
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September 3rd, 2020 at 10:53:33 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If every single person with a coin voucher actually spent the time to redeem at the cashier the EXACT SAME AMOUNT of coins would be redeemed, correct?

Which means the casino has the coins at the cashier for redemption.

Which means yes, it's a whole crock of crapola.

They just are doing a money grab hoping people are too lazy to get on line at the cashier

...which means you're wrong. Try again. Class, don't help him.
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September 3rd, 2020 at 10:54:52 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

The whole thing is just a crock. Merchants are trying to take advantage of it too. The supermarket tried to charge me a $1 fee to get cash back at the the register. It’s not even metal...

It's not new, I know some of the dollar stores did this a year ago and maybe 711. Plus think cash limit was $10-$20.
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darkoz
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September 3rd, 2020 at 11:13:45 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

...which means you're wrong. Try again. Class, don't help him.



I'm not wrong.

You are going to suggest the cashier combines multiple tickets so that ten tickets under a dollar are cashed out for a few paper dollars and some loose change thereby eliminating some of the coinage.

But that's assuming people are waiting and saving up their coin receipts.

I'm talking about normal circumstances where everyone cashes whatever coin voucher they are left with after gambling.

If everyone went to the cashier with their single change voucher the casino would have to have the coins to pay out same as the redemption machines
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onenickelmiracle
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September 4th, 2020 at 12:01:15 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I'm not wrong.

You are going to suggest the cashier combines multiple tickets so that ten tickets under a dollar are cashed out for a few paper dollars and some loose change thereby eliminating some of the coinage.

But that's assuming people are waiting and saving up their coin receipts.

I'm talking about normal circumstances where everyone cashes whatever coin voucher they are left with after gambling.

If everyone went to the cashier with their single change voucher the casino would have to have the coins to pay out same as the redemption machines

People aren't idiots to wait minutes to break even. The line would be outrageous if people waited for the change from 1 ticket. I suppose if it got really bad, the cashiers could round every person's tickets to the nearest dollar.
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September 4th, 2020 at 2:13:37 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

People aren't idiots to wait minutes to break even. The line would be outrageous if people waited for the change from 1 ticket. I suppose if it got really bad, the cashiers could round every person's tickets to the nearest dollar.



Agreed.

But that was my original point.

The casino is using the fact people won't wait on the line to pocket the money themselves but they must actually have all that change at the cashier as they cannot be certain how many people will wait.

I truly hope if they did run out of change they would round up to the nearest dollar but my experience with casinos is they penny pinch. More likely they would give you another receipt for a cash credit upon your next visit lol
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September 4th, 2020 at 3:44:36 AM permalink
I had a casino that printed out a voucher for the remaining change and it literally said to come back on a later date in order to redeem the coins.
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September 4th, 2020 at 4:48:47 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That's new York as well.

(And no I am not on food stamps. There are signs at every store that serves prepared food and accepts benefits)



This was true in West Virginia when I worked at a grocery store, of course, that was over fifteen years ago.
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May 28th, 2021 at 3:26:53 PM permalink
The Federal coin shortage is back. My local bank would only give me $40 of quarters. I went two towns over and the branch there didn't have any quarters. They called two other branches and they were out of quarters. I was told there were no shipments of quarters to the banks this past week. I was asked to try the bank behind the bank I was in, but since I wasn't a customer at that bank, they said no way. I was also given a tip to go to a Federal credit union down the street, and they took pity on me and sold me $40 of quarters. I was told to check out a car wash outside of town, but they changed their dispenser from quarters or tokens to tokens only.

I bought a years worth of quarters at the start of this thread, and I was getting down to halfway empty, so I thought I'd top up some more.
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May 28th, 2021 at 3:43:22 PM permalink
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I noticed a couple cars in my town that somebody spray painted the license plates with a silver spray paint. What would that be about?



The license plates were defective and peeling. We're getting newer license plates for the toll readers, but since the prisons and the mail and DMV's are backed up, I wasn't required to to get new plates at registration renewal time. I notice I get hit with a laser radar when I hit certain deactivated toll booths. There's signs everywhere saying your registration will be suspended if you aren't properly billed for the tolls. I'm not sure their computers are catching the EZ Pass so they catch the license plates too and work out the discrepancies days later sometimes. I see traffic slows down for these over the road toll structures, like people going 65 instead of 75.
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May 28th, 2021 at 4:26:50 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

The Federal coin shortage is back. My local bank would only give me $40 of quarters.



Meanwhile, I told both my banks I have about $1,000 in loose change and would happily deposit it to my account if they counted it. Both said a firm "no."

However, the Red Rock said they would take a reasonable amount and pay me face value. I have yet to bother to take them up on it.
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May 28th, 2021 at 4:41:06 PM permalink
Just bring them $100 a week and you'll be free of the extra size jug of coins by September. Wrap it yourself. Take the pennies to the 13% HA coin sorter.
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May 28th, 2021 at 4:43:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Meanwhile, I told both my banks I have about $1,000 in loose change and would happily deposit it to my account if they counted it. Both said a firm "no."

However, the Red Rock said they would take a reasonable amount and pay me face value. I have yet to bother to take them up on it.

Me and MaxPen had a bet regarding some of your change.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 28th, 2021 at 5:37:57 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Meanwhile, I told both my banks I have about $1,000 in loose change and would happily deposit it to my account if they counted it. Both said a firm "no."

However, the Red Rock said they would take a reasonable amount and pay me face value. I have yet to bother to take them up on it.



At risk of getting political, it's time for change!
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December 15th, 2021 at 6:50:51 AM permalink
Yesterday, I did my bit for the alleged coin shortage and took this cookie tin full of coins to the Suncoast.

Here are the facts:
Weight = 37.0 pounds.
Volume of coins = 197 cubic inches.
Total money = $471.31 (plus an Argentine peso and four arcade tokens).
Ratio of money to weight = $12.71 per pound
Ratio of money to cubic inches = $2.39

The Suncoast cashes in loose change for free. They did seem a bit annoyed with the arcade tokens.

I also cashed an expired TITO from 2019, which they accepted, so a thumbs up to the Suncoast for that too.

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December 15th, 2021 at 7:04:32 AM permalink
The grocery store has change cups, on their self-checkout machines. When I start seeing too many coins at home I drop a fistful in my pocket. Then when I check out, I drop the whole handful in the machine and it counts it out towards my purchase. If it's way more than the purchase, it converts it to bills.
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:18:17 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

The grocery store has change cups, on their self-checkout machines. When I start seeing too many coins at home I drop a fistful in my pocket. Then when I check out, I drop the whole handful in the machine and it counts it out towards my purchase. If it's way more than the purchase, it converts it to bills.
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These are low speed, low volume automatic counters, and I have had inaccurate results putting in more than a few coins at a time (not in my favor).
They're really not designed to handle more than a dollar in coins at once.
Your mileage may vary, but I'd suggest not dumping in a whole pig bank at once.
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:21:01 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: rxwine

The grocery store has change cups, on their self-checkout machines. When I start seeing too many coins at home I drop a fistful in my pocket. Then when I check out, I drop the whole handful in the machine and it counts it out towards my purchase. If it's way more than the purchase, it converts it to bills.
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These are low speed, low volume automatic counters, and I have had inaccurate results putting in more than a few coins at a time (not in my favor).
They're really not designed to handle more than a dollar in coins at once.
Your mileage may vary, but I'd suggest not dumping in a whole pig bank at once.
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I will check on that. Yes they are low speed, but you need to wait around. Extra change takes awhile to return. Sometimes 10-15 seconds in between the last change returning. And this may go on for 2 minutes, or so.
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:24:07 AM permalink
...in fact I've had employees come over to see why I was standing there watching the machine apparently doing nothing. And then another coin or two will drop.

(I don't do it when it's busy)
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:26:00 AM permalink
To be fair, I was treating the self checkout like the autocounter down at the credit union and just dumping it all in until the hopper was full, letting it grind, then dumping in more.
I probably lost $2 due to the mechanism jamming.

20 coins at a time would probably have been fine.

They're really designed to take around 4 coins at once, as fair as I can tell.
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:41:15 AM permalink
According to their results coin counters were off 18.5 cents for every $300.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLneUMVb8o
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December 15th, 2021 at 7:44:52 AM permalink
On the other hand, one of those machines they tested shorted them $40+. So,,, I guess you won't really know unless you keep track.
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