Poll

22 votes (91.66%)
2 votes (8.33%)

24 members have voted

darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 12th, 2020 at 7:18:40 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

This story? That doesn't really fit this discussion to me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bet_(short_story)

Now I do remember reading "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson. Where the unlucky loser in the town gets stoned. But in that story those not picked to be stoned weren't awarded a billion dollars either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery



It fits if you understand the ending
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
ChumpChange
ChumpChange
  • Threads: 111
  • Posts: 4738
Joined: Jun 15, 2018
June 12th, 2020 at 7:44:38 PM permalink
So I watched 13th (2016) and 21 (2008) on Netflix last night.
gordonm888
Administrator
gordonm888
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 5005
Joined: Feb 18, 2015
June 12th, 2020 at 10:27:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

No thought about your immune suppressed spouse who is totally dependant on you?



She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 12th, 2020 at 10:41:30 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I've never had much desire to go to space. Not a fan of tight spaces. I don't see me taking such a trip. Can I auction it off to the highest bidder? If not, I'd give it to Make a wish.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
Thanked by
rawtuff
June 12th, 2020 at 11:18:23 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
AZDuffman
AZDuffman
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 13885
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 5:33:01 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Serious question.

How many dead from Coronavirus would make you not want to keep open.

If one million Americans die within the next six months will you still be saying to each his own, give me liberty AND death?



I would pretty much keep them open no matter what. About 3 million people die in the USA every year. Death happens. 1 in 4 of virus deaths are nursing home patients, IOW, it was probably a contributing cause not THE cause. As I said in an earlier post, people, businesses, or institutions the virus is killing the dying.

So we are down to 76,000 not in nursing homes. How many of those were people already weakened by something else?

Then you have to add in that it is generally accepted that the death rate from this thing is inflated for various reasons.

See where I an going? It is not near as bad as you think. It is not bad enough to shut down our way of life in hopes of a vaccine that may never come. And when it does what about the next scare? And the one after that?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
AZDuffman
AZDuffman
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 13885
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 5:44:08 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Definitely, I would be infected by Covid-19 and take the $1 billion if I survived. That is money that would change the life of my family for generations and give me influence to help make social changes I believe in.

In the late 1800's people went out West to try to give themselves an opportunity or because they could get a homestead from the government. Of course there was significant risk in going out West - many people died defending their stagecoaches, or were murdered by bandits or died from disease (lack of doctors) or from other causes. But this nation was the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. There have always been people who would take chances and risk their health and lives. Pioneers. Military volunteers. Front-line covid health workers. Astronauts and explorers. NFL players, lol.



Very true. How about those tunnel rats in Vietnam? They did that job for the pay of an E-4 or below? They did not say "I might get sick!" They saw the challenge and jumped in. To look at these kinds of people in our past and what they did then be afraid to go to a casino because of a bug going around? It does not register with me at all.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
AZDuffman
AZDuffman
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 13885
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 5:47:01 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So I watched 13th (2016) and 21 (2008) on Netflix last night.



You going to see "45" when it comes out in 2024?
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
  • Threads: 121
  • Posts: 10940
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
June 13th, 2020 at 6:46:03 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

As Winston Churchill said, now that we know what you are, we just have to determine your price.



As we ALL are. I went to Med School in a bad neighborhood. There was a murder of a hard working doctor when I was there. No doubt every day I went to work I was putting myself at risk compared to staying home. Now that I think about it, there was a fatal shooting INSIDE my county hospital I worked at the last 15 years. I wouldn't want anyone to have to drive through the surrounding neighborhood.

The best example of this is President of The United States. Around a 10% chance of being killed in office. People do ALL SORTS of things with risks to their lives. Bull riding. Being a cop. Hang gliding. Refusing a flu vaccine.
None of the above pay you a billion.
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
  • Threads: 121
  • Posts: 10940
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
June 13th, 2020 at 6:50:23 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



Russian Roulette... sure.... if there are enough empty chambers. One chamber with a bullet. 999 without. I believe I take the chance for a billion dollars. I wouldn't for 1 with bullet, 99 without. There is a WAY higher chance of me dying within the next year than 1 in 1000.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 7:23:01 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



Russian Roulette... sure.... if there are enough empty chambers. One chamber with a bullet. 999 without. I believe I take the chance for a billion dollars. I wouldn't for 1 with bullet, 99 without. There is a WAY higher chance of me dying within the next year than 1 in 1000.



Clearly you decided it was only worth it with a 100 cylinder gun.

Most Russian roulette examples I have seen are played with a six cylinder revolver. After it's loaded the cylinder is spun.

Playing with multiple people the cylinder is spun after each successful try so the odds don't change.

So 5 empty, 1 loaded? Taking that billion dollar bet
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
Joined: May 20, 2011
Thanked by
SOOPOOdarkozDeMango
June 13th, 2020 at 7:41:35 AM permalink
I've said many times , and I will say it again. Its all about the money, all of the time. Everyone has a price. Different people have different risk tolerance levels and different values, however at the end of the day, we all have a price on any event.

We all want, we all need, we all desire money. Not because of how pretty multiple 0's looks, but because of the things that money can buy and do for your life and your loved one's lives. They is no shame in desiring money. The priests and nuns that preached money is evil in grade school were just way off target. I understand why they say it... you shouldn't do bad things with it. That is in the eye of the beholder.

One thing I would never do, however, is kill another human. No price in the world.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
  • Threads: 121
  • Posts: 10940
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
June 13th, 2020 at 7:50:44 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



Russian Roulette... sure.... if there are enough empty chambers. One chamber with a bullet. 999 without. I believe I take the chance for a billion dollars. I wouldn't for 1 with bullet, 99 without. There is a WAY higher chance of me dying within the next year than 1 in 1000.



Clearly you decided it was only worth it with a 100 cylinder gun.

Most Russian roulette examples I have seen are played with a six cylinder revolver. After it's loaded the cylinder is spun.

Playing with multiple people the cylinder is spun after each successful try so the odds don't change.

So 5 empty, 1 loaded? Taking that billion dollar bet



You didn't read my post carefully. I said it was worth it with a 1000 cylinder gun, not a 100 cylinder gun.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 8:05:38 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



Russian Roulette... sure.... if there are enough empty chambers. One chamber with a bullet. 999 without. I believe I take the chance for a billion dollars. I wouldn't for 1 with bullet, 99 without. There is a WAY higher chance of me dying within the next year than 1 in 1000.



Clearly you decided it was only worth it with a 100 cylinder gun.

Most Russian roulette examples I have seen are played with a six cylinder revolver. After it's loaded the cylinder is spun.

Playing with multiple people the cylinder is spun after each successful try so the odds don't change.

So 5 empty, 1 loaded? Taking that billion dollar bet



You didn't read my post carefully. I said it was worth it with a 1000 cylinder gun, not a 100 cylinder gun.



Yep, you are right I didn't even see you wanted a 1000 cylinder gun.

So basically you won't play Russian roulette as it's traditionally done with six cylinders for any amount of money
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
  • Threads: 121
  • Posts: 10940
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
June 13th, 2020 at 8:25:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: darkoz

Quote: gordonm888

She would agree with my decision and support me. She has sisters living close by and two daughters that would help to take care of her if I was gone.

And my comment was a description of principles and a reminder of how courage has been part of our national story. I wonder why you choose to bring my wife into this particular discussion and make it personal.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question If you were chosen by NASA to go into space for a couple of days, would you do it? Even though it is clear that sometimes things go wrong and everyone on the rocket ship could die?



I'm pretty certain I would be too scared to go but that's me.

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



Russian Roulette... sure.... if there are enough empty chambers. One chamber with a bullet. 999 without. I believe I take the chance for a billion dollars. I wouldn't for 1 with bullet, 99 without. There is a WAY higher chance of me dying within the next year than 1 in 1000.



Clearly you decided it was only worth it with a 100 cylinder gun.

Most Russian roulette examples I have seen are played with a six cylinder revolver. After it's loaded the cylinder is spun.

Playing with multiple people the cylinder is spun after each successful try so the odds don't change.

So 5 empty, 1 loaded? Taking that billion dollar bet



You didn't read my post carefully. I said it was worth it with a 1000 cylinder gun, not a 100 cylinder gun.



Yep, you are right I didn't even see you wanted a 1000 cylinder gun.

So basically you won't play Russian roulette as it's traditionally done with six cylinders for any amount of money



Oh my God yes. I have been thinking about it, probably more than I should! For a billion I need at least 300 cylinders.
gordonm888
Administrator
gordonm888
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 5005
Joined: Feb 18, 2015
June 13th, 2020 at 9:25:16 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

….SNIP

I think there is a big difference between taking some chance on an action that is not designed to be deadly (flying airplanes or riding motorcycles, etc) versus deliberately infecting oneself with a virus known to be deadly.

We live life doing things that can go wrong like flying in an airplane. However if we choose to stay home that doesn't avoid danger either. There are home fires, gas leaks, storms that might hit, slipping on your head and shoulders shampoo in the shower, etc.

Living life isn't danger seeking even though danger is around every corner.

Infecting yourself purposefully to win a bet just sounds like a game of Russian Roulette.

If you knew a friend was playing Russian Roulette would your advice be, well hey you might die crossing the street so go right ahead. It's a sound choice?



The question we are responding to is a nonsensical hypothetical situation. Criticize the billionaire who would pay me a billion dollars to be infected by Covid-19 and risk death - rather than criticize me for saying that I would choose to be infected for a >90% shot at a billion dollars.

But yes, people volunteer for the military knowing that they may step on a hidden explosive device or may be shot in the head by a sniper in Afghanistan.

In the 1940s, American merchant ships (civilians) sailed to Great Britain with supplies - in order to make a profit - despite a roughly 10% chance of the ship being sunk by German U-boats (submarines.)

Reasonable people can and often do disagree on where the line is between courage and foolhardiness. But let's all agree that courage has always been an essential part of the advancement of mankind. And when we see courage, we usually praise it and admire it.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 11:02:13 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

The question we are responding to is a nonsensical hypothetical situation. Criticize the billionaire who would pay me a billion dollars to be infected by Covid-19 and risk death - rather than criticize me for saying that I would choose to be infected for a >90% shot at a billion dollars.

But yes, people volunteer for the military knowing that they may step on a hidden explosive device or may be shot in the head by a sniper in Afghanistan.

In the 1940s, American merchant ships (civilians) sailed to Great Britain with supplies - in order to make a profit - despite a roughly 10% chance of the ship being sunk by German U-boats (submarines.)

Reasonable people can and often do disagree on where the line is between courage and foolhardiness. But let's all agree that courage has always been an essential part of the advancement of mankind. And when we see courage, we usually praise it and admire it.



So you think it is an act of courage to step into a casino knowing there is a decent chance you will bring home a deadly infection to a family member. Who can argue with such logic. Or with someone who equates serving their country with being a selfish prig who insists on his right to infect others.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
mcallister3200
mcallister3200
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 3577
Joined: Dec 29, 2013
Thanked by
SOOPOOgordonm888
June 13th, 2020 at 11:37:41 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

So you think it is an act of courage to step into a casino knowing there is a decent chance you will bring home a deadly infection to a family member. Who can argue with such logic. Or with someone who equates serving their country with being a selfish prig who insists on his right to infect others.



You just invented an answer to a question that was never asked.
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 11596
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
June 13th, 2020 at 12:37:46 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO


Oh my God yes. I have been thinking about it, probably more than I should! For a billion I need at least 300 cylinders.



I would defnitely do it with a six cylinder gun.

An 84% chance for a billion dollars and only 16% chance of dead. I like those odds.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
heatmap
heatmap
  • Threads: 259
  • Posts: 2229
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
June 13th, 2020 at 2:13:58 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would defnitely do it with a six cylinder gun.

An 84% chance for a billion dollars and only 16% chance of dead. I like those odds.



im assuming that since the bullet adds weight to the barrel that it would normally land below most of the time since its not balanced, unless there is some kind of mechanism within the barrel to balance it at all times. im ignorant to guns
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 2:19:52 PM permalink
Stalin perfected Russian Roulette when he introduced semi-automatic pistols.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 2:25:26 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

im assuming that since the bullet adds weight to the barrel that it would normally land below most of the time since its not balanced, unless there is some kind of mechanism within the barrel to balance it at all times. im ignorant to guns



I vaguely remember a trial in the eighties where teenagers played without spinning each time so the odds got worse as you went. Five kids each going so the last kid had a 2:1 shot at survival.

They had played some preliminary game which decided the order of who had 5:1 odds, then 4:1 etc.

But the kid who was on trial tried to be smart and faked the initial spin purposefully placed the bullet in the last chamber so as it rotated it wouldn't get inside the firing chamber. He was trying to make sure no one died.

Problem:. He didn't fully understand how the mechanism worked. The cylinder INSIDE the gun has already shot so it rotates out. He put the bullet in the empty chamber just to it's right. That left the last kid with the live bullet.

He was charged with murder as s result. Probably manslaughter if I remember correctly.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
gordonm888
Administrator
gordonm888
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 5005
Joined: Feb 18, 2015
Thanked by
DeMango
June 13th, 2020 at 4:23:50 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

The question we are responding to is a nonsensical hypothetical situation. Criticize the billionaire who would pay me a billion dollars to be infected by Covid-19 and risk death - rather than criticize me for saying that I would choose to be infected for a >90% shot at a billion dollars.

But yes, people volunteer for the military knowing that they may step on a hidden explosive device or may be shot in the head by a sniper in Afghanistan.

In the 1940s, American merchant ships (civilians) sailed to Great Britain with supplies - in order to make a profit - despite a roughly 10% chance of the ship being sunk by German U-boats (submarines.)

Reasonable people can and often do disagree on where the line is between courage and foolhardiness. But let's all agree that courage has always been an essential part of the advancement of mankind. And when we see courage, we usually praise it and admire it.



Quote: billryan

So you think it is an act of courage to step into a casino knowing there is a decent chance you will bring home a deadly infection to a family member. Who can argue with such logic. Or with someone who equates serving their country with being a selfish prig who insists on his right to infect others.



Dammit, I never said anything about stepping into a casino - I answered a question about whether I would allow myself to be infected with covid-19 for a possible $1 billion reward -which is the topic of this thread. I talked about the reality that people will risk their health or lives for certain things - the prospect of a better life, or to help a loved one or friend or for a great life experience.

To my fairly-stated post on the topic of this thread, you go off-topic and respond with your post accusing me of saying something I have never even come close to saying (or even thinking) and you insult me by calling me a selfish prig. Have you no shame?

I will send a PM to the Wizard and request a moderator review of billryan's post. I claim it is (a) off-topic, (b) a deliberate and malicious attempt to misrepresent my post by summarizing it with statements that I have never said and have nothing to do with what I posted here or have ever posted and (c) insulting.

If we are allowed to summarize someone else's post by saying "So you think it is appropriate to have sex with barnyard animals . . . . " then this forum is just going to fall apart.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
michael99000
michael99000
  • Threads: 9
  • Posts: 2113
Joined: Jul 10, 2010
June 13th, 2020 at 4:41:08 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Dammit, I never said anything about stepping into a casino - I answered a question about whether I would allow myself to be infected with covid-19 for a possible $1 billion reward -which is the topic of this thread. I talked about the reality that people will risk their health or lives for certain things - the prospect of a better life, or to help a loved one or friend or for a great life experience.

To my fairly-stated post on the topic of this thread, you go off-topic and respond with your post accusing me of saying something I have never even come close to saying (or even thinking) and you insult me by calling me a selfish prig. Have you no shame?

I will send a PM to the Wizard and request a moderator review of billryan's post. I claim it is (a) off-topic, (b) a deliberate and malicious attempt to misrepresent my post by summarizing it with statements that I have never said and have nothing to do with what I posted here or have ever posted and (c) insulting.

If we are allowed to summarize someone else's post by saying "So you think it is appropriate to have sex with barnyard animals . . . . " then this forum is just going to fall apart.



This ones iffy. Sometimes a forum member can say something that angers another member without actually breaking any rule.
The off-topic accusation is a reach at best.

I’d set the odds as follows:


Will billy be suspended?
Yes -110
No -110
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 5:09:12 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

So you think it is an act of courage to step into a casino knowing there is a decent chance you will bring home a deadly infection to a family member. Who can argue with such logic. Or with someone who equates serving their country with being a selfish prig who insists on his right to infect others.



Personal insult, trolling -- Three-day suspension.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
June 13th, 2020 at 5:09:54 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I vaguely remember a trial in the eighties where teenagers played without spinning each time so the odds got worse as you went. Five kids each going so the last kid had a 2:1 shot at survival.

They had played some preliminary game which decided the order of who had 5:1 odds, then 4:1 etc.

But the kid who was on trial tried to be smart and faked the initial spin purposefully placed the bullet in the last chamber so as it rotated it wouldn't get inside the firing chamber. He was trying to make sure no one died.

Problem:. He didn't fully understand how the mechanism worked. The cylinder INSIDE the gun has already shot so it rotates out. He put the bullet in the empty chamber just to it's right. That left the last kid with the live bullet.

He was charged with murder as s result. Probably manslaughter if I remember correctly.

That reminds me of this story. Pedro Ruiz held a book to his chest and persuaded his girlfriend to fire a gun at him from a foot away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOPCxWOaK3E
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
racquet
racquet
  • Threads: 50
  • Posts: 411
Joined: Dec 31, 2014
Thanked by
gordonm888
June 13th, 2020 at 5:16:53 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

"So you think it is appropriate to have sex with barnyard animals . . . . "



I think the age and consent of the barnyard animal would have to be taken into account. Also location. In Arkansas, for example, I believe the age of consent is much younger.

Generally, however, my answer would be no.
heatmap
heatmap
  • Threads: 259
  • Posts: 2229
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
June 13th, 2020 at 9:11:49 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I vaguely remember a trial in the eighties where teenagers played without spinning each time so the odds got worse as you went. Five kids each going so the last kid had a 2:1 shot at survival.

They had played some preliminary game which decided the order of who had 5:1 odds, then 4:1 etc.

But the kid who was on trial tried to be smart and faked the initial spin purposefully placed the bullet in the last chamber so as it rotated it wouldn't get inside the firing chamber. He was trying to make sure no one died.

Problem:. He didn't fully understand how the mechanism worked. The cylinder INSIDE the gun has already shot so it rotates out. He put the bullet in the empty chamber just to it's right. That left the last kid with the live bullet.

He was charged with murder as s result. Probably manslaughter if I remember correctly.



Come to think of it there is clicking noises at least from what I remember and they make sure the chamber is lined up with the bullet or whatever and when the barrel is spinning it slow the barrel down so yeah
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
June 13th, 2020 at 10:07:57 PM permalink
Math puzzle time!

You have a six-chamber revolver and wish to play Russian roulette with one other person. It is desired that each have a 50% chance of winning. Per the etiquette of Russian roulette, the chamber must be spun between turns. With no randomizing allowed (other than the chamber of the revolver), what rules will ensure the desired 50/50 outcome?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
Joined: May 20, 2011
June 14th, 2020 at 6:05:24 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

That reminds me of this story. Pedro Ruiz held a book to his chest and persuaded his girlfriend to fire a gun at him from a foot away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOPCxWOaK3E



My question is, What do you think about this video Ax?
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22272
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
June 14th, 2020 at 7:31:02 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

My question is, What do you think about this video Ax?

I honestly don't know a whole lot about it. The Next thing I know, someone will be telling me it's fake.


Assuming that's not the case: I think it's tragic that a young man lost his life, I really feel sorry for his family having to deal with such a senseless awful tragedy.

I'm almost wondering if there's more to this than meets the eye, perhaps some kind of pact between them two. A part of me was wondered if the kid actually wanted to die and she was more than happy to oblige.

They showed video clips and pictures of them prior and he seemed like a pretty happy go lucky guy, at least on the outside. So that just brings me back to believing it's pure stupidity.

I understand that people are in fact that stupid, but it's mind-boggling to think both of them could have been that stupid.

Apparently she was on record claiming she I was scared and didn't want to do it. I think that might be an act, either way, I really don't think he had to try all that hard in order to convince her to pull the trigger. Under the circumstances, I would have to guess she is probably a psycho famewhore.

I guess she was pregnant, I assume at some point she'll be in possession of her child and that's a real scary thought.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 14th, 2020 at 8:50:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I honestly don't know a whole lot about it. The Next thing I know, someone will be telling me it's fake.


Assuming that's not the case: I think it's tragic that a young man lost his life, I really feel sorry for his family having to deal with such a senseless awful tragedy.

I'm almost wondering if there's more to this than meets the eye, perhaps some kind of pact between them two. A part of me was wondered if the kid actually wanted to die and she was more than happy to oblige.

They showed video clips and pictures of them prior and he seemed like a pretty happy go lucky guy, at least on the outside. So that just brings me back to believing it's pure stupidity.

I understand that people are in fact that stupid, but it's mind-boggling to think both of them could have been that stupid.

Apparently she was on record claiming she I was scared and didn't want to do it. I think that might be an act, either way, I really don't think he had to try all that hard in order to convince her to pull the trigger. Under the circumstances, I would have to guess she is probably a psycho famewhore.

I guess she was pregnant, I assume at some point she'll be in possession of her child and that's a real scary thought.



Don't think she was pregnant.

BTW, googled it and yes it appears real as it's pretty well covered.

It's also old and settled. Happened in 2017.

She pled guilty. They went pretty lenient on her.

Here is how it turned out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-43410816
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
Quadriga
Quadriga
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 30
Joined: Feb 6, 2019
June 14th, 2020 at 1:19:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Math puzzle time!

You have a six-chamber revolver and wish to play Russian roulette with one other person. It is desired that each have a 50% chance of winning. Per the etiquette of Russian roulette, the chamber must be spun between turns. With no randomizing allowed (other than the chamber of the revolver), what rules will ensure the desired 50/50 outcome?



I'm assuming the cylinder of revolver must be spun before each person play?

The probability of one surviving each trigger is 5/6 or 83.3 %, spinning the cylinder each time. However, if you don't spin the cylinder and continue the second trigger allows a 4/5 or 80% of staying alive. The third time without spinning is 3/4 or 75%.

Each player would have to take turn pulling the trigger 3 times, without spinning in between, to have a 50% of winning or surviving against a second player. If the first player survives, the cylinder is spun for the second player.

1-(5/6x4/5x3/4) = 1/2= 50%
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 14th, 2020 at 1:22:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Math puzzle time!

You have a six-chamber revolver and wish to play Russian roulette with one other person. It is desired that each have a 50% chance of winning. Per the etiquette of Russian roulette, the chamber must be spun between turns. With no randomizing allowed (other than the chamber of the revolver), what rules will ensure the desired 50/50 outcome?



Forgive me for the simplistic answer but wouldn't putting 3 bullets in the six Chambers create the desired 50% chance of winning
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
Quadriga
Quadriga
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 30
Joined: Feb 6, 2019
June 14th, 2020 at 1:35:05 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: Wizard

Math puzzle time!

You have a six-chamber revolver and wish to play Russian roulette with one other person. It is desired that each have a 50% chance of winning. Per the etiquette of Russian roulette, the chamber must be spun between turns. With no randomizing allowed (other than the chamber of the revolver), what rules will ensure the desired 50/50 outcome?



Forgive me for the simplistic answer but wouldn't putting 3 bullets in the six Chambers create the desired 50% chance of winning



If you use 3 bullets for the 6 chambers it wouldn't be Russian roulette in a traditional sense. It's like playing craps with one dice.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1491
  • Posts: 26435
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
June 14th, 2020 at 6:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Forgive me for the simplistic answer but wouldn't putting 3 bullets in the six Chambers create the desired 50% chance of winning



I forgot to say that there is one bullet only.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
Gabes22
Gabes22
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 1427
Joined: Jul 19, 2011
June 14th, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM permalink
I would take the money. I had COVID and I was over it in 3 to 4 days.
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 14th, 2020 at 6:48:56 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

I would take the money. I had COVID and I was over it in 3 to 4 days.



Isn't that kinda like betting on the game after it's over
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
Gabes22
Gabes22
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 1427
Joined: Jul 19, 2011
June 15th, 2020 at 5:10:22 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Isn't that kinda like betting on the game after it's over



Given the parameters, I think this assumes I never had, but given the knowledge I have given the fact I did have it, I don't think there is much to worry about for a slightly overweight but relatively healthy 41 year old. Even if I didn't get it in real life, leading up to it my assumption was that I a) eventually would get it and b) I would get over it. I got it on a Saturday and was symptom free by Wednesday. I felt almost 100% on Monday, so well in fact, I was denied at 2 places for a test, but had a brief relapse on Tuesday due to stopping taking Tylenol Monday evening. I did not get my test results until after I was 100%. Under most circumstances, in a non- COVID world I would have gone to work that Monday
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
Gabes22
Gabes22
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 1427
Joined: Jul 19, 2011
June 15th, 2020 at 5:12:27 AM permalink
Duplicate
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
Joeman
Joeman
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 2410
Joined: Feb 21, 2014
June 15th, 2020 at 5:30:03 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Given the parameters, I think this assumes I never had, but given the knowledge I have given the fact I did have it, I don't think there is much to worry about for a slightly overweight but relatively healthy 41 year old. Even if I didn't get it in real life, leading up to it my assumption was that I a) eventually would get it and b) I would get over it. I got it on a Saturday and was symptom free by Wednesday. I felt almost 100% on Monday, so well in fact, I was denied at 2 places for a test, but had a brief relapse on Tuesday due to stopping taking Tylenol Monday evening. I did not get my test results until after I was 100%. Under most circumstances, in a non- COVID world I would have gone to work that Monday

**Emphasis mine**

Gabes22 brings up a good point. Is there any reason to believe that the vast majority of us will not be exposed to the virus before a vaccine is found? If I'm going to be exposed anyway, why not pocket the $2 Bil?
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 296
  • Posts: 11419
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
June 15th, 2020 at 6:55:23 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Quote: Gabes22

Given the parameters, I think this assumes I never had, but given the knowledge I have given the fact I did have it, I don't think there is much to worry about for a slightly overweight but relatively healthy 41 year old. Even if I didn't get it in real life, leading up to it my assumption was that I a) eventually would get it and b) I would get over it. I got it on a Saturday and was symptom free by Wednesday. I felt almost 100% on Monday, so well in fact, I was denied at 2 places for a test, but had a brief relapse on Tuesday due to stopping taking Tylenol Monday evening. I did not get my test results until after I was 100%. Under most circumstances, in a non- COVID world I would have gone to work that Monday

**Emphasis mine**

Gabes22 brings up a good point. Is there any reason to believe that the vast majority of us will not be exposed to the virus before a vaccine is found? If I'm going to be exposed anyway, why not pocket the $2 Bil?



Good question

First it's 1 billion lol but it's not a real scenario anyway.

If this follows the Spanish Flu trajectory not everyone gets it. Perhaps seventy to eighty percent of the world population.

But here is the kicker. The Spanish Flu mutated. Most viruses mutate. Especially with weather changes and population spread.

The Spanish Flu was three waves. Exact numbers are vague due to record taking but were somewhere in the neighborhood of (worldwide)

First wave: one million dead

SECOND WAVE: FORTY EIGHT MILLION DEAD

third wave 100,000 dead

As you can see the second wave was super deadlier. And that's a normal progression although not guaranteed from what I have read.

So take those into account. You know how gambling works. Every system you try works as you watch. Then put your wager down and suddenly everything is topsy turvy
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
rxwine
rxwine
  • Threads: 209
  • Posts: 12166
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
June 15th, 2020 at 2:55:54 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

.

The Spanish Flu was three waves. Exact numbers are vague due to record taking but were somewhere in the neighborhood of (worldwide)

First wave: one million dead

SECOND WAVE: FORTY EIGHT MILLION DEAD

third wave 100,000 dead

As you can see the second wave was super deadlier. And that's a normal progression although not guaranteed from what I have read.

So take those into account. You know how gambling works. Every system you try works as you watch. Then put your wager down and suddenly everything is topsy turvy



But it was just "a flu".
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
  • Jump to: