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April 14th, 2016 at 6:04:20 PM permalink
I don't think I have anything further to say on this topic. My original position remains the same.
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April 14th, 2016 at 6:09:03 PM permalink
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You can also smoke yourself into an early cancer from age 18 but not get drunk till you're 21. Hmm.


For the record, the legal smoking age is now 21 in Hawaii.
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April 14th, 2016 at 7:14:55 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't think I have anything further to say on this topic. My original position remains the same.



They should treat it the same as if you are self excluded/ the person gets a citation, the casino gets fined and the money goes towards gambling addiction programs
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April 14th, 2016 at 7:28:10 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Again, give a minor a 100% loss rebate and they will abuse the hell out of it. The justification for voiding only winning bets is to keep them from playing in the first place. If a minor doesn't like it -- don't play.

I personally don't disagree with lowering the gambling age to 18. That is the age at some of the Indian casinos in California.


Again, the solution is very simple:

the casino can have discretion as to WHEN to use the refund policy.
But the important point is, the casino can only decide if they want to use the policy or not, but not on which bets the policy will be used on.

That way , when there minor is down and wants to take advantage of the policy - no luck, and no abuse

When the minor wins and the casino decides that they would void all bets, then ALL, not just the winning bets should be voided.
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April 14th, 2016 at 11:16:03 PM permalink
I'm rarely on the casino side and absolutely hate letting them free roll anyone, however If you're not 21 don't play.

Getting free rolled is the price an underage person should pay.

Of course the casino should be fined 20x the jackpot or cash out amount. If they are caught paying a minor it should be 100x the amount.

Google topics relating to this subject there lots of interesting stories where it seems as if they turned a blind eye and people as young as 16 have been caught.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 15th, 2016 at 1:13:31 AM permalink
http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Bally-s-fined-for-underage-gambling-68583

http://www.reviewjournal.com/jane-ann-morrison/underage-gamblers-could-lose-their-shirts-and-face-misdemeanor-charges

http://vegasinc.com/business/gaming/2012/jul/18/caesars-entertainment-agrees-pay-100000-fine-over-/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2147903/Bobbi-Kristina-Brown-caught-gambling-underage-Las-Vegas-day-emotional-Billboard-Awards-appearance.html

http://www.kcci.com/news/man-denied-100000-lottery-win-because-hes-underage/37096840
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 15th, 2016 at 1:15:53 AM permalink
That last one is pure stupidity, all he had to do was have a friend or parent cash it, sometimes I'm just amazed
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April 15th, 2016 at 2:19:37 AM permalink
IMO -- if you're underage and caught gambling, you should be able to cash out your chips/ticket, get arrested/86'd/whatever. Any jackpot should be forfeited. Casino should get fined if it's reasonable that they should have stopped the person from gambling (i.e.: no way they can stop some kid walking by a slot machine, popping in a bill, hitting spin.....if someone is gambling for a long time or at any table game, then the casino should be fined).

As far as what happens to the jackpot....I don't really care. Like said above, maybe donate it to some gambling addiction help thing. Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.
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April 15th, 2016 at 3:52:17 AM permalink
Quote: RS

IMO -- if you're underage and caught gambling, you should be able to cash out your chips/ticket, get arrested/86'd/whatever. Any jackpot should be forfeited. Casino should get fined if it's reasonable that they should have stopped the person from gambling (i.e.: no way they can stop some kid walking by a slot machine, popping in a bill, hitting spin.....if someone is gambling for a long time or at any table game, then the casino should be fined).

As far as what happens to the jackpot....I don't really care. Like said above, maybe donate it to some gambling addiction help thing. Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.

Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.

^^is my vote, but only because that may benefit me. However...the casino may actually benefit by making a machine look more attractive.

The fine and JP should also be added to a 9/6 .25 progressive where only advantage players are allowed to play it untouched and full RFB ☺

there's nothing worse for a casino than having to give free money to AP's.

Chips/ tito's should be held until the age of 21.
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April 15th, 2016 at 5:47:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

That last one is pure stupidity, all he had to do was have a friend or parent cash it, sometimes I'm just amazed

Or possibly just wait. According to the Iowa Lottery website, the Mega Crossword game is still going on and is not listed in the "Games Ending Soon" section. I wonder when his 21st birthday is.

On a related note, when the FL lottery came out, my parents would occasionally buy a scratcher as a gift for my sister and me. On one occasion, when I was 14 or 15, I received one that turned out to be a $5 winner. So, I stopped at the local convenience store on the way home from school to cash it.

At first, the clerk refused, saying I was too young, but I argued that you had to be 18 to buy a ticket, but there was no age restriction to cash a ticket. He couldn't argue with that logic, so he gave me the $5!
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April 15th, 2016 at 7:15:13 AM permalink
I think the casino should forfeit the jackpot and have to pay it to a program like Gamblers Anonymous. That way neither the child nor the casino benefit from the circumstance.
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April 15th, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I think the casino should forfeit the jackpot and have to pay it to a program like Gamblers Anonymous. That way neither the child nor the casino benefit from the circumstance.

Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner.
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April 15th, 2016 at 10:08:10 AM permalink
A winner?I think someone said essentially the same thing on page 4 :)
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April 15th, 2016 at 10:35:55 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner.

You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?

Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.

Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.
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April 15th, 2016 at 11:09:03 AM permalink
I don't think gambling losses should be refunded to minors and I share the opinions of Wizard.

But I remember in 1964 going to Death Valley with the Boy Scouts. We took a side trip to Vegas. Many of us would sneak a nickel into a slot machine near the sidewalk downtown. Good natured fun. Nowadays the organization would probably be sued by one of the parents for immoral wayward guidance.
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April 15th, 2016 at 11:26:12 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I think the casino should forfeit the jackpot and have to pay it to a program like Gamblers Anonymous. That way neither the child nor the casino benefit from the circumstance.



I have no problem with this. Not necessarily Gamblers Anonymous, in the interests of keeping a separation between church and state. The general fund of the state would be what I would suggest.
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April 15th, 2016 at 11:56:39 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?

Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.

Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.



I don't get you. You make an interesting, pertinent observation and analogy, adding to the conversation, then you take a snide and childish cheap shot at your audience and host in the next paragraph. Not the first time, either.

Without the parenthetical, you could have slid this by, but that's a clear insult. 7 days 2nd offense.
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April 15th, 2016 at 11:59:38 AM permalink
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California casinos with an 18 gambling age still enforce a 21 drinking age.



Soaring Eagle in MI is 18 and it's in
a college town. In the winter there
are so many hot young girls that
if you're a guy of any age, you're
dead if you don't notice them.
There is something about that age
group, 18-21, in women, that's
different than any other age group.
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April 15th, 2016 at 4:58:59 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Soaring Eagle in MI is 18 and it's in
a college town. In the winter there
are so many hot young girls that
if you're a guy of any age, you're
dead if you don't notice them.
There is something about that age
group, 18-21, in women, that's
different than any other age group.

That something, in the age 18-21 hot girls, is a larger risk of ruin than the next older bracket, but a smaller risk of ruin than the next younger bracket. At least in my experience, however limited, or not.
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April 15th, 2016 at 9:36:30 PM permalink
If having people under the age of 21 play casino games hurts the community, the casino must be held accountable. If it doesn't hurt anyone for them to gamble, then we shouldn't prohibit them in any way.

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Not only should any winnings from an underage player be turned over to the state, but any losses too. If a teenager buys in at the table for $10, and a few hours later still has $10 having won 100 bets and lost 100, then the casino needs to pay back all $1,000 he lost. If he somehow plays all weekend and wins 1000 and loses 1000, the casino has to pay back $10,000. If that seems harsh, they need to start asking for ID. It's extremely easy at tables; at machines, it should be easy for any slot tech to see if someone doesn't have a players card.

It should be treated just like any other age restricted product, where both the seller and buyer take on responsibility if laws are being broken. As it is now, the casino takes on far too little liability.
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April 16th, 2016 at 3:18:09 AM permalink
It should be up to the establishment of whether or not they want to allow minors to play there. The minor should be responsible for their losses and should get to keep their winnings if they manage to sneak in and gamble. Like here's your money now gtfo.
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April 16th, 2016 at 3:52:54 AM permalink
In my opinion the fair thing is to let the wagering results stand, paying the win to the parent or legal guardian, while keeping the deceitful miscreant whippersnapper in a state of indentured servitude as property of the casino for a period of years. Their little juvenile hands and flexible bodies would be perfect for small tasks such as shoving them into air-conditioning ducts with a scrub brush and a chain around the neck to pull them through, and suchlike. It would be good for them to become useful like that.

Failing that, due to some kind of silly newfangled rule against such things, cough up the ill-gotten gain to Gaming Enforcement.
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April 16th, 2016 at 5:18:42 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?

Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.

Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.



Kerkebet?
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April 16th, 2016 at 9:32:45 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

In my opinion the fair thing is to let the wagering results stand, paying the win to the parent or legal guardian, while keeping the deceitful miscreant whippersnapper in a state of indentured servitude as property of the casino for a period of years. Their little juvenile hands and flexible bodies would be perfect for small tasks such as shoving them into air-conditioning ducts with a scrub brush and a chain around the neck to pull them through, and suchlike. It would be good for them to become useful like that.

Failing that, due to some kind of silly newfangled rule against such things, cough up the ill-gotten gain to Gaming Enforcement.

I like the way you think. :)
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