Nareed
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April 12th, 2010 at 8:51:05 AM permalink
I think there are comps players and non-comps players.

Me, I go to vegas once a year and I gamble perhaps $400 all told (last time closer to $300), mostly at VP, with some very minor table action. I don't expect to be comped a pack of chewing gum.

And yet I sign up for every player card I can, and won't play where I can't or won't sign up. This has worked out very well. Through Harrahs' program I get ocassional offers and good rates at their hotels. At the Stratosphere last year I ahd a great time, partly due to the discount on an all-day, all-ride pass included when signing up to their program.

This year I exepct I'll gamnle more, and perhaps I'll risk a big chunk of bankroll on a single, long craps sessions (I hope it will be long). But I still don't expect any comps.
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RaleighCraps
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April 12th, 2010 at 8:57:27 AM permalink
Quote: mantic59

Wait, what? Someone keys into the tracking system that a player is "nice" or "tips well" or some other non-action-related info? Don't take this comment as snarky but...why should they care (in terms of being rated)?

(For the record, I always try to be pleasant and engaging to the dealer, tipping with "dealer plays" action during a session with a final toke as I get up from the table. BTW, T minus 30 days to Vegas!)



Does tipping get 'entered into the system'? I seriously doubt it. What I am saying though, if I am varying my bets, or playing craps where there can be vast differences in the amount that is bet by me each roll, the box or floor needs to enter in my bet amount. Generally speaking, they do this every 15 minutes or so. They can just put down what they see on the table right this minute, or they can say well, you have played the previous few hands/rolls at a higher bet than what is there now, and thus put down a slightly higher figure for you. I feel they are more apt to calculate on the high side when they recall you have been tipping the dealers, either directly or with dealer bets.

edit: See boymimbo's post above though. He indicates that newer rating systems may in fact collect more information on the players than simply time and avg bet.
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April 12th, 2010 at 9:12:29 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

But I still don't expect any comps.

Well, you don't have to expect comps and you can turn them down if you really want to. I often decline the free drinks that the waitress offers, but I do that to concentrate on the gambling. If I'm winding my gambling down I'm liable to start cranking up the drinking rate a bit. Its the same thing when checking out of the hotel, if they are willing to lop off my meal charges, great!
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April 12th, 2010 at 9:56:45 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Well, you don't have to expect comps and you can turn them down if you really want to. I often decline the free drinks that the waitress offers, but I do that to concentrate on the gambling. If I'm winding my gambling down I'm liable to start cranking up the drinking rate a bit. Its the same thing when checking out of the hotel, if they are willing to lop off my meal charges, great!



Alcohol makes me sleepy at first (it passes), then it impairs my judgement. therefore I don't drink while I gamble. But I've ordered diet coke and the waitresses bring it along. Of course I tip them.

Anyway, no, I wouldn't refuse comps if they were offered. But I don't play for comps, and I don't expect at my level of play that I should either.

The way I see it is like this: if you like playing with large wagers for several hours, and can afford it, then you should get comps. Otherwise it's not a goal and it shouldn't be. You might wind up losing hundreds, or worse, to score a free night. Better pay for the night.
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April 12th, 2010 at 10:32:08 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I think there are comps players and non-comps players.

... And yet I sign up for every player card I can, and won't play where I can't or won't sign up. This has worked out very well. Through Harrahs' program I get ocassional offers and good rates at their hotels.



I am a low-roller BJ player ($10 a hand). In the 1990's I got spoiled by the easy comps that the Horseshoe used to give out. They'd get all my play on a 2 or 3 day trip, and I never paid for a meal. The one time I stayed in their hotel, they comped a night. Good times.

But my experience lately confirms what Max Rubin said in a 2007 podcast about BJ comps: "a $10 player is invisible nowadays". Free drinks is all you'll get.

Most casinos pretend to tie their slot club and table games together. But many hours of BJ play has never earned me more than a token number of player's points, and I've never gotten any offers in the mail. Every player sits down at a $5 table with their $100 bill and their players card. And the boss logs the card. But if typical red-chip play isn't going to earn any comps, why do they bother? It seems like a total waste of time.
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April 12th, 2010 at 11:40:45 PM permalink
hi, I'm a craps dealer....the tips themselves are not counted towards your comps, but the fact you are tipping may influence what the floor rates you at. This is especially true if the floor is a dual rate.
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April 13th, 2010 at 1:48:01 PM permalink
Quote: appistappis

hi, I'm a craps dealer....the tips themselves are not counted towards your comps, but the fact you are tipping may influence what the floor rates you at. This is especially true if the floor is a dual rate.



Can you explain what is meant by "if the floor is a dual rate" ?
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April 13th, 2010 at 2:11:37 PM permalink
most casino's use dual rate positions......an example is a dual rate supervisor....some days they supervise, some days they deal...they are payed for the day at the job they do that day, so even though they are supervising today, they have a vested interest in having the toke rate as high as possible. You toke, they like you and might rate you a little higher.
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April 13th, 2010 at 2:25:50 PM permalink
Quote: appistappis

most casino's use dual rate positions......an example is a dual rate supervisor....some days they supervise, some days they deal...they are payed for the day at the job they do that day, so even though they are supervising today, they have a vested interest in having the toke rate as high as possible. You toke, they like you and might rate you a little higher.



I see, so at some casinos the pit man never deals and has no personal reward in tips?
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April 13th, 2010 at 2:32:48 PM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

I see, so at some casinos the pit man never deals and has no personal reward in tips?



Depends. Here our everyone down from management are cut in on our tips. Our Pit Bosses never deal and are cut in. We also have gaming Supervisors who sometimes deal, sometimes run the pit.

Originally the management were not included in tips. It changed without us being asked as everything is handled by a comittee.

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