Getting banned for (not) stealing
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April 22nd, 2019 at 4:03:03 AM
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So, a "FRIEND" of mine was at San Manuel. She went to the machine to cash out a $542 ticket. As she was going in her purse to get the ticket out, a Mexican female stepped in front of her to use the machine. She let her know, "hey I was here first". The lady went to step aside, but before doing so she grabbed some money that was sticking out of the machine. She then turned said something in Spanish and handed my friend the money. My friend put it in her purse and proceeded to cash out her ticket. She then went back to play her machines. About 20 mins later 4 officers came up to her and accused her of stealing. And she was band from the casino for a year for "petty theft". What's your opinion on this?
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 4:35:39 AM
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that this is your first post ant twive you used 'band' instead of 'banned'.
April 22nd, 2019 at 4:38:17 AM
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Wow really? And that's all you chose to comment on!! Hope my spell check spells everything correctly this time. Thanks.
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 4:46:21 AM
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Quote: AwesomesauceWow really? And that's all you chose to comment on!! Hope my spell check spells everything correctly this time. Thanks.
Sounds like you weren't told the true story. Why would your "friend" put money in her purse that some strange person gave her and then left? Why didn't she tell police exactly what happened so they could review the video on it?
Sounds to me like she took a ticket from a machine and cashed it or cashed out credits on a machine that wasn't hers or something similar and has to make up a story to save face.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 4:51:40 AM
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They did review the tape. We found out later that a guy left the money in the cash/ticket machine. But she didnt take the money from the machine the other lady did. So why is she banned and not the other lady. I would have taken the money if someone handed it to me. People do crazy stuff all the time at casinos. Especially if they are drunk and winning.
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 5:01:06 AM
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1) spell check won't help you choose the right word
2) the lady who cut in front of your friend thought the money belonged to your friend, so she handed it to her
3) your friend was right there, and saw that it came from the machine
4) your friend kept the money, and it was not hers
2) the lady who cut in front of your friend thought the money belonged to your friend, so she handed it to her
3) your friend was right there, and saw that it came from the machine
4) your friend kept the money, and it was not hers
April 22nd, 2019 at 5:36:47 AM
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Well I am the friend and I didnt know that it wasnt hers. Just like I didnt know that it was this other guys claiming it was his. What I want to know how am I charged with stealing when I didnt take it out of the machine. It was something like $57. I was cashing a $542 ticket. I didnt need to steal it. And for all I know she could have been coming back for it or in the middle of her transaction and stepped back to the machine. I dont know. She didnt speak English and I'm from here and dont speak Spanish. Even the security guard told me he would have done the same thing. But he had to do it because his supervisor was standing right there, and that's procedure. Did I spell everything correctly this time? Thanks.
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 6:08:01 AM
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I take the casino's side on this one. The money was not yours to take. Contrary to the title of the post, I would say you did steal it. If a stranger just hands you money out of the blue, something is amiss. Given the language barrier, the correct thing to do in that situation would be to go immediately to a security guard, explain the situation, and give him/her the money.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 6:14:54 AM
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I concur with the Wizard
If it was 57 cents I would argue that it was justified based on the fact plenty of gamblers leave behind loose change left over from a gambling binge they are disgusted with.
But $57?
I cannot remember the last time someone (anywhere much less a casino) handed me $57 (because its never happened)
The person in front saw the money, saw you were coming to the machine and believed it was you returning for it. The language barrier enhanced the mistake but you or you friend should have been highly skeptical. Should have been trying with sign language to understand what the money was meant for.
If it was 57 cents I would argue that it was justified based on the fact plenty of gamblers leave behind loose change left over from a gambling binge they are disgusted with.
But $57?
I cannot remember the last time someone (anywhere much less a casino) handed me $57 (because its never happened)
The person in front saw the money, saw you were coming to the machine and believed it was you returning for it. The language barrier enhanced the mistake but you or you friend should have been highly skeptical. Should have been trying with sign language to understand what the money was meant for.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 6:24:04 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffthat this is your first post ant twive you used 'band' instead of 'banned'.
It's also petit (little) theft.
Edit: and "twive" made me LOL in context.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 6:33:00 AM
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The point at which you went wrong was when you saw that the money was sticking out of the machine and the woman who stepped in front of you obviously (to you) hadn't put in a ticket to redeem it.
Not her money to give you.
Not your money to keep.
You knew both of those things, and made an excuse to yourself that you had some right to that money, when you didn't.
You really have to look at it from the casino's POV.
There are thieves working casinos who reach over people's shoulders and punch the cash out button and grab tickets.
Thieves who grab coin buckets.
Thieves who grab tickets as they're printing out.
Thieves who have sticky stuff on the bottom of a glass and set it down on someone's chip.
Thieves who reach into someone's money on the rail at a crowded craps table and steal chips.
Thieves who grab another person's payoff on all table games.
Thieves who reach into open purses and grab wallets.
Thieves who pickpocket just bumping another customer and reaching.
Thieves who reach over someone and push their spin button, then try and claim the winnings.
This is a CONSTANT problem in all casinos. They have to create an environment for their non-thieving customers to want to come back to. So they have to enforce a zero-tolerance theft policy, or they'd be out of business very soon.
You picked a really bad place to forget basic courtesy and honesty. They have cameras EVERYWHERE, and they're willing to use them.
Not her money to give you.
Not your money to keep.
You knew both of those things, and made an excuse to yourself that you had some right to that money, when you didn't.
You really have to look at it from the casino's POV.
There are thieves working casinos who reach over people's shoulders and punch the cash out button and grab tickets.
Thieves who grab coin buckets.
Thieves who grab tickets as they're printing out.
Thieves who have sticky stuff on the bottom of a glass and set it down on someone's chip.
Thieves who reach into someone's money on the rail at a crowded craps table and steal chips.
Thieves who grab another person's payoff on all table games.
Thieves who reach into open purses and grab wallets.
Thieves who pickpocket just bumping another customer and reaching.
Thieves who reach over someone and push their spin button, then try and claim the winnings.
This is a CONSTANT problem in all casinos. They have to create an environment for their non-thieving customers to want to come back to. So they have to enforce a zero-tolerance theft policy, or they'd be out of business very soon.
You picked a really bad place to forget basic courtesy and honesty. They have cameras EVERYWHERE, and they're willing to use them.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 7:07:21 AM
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I can agree with you to a point. But I have had people had me money at the casino. Sometimes as I'm sitting there and even as I'm coming in people have handed me tickets. And I myself have done the same thing. But you are correct I should have turned it in. But by law, it wasnt me that stole it. And at the time I was more worried about cashing my ticket in so I could get back to my machine. But thank you for your feed back.
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 7:42:27 AM
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Any chance your friend put the money in a hobo bag?
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:04:21 AM
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No I put it in my purse along with the $500 I won and the $800 I already had in there. Maybe you should come out of your trick bag! Lol!!
Awesomesauce
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:04:51 AM
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So what you're saying by machine, is a ticket cashing machine. You're saying the Mexican woman noticed the money left in the machine and gave it to your friend, maybe she thought your friend left it there is what you're saying. Lets say your friend didn't know the reason the Mexican woman handed her the money, didn't know the money was left in the dispenser. If someone gives you something that is stolen, you're in possession of stolen money whether you know it or not or have no reason to believe it's stolen. Sounds like your friend knew it wasn't the Mexican's so she is not innocent.Quote: AwesomesauceSo, a "FRIEND" of mine was at San Manuel. She went to the machine to cash out a $542 ticket. As she was going in her purse to get the ticket out, a Mexican female stepped in front of her to use the machine. She let her know, "hey I was here first". The lady went to step aside, but before doing so she grabbed some money that was sticking out of the machine. She then turned said something in Spanish and handed my friend the money. My friend put it in her purse and proceeded to cash out her ticket. She then went back to play her machines. About 20 mins later 4 officers came up to her and accused her of stealing. And she was band from the casino for a year for "petty theft". What's your opinion on this?
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April 22nd, 2019 at 9:08:43 AM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleSo what you're saying by machine, is a ticket cashing machine. You're saying the Mexican woman noticed the money left in the machine and gave it to your friend, maybe she thought your friend left it there is what you're saying. Lets say your friend didn't know the reason the Mexican woman handed her the money, didn't know the money was left in the dispenser. If someone gives you something that is stolen, you're in possession of stolen money whether you know it or not or have no reason to believe it's stolen. Sounds like your friend knew it wasn't the Mexican's so she is not innocent.
Yeah I was gonna use the example of the friend who lets you drive their stolen car.
Caught driving it you were in possession of stolen merchandise and are held liable/arrested even if you didnt know the car was stolen
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April 22nd, 2019 at 9:50:32 AM
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As soon as the OP mentioned a Mexican lady gave someone else money, I thought this was Fake News. (-;
If not Fake News, it looks like we have a new Joaquin Murrieta on our hands.
If not Fake News, it looks like we have a new Joaquin Murrieta on our hands.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:53:44 AM
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The OP also has a very Nathan-ish writing style.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:58:22 AM
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Quote: AwesomesauceBut by law, it wasnt me that stole it.
Yes it was. Or do you think you can get around theft by having the item touch a middleman? As in you can rob a bank as long as you have the teller hand it to a hostage first.
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:24:33 AM
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It cant be her. The name isn't Thomas, Jonathan, Ethan or Harry. And no smiley faces.Quote: michael99000The OP also has a very Nathan-ish writing style.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 22nd, 2019 at 1:20:24 PM
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Quote: michael99000The OP also has a very Nathan-ish writing style.
Yeah, I thought so too, so I looked at it earlier. Does not appear to be a sock of anyone.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 4:25:17 PM
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this thread is music to my ears since it involves someone being band from a casino....perhaps this story was orchestrated by the originator.
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April 22nd, 2019 at 7:04:56 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerthis thread is music to my ears since it involves someone being band from a casino....perhaps this story was orchestrated by the originator.
Its not like anyone here has ever made a typo.
I understand we all have perfect records in that department
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April 22nd, 2019 at 7:07:19 PM
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Appear, being the key word. As we all know there are simple ways to get around all that. So simple, Even a hobo could do it.Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I thought so too, so I looked at it earlier. Does not appear to be a sock of anyone.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 22nd, 2019 at 7:41:19 PM
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Agree.Quote: beachbumbabsThe point at which you went wrong was when you saw that the money was sticking out of the machine and the woman who stepped in front of you obviously (to you) hadn't put in a ticket to redeem it.
>>>>Thieves who grab coin buckets.
Do those exist anymore?
>>>>Thieves who reach into someone's money on the rail at a crowded craps table and steal chips.
Alas, I learned that the table does not have to be particularly crowded.
>>>>>>>>>This is a CONSTANT problem in all casinos.
Yes. It is the casino's desire that security be enforced quietly if possible. When I handed TITO tickets to a friend who had been losing heavily I did it well after the tickets had been generated and well away from the slot machine. I did it slowly and openly as well. Probably not necessary but a casino is not a place to fool around. I've only been frisked once by casino security.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:24:59 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffAgree.
>>>>Thieves who grab coin buckets.
Do those exist anymore?
>>>>Thieves who reach into someone's money on the rail at a crowded craps table and steal chips.
Alas, I learned that the table does not have to be particularly crowded.
>>>>>>>>>This is a CONSTANT problem in all casinos.
Yes. It is the casino's desire that security be enforced quietly if possible. When I handed TITO tickets to a friend who had been losing heavily I did it well after the tickets had been generated and well away from the slot machine. I did it slowly and openly as well. Probably not necessary but a casino is not a place to fool around. I've only been frisked once by casino security.
It is almost certain that the reason surveillance even became involved was not because an eagle-eyed surveillance guy notice one innocuous incident on 1 out of 2500 cameras.
More likely the person who left the money came back and made a complaint to security which went back and reviewed the tapes.
Based on solely my own experience this is almost always how it goes down
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April 22nd, 2019 at 9:03:26 PM
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True. I had something stolen from me and security/surveillance was happy to help and told me they don't want thieves around. I thought if I pressed charges, they would retaliate against me, but it didn't happen. Nothing ever came out of it, the older woman got away with stealing my belongings, never heard from the Sheriffs.Quote: darkozIt is almost certain that the reason surveillance even became involved was not because an eagle-eyed surveillance guy notice one innocuous incident on 1 out of 2500 cameras.
More likely the person who left the money came back and made a complaint to security which went back and reviewed the tapes.
Based on solely my own experience this is almost always how it goes down
Later at the same casino, some punk took my anchor money out of a machine while I searched around. The punk gave up the machine, I tried having them go after him, they looked at the tapes, but said they didn't see him doing anything. The slot attendant later told me surveillance probably just looked at the wrong time. They can screw up, don't know if this time was just based on the token $2 value of my loss.
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April 23rd, 2019 at 3:17:48 AM
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Surveillance cameras are monitored if focused on dealers or cashiers, otherwise the 'tapes' are reviewed only in response to complaints,
The personnel are often untrained and low-paid.
The personnel are often untrained and low-paid.
April 24th, 2019 at 6:22:13 AM
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I am not Awesomesauce, I promise. 😇(That face is SUPPOSED to be an innocent Angel, but it comes off as just a smile since the wings are white and blends into the white background and the gold halo blends into the blond hair , 😉) I can see the resemblance because AS at first claimed it happened to her Friend, but then later broke down and admitted that it was her all along. I have done something similar.
To AS directly, I fully think that the Casino is right on this one. You admitted you SAW the money sticking out of the TITO machine(You knew it wasn't yours and knew that it wasn't the lady's money as it was already sticking out even before the lady even tried to use the TITO machine and still took it after the lady handed it to you. Now you would have POSSIBLY be given the benefit of the doubt by The Casino if you had been sitting at a slot machine and the lady handed it to you without you having no idea where she got it from. See, in that case, you could have assumed she was just being generous and nice(People have mentioned being up so incredibly much, they have given other players like $100 just because they had gotten like $5,000 on a a $50 bankroll and wanted to be nice)but the way it happened, you knew that it wasn't the lady's money to be giving away. A polite, "No thanks," or even the ,"No, I'm good," hand wave would have been ideal.
To AS directly, I fully think that the Casino is right on this one. You admitted you SAW the money sticking out of the TITO machine(You knew it wasn't yours and knew that it wasn't the lady's money as it was already sticking out even before the lady even tried to use the TITO machine and still took it after the lady handed it to you. Now you would have POSSIBLY be given the benefit of the doubt by The Casino if you had been sitting at a slot machine and the lady handed it to you without you having no idea where she got it from. See, in that case, you could have assumed she was just being generous and nice(People have mentioned being up so incredibly much, they have given other players like $100 just because they had gotten like $5,000 on a a $50 bankroll and wanted to be nice)but the way it happened, you knew that it wasn't the lady's money to be giving away. A polite, "No thanks," or even the ,"No, I'm good," hand wave would have been ideal.
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April 26th, 2019 at 1:38:21 AM
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It recently occured to me that the other Lady could have actually been part of a sting by the Casino and that's why SHE wasn't the one who got into trouble, despite being the one taking the money out and handing it to Awesome Sauce. IIRC, someone claimed that someone told him that there was an abandoned purse full of money at a slot and he was welcome to take it. He said he declined, thinking it was a sting operation and had the feeling that if he had taken that money, he would have been the only one in trouble. So, the other lady could have been a plant(Not sure if this is the right word) for the Casino in a sting operation.
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April 26th, 2019 at 5:47:36 AM
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Quote: NathanSo, the other lady could have been a plant(Not sure if this is the right word) for the Casino in a sting operation.
Shouldn't and doesn't matter.
If it isn't yours you don't take it and if you somehow end up with it you bring it to security ASAP.
April 26th, 2019 at 6:11:07 AM
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Quote: NathanIt recently occured to me that the other Lady could have actually been part of a sting by the Casino and that's why SHE wasn't the one who got into trouble, despite being the one taking the money out and handing it to Awesome Sauce. IIRC, someone claimed that someone told him that there was an abandoned purse full of money at a slot and he was welcome to take it. He said he declined, thinking it was a sting operation and had the feeling that if he had taken that money, he would have been the only one in trouble. So, the other lady could have been a plant(Not sure if this is the right word) for the Casino in a sting operation.
There is no way the casino is going to go to all that trouble to catch a petty theft person from a general public situation.
Maybe in a MIT blackjack team situation I could see that happening (a plant or spy for the casino)
Besides to catch these type of vultures you dont need the whole manpower spy scenario. All you need to do is put $57 into a slot and have surveillance monitor it until someone comes along and cashes out and goes to either another game or the redemption machine.
My experience with casinos is the upper management does NOT take chances to catch someone when it could cost them direct cash. The chances that someone could cash out the $57 and abscond from the premises before they could surround the person (risking the casinos money i.e.) would deter any upper management from doing such a harebrained scheme
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April 26th, 2019 at 8:31:33 AM
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This forum is where is where I first read about people getting busted for cashing or using a slots ticket that they find. I've found money on the ground outside before, in fact when we were in Hawaii recently she found a $100. bill on the ground. So if you find cash on the ground at a casino (that has happened to me inside a casino, but never more than a few bucks or some change) it is illegal to pick it up??
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April 26th, 2019 at 8:33:53 AM
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Quote: MDawgThis forum is where is where I first read about getting busted for cashing or using a slots ticket that you find. I've found money on the ground outside before, in fact when we were in Hawaii recently she found a $100. bill on the ground. So if you find cash on the ground at a casino (that has happened to me, but never more than a few bucks or some change) it is illegal to pick it up??
I pick it up and take it to security.
Some places, if it's worth worrying about amount, you can leave your name and if it goes unclaimed after X days, it's yours. But most places, I think they donate unclaimed lost money.
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April 26th, 2019 at 9:16:09 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI pick it up and take it to security.
Some places, if it's worth worrying about amount, you can leave your name and if it goes unclaimed after X days, it's yours. But most places, I think they donate unclaimed lost money.
If you find money, turn it into security and have a benching show up looking for it. They will know the denominations and get the money.
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April 26th, 2019 at 10:52:45 AM
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Quote: MDawgThis forum is where is where I first read about people getting busted for cashing or using a slots ticket that they find. I've found money on the ground outside before, in fact when we were in Hawaii recently she found a $100. bill on the ground. So if you find cash on the ground at a casino (that has happened to me inside a casino, but never more than a few bucks or some change) it is illegal to pick it up??
It is illegal in Colorado, and the amount doesn’t matter. Same applies for playing off credits left on a game.
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April 26th, 2019 at 11:43:15 AM
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Quote: CrystalMathIt is illegal in Colorado, and the amount doesn’t matter. Same applies for playing off credits left on a game.
Nonetheless casino's can still go over bounds
Here is a case of a 79 yr old woman detained over a nickel she found.
https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/1761/Gambling-with-Casino-s-nickel-and-the-big-prize-winning-judgement/
Casino was slapped with high 6 figures judgement
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April 26th, 2019 at 12:08:35 PM
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Egregious!
I haven't researched this (yet), but thinking out loud...a casino being a private establishment may make any rules they like, I suppose, as long as they do not conflict directly with the governmental law, and are not unconstitutional somehow. (For example, they can't make a rule banning sex between unmarried hotel guests unless there is a corresponding law in that country or state).
They could go ahead and even make rules that conflict with governmental laws, but these might be challenged in court.
As far as the rules of theft...is it theft to find money on the sidewalk and pocket it? It depends on the local ordinances. Some places may require you to turn money over a certain amount to the police and wait to see if it is claimed, some may require you to turn over any amount to see if it is claimed, some may have no laws about this at all.
If there is no local ordinance against it, the casino will not be able to have you arrested by law enforcement for keeping money that you find on the ground or anywhere else. But I suppose that they may boot you, ban you, however in the case of what happened to the 79 year old lady darkoz mentioned, there were consequences for their actions, hefty costly ones.
Maybe there is a differentiation between money found on the casino floor, versus in the tray of a gaming machine, but again, if there is no local ordinance against it the casino will not be able to get you arrested.
What would be interesting is if there is any local ordinance that differentiates between cash found on the floor of a casino versus outside on the sidewalk. I doubt it, but just wondering.
I haven't researched this (yet), but thinking out loud...a casino being a private establishment may make any rules they like, I suppose, as long as they do not conflict directly with the governmental law, and are not unconstitutional somehow. (For example, they can't make a rule banning sex between unmarried hotel guests unless there is a corresponding law in that country or state).
They could go ahead and even make rules that conflict with governmental laws, but these might be challenged in court.
As far as the rules of theft...is it theft to find money on the sidewalk and pocket it? It depends on the local ordinances. Some places may require you to turn money over a certain amount to the police and wait to see if it is claimed, some may require you to turn over any amount to see if it is claimed, some may have no laws about this at all.
If there is no local ordinance against it, the casino will not be able to have you arrested by law enforcement for keeping money that you find on the ground or anywhere else. But I suppose that they may boot you, ban you, however in the case of what happened to the 79 year old lady darkoz mentioned, there were consequences for their actions, hefty costly ones.
Maybe there is a differentiation between money found on the casino floor, versus in the tray of a gaming machine, but again, if there is no local ordinance against it the casino will not be able to get you arrested.
What would be interesting is if there is any local ordinance that differentiates between cash found on the floor of a casino versus outside on the sidewalk. I doubt it, but just wondering.
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May 2nd, 2019 at 3:48:17 PM
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Quote: NathanIt recently occured to me that the other Lady could have actually been part of a sting by the Casino and that's why SHE wasn't the one who got into trouble, despite being the one taking the money out and handing it to Awesome Sauce. IIRC, someone claimed that someone told him that there was an abandoned purse full of money at a slot and he was welcome to take it. He said he declined, thinking it was a sting operation and had the feeling that if he had taken that money, he would have been the only one in trouble. So, the other lady could have been a plant(Not sure if this is the right word) for the Casino in a sting operation.
I call BS on this one. Casino staff and sting operation partners aren't targeting random Joe Schmo with bait money. They target known problem people/people suspected to be sketchy in stings. Just the fact that the guy admitted he declined because he thought it was a sting operation leads more credescense to my point. Note he did not say, something morally sound like,"No thanks, I don't take money that's not mine" he declined because he thought it was a sting. His implication that he would have taken it if he he didn't think it was part of a sting was very telling. I'm NOT outright saying that the OP is a problem person, but the fact that she took money she knew wasn't hers makes me wonder....The fact that she never came back after starting this controversial thread where she is clearly in the wrong is even more telling.
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Here come the Men In Black. They won't let you remember.
May 2nd, 2019 at 4:13:31 PM
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The other day I had multiple fair size tickets to cash. I wanted to keep some of the cash separated. I was loading the cash from various tickets cashes into various pockets that way I could go out and separate it propperly in the car. I stepped away from the TITO machine since there was a line forming behind me. As I was walking away, I was patting down each pocket and realized one pocket I planned on using didnt have any money in it. I started patting down all my pockets looking for any misplaced tickets or money as I was walking back to the machine. I was trying to focus at the cash ejection slot but I didnt really see any money sticking out(I didnt ever notice this before, but it only ejects it out just enough for you to grab it). Some lady was just standing there looking around kinda shifty like. As I got closer I was still walking and searching my pockets. It took her a second and then she asked if the money sitting in the slot was mine. I'm convinced she was about to take it had I been gone any longer.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 5th, 2019 at 2:05:31 AM
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Rules vary between states and Indian casinos.Quote: MDawgThis forum is where is where I first read about people getting busted for cashing or using a slots ticket that they find. I've found money on the ground outside before, in fact when we were in Hawaii recently she found a $100. bill on the ground. So if you find cash on the ground at a casino (that has happened to me inside a casino, but never more than a few bucks or some change) it is illegal to pick it up??
In Vegas, I was told by one casino - picking up tickets (even ones sitting on machines or the floor) or chips is "against the rules", but picking up cash is ok. Haven't looked up the actual Nevada law.
In Indian casinos - it varies.
At one casino, you can't pick up cash. You are supposed to turn it into security. If not claimed in 30 days, it's yours.
At another casino, if you walk three slot machines away, your money in the slot machine is considered "abandoned credits". They have a sign upon entry from the parking lot saying that they are NOT responsible for "abandoned or lost credits".
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I've forgotten many, many tickets...and had a few stolen while I was playing. My experience is that casinos are willing to playback cameras to track $100-200+, but not for $20. I only ask for tickets in the $150-200+ range.
Some casinos are very fast. They can check for a specific ticket amount across all slots and cashout machines.
Others have to investigate one slot machine at a time...and it can take 15-30 min.
Usually the casino finds the money, and if some money is spent, they offer FP to covering the missing amount.
If the accused person later returns the spent money, the casino will give you that amount also.
There are only 3 times where a casino has failed to help (I recommend always talking to them in person. Over the phone doesn't seem to motivate them so much.)
I tried helping some people who lost small amounts under $50, but casinos seem unwilling to playback cameras for those amounts.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:16:11 PM
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I don't worry about change less than minimum bet if I know I'm definitely going to play a machine. If I might play, because I can't see the state of the game, I cash out the pennies and lay it near the machine. I don't expect trouble and have never had any. Nobody acres about 39c. 8ts actually burdensome cashing out a ticket, can take more time than you think. Cashing out a small ticket also might ruin the machine, because it may run out of tickets and you'll get held up unable to play elsewhere before someone else.
I am a robot.
October 5th, 2019 at 5:20:44 AM
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Just wanted to give you an update on what happen. I took the case to the gaming commissioner and won by the preponderance of the evidence.(the video surveillance tape) My privileges were restored.
Awesomesauce
October 5th, 2019 at 5:25:17 AM
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Quote: AwesomesauceJust wanted to give you an update on what happen. I took the case to the gaming commissioner and won by the preponderance of the evidence.(the video surveillance tape) My privileges were restored.
Although I was on the casino's side, congratulations. Which gaming commissioner heard the case? I'm not asking for a name, but if they were independent from the San Manuel tribe.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 5th, 2019 at 5:25:23 AM
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It's not whether you're guilty, it's what they can prove! I was found innocent of the charges!
Awesomesauce
October 5th, 2019 at 5:30:13 AM
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The gaming commissioner for the San Manuel Tribal Court. After reviewing the tape he saw no wrong doing on my part. It was a long process. There is only one Commissioner to hear all the cases. So it took a while.
Awesomesauce
October 5th, 2019 at 6:18:23 AM
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Quote: AwesomesauceThe gaming commissioner for the San Manuel Tribal Court. After reviewing the tape he saw no wrong doing on my part. It was a long process. There is only one Commissioner to hear all the cases. So it took a while.
Did you meet him face to face? This is the first time I've heard of a tribal authority overruling a casino floor decision, so I'm rather curious.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 5th, 2019 at 10:29:28 AM
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Yes it was face to face. I sat at a long table with the commissioner, the head of security, the equipment operator, and some other gentlemen. Plus the security officer that took me up stairs to the secure floor. The hearing was not held in the same building as the casino is. But yes it was the trible commissioner that heard my case. Face to face.
Awesomesauce
October 5th, 2019 at 11:31:17 AM
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Quote: AwesomesauceYes it was face to face. I sat at a long table with the commissioner, the head of security, the equipment operator, and some other gentlemen. Plus the security officer that took me up stairs to the secure floor. The hearing was not held in the same building as the casino is. But yes it was the trible commissioner that heard my case. Face to face.
Thank you. Can't think of anything else to add.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
