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August 5th, 2011 at 6:06:09 AM permalink
I plan stuff and although I'm nowhere near retirement age, I decided that I'm going to plop my butt in the Las Vegas valley when I do retire. Having said that, I have to buy a house in the valley. Which area in the valley has it's poop together? I read that North LV is planning on closing senior centers because they haven't figured out that it takes adequate revenue to pay for things. Are Enterprise, Paradise, Las Vegas proper, or Henderson in any better shape? Am I leaving any municipalities out? Where should I target my house hunting? I also hate HOAs. I also want to be within 2 standard deviations off a 20 minute car ride to the strip.
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August 5th, 2011 at 7:59:20 AM permalink
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August 5th, 2011 at 8:30:42 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

I also want to be within 2 standard deviations off a 20 minute car ride to the strip.

Why? Why do you want to go to the strip? Most people in Las Vegas only trek their out of necessity otherwise they avoid the place and frequent the locals casinos. This does not mean that you should become some denizen of Dottys but that it would be more likely for you to want the easier traffic and easier parking and often better bargains of the outlying casinos.

Sure as a local you will soon learn the ins and outs of how to get good parking downtown or how to make use of The Strip but not be stuck in rush hour jams on it but I would think about living and transportation a bit more.

You say "house hunting". Apartment building hunting might be more suitable. Definitely avoid the HOAs even though that can be real hard to do these days.
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August 5th, 2011 at 8:38:09 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Why? Why do you want to go to the strip? Most people in Las Vegas only trek their out of necessity otherwise they avoid the place and frequent the locals casinos. This does not mean that you should become some denizen of Dottys but that it would be more likely for you to want the easier traffic and easier parking and often better bargains of the outlying casinos.

Sure as a local you will soon learn the ins and outs of how to get good parking downtown or how to make use of The Strip but not be stuck in rush hour jams on it but I would think about living and transportation a bit more.

You say "house hunting". Apartment building hunting might be more suitable. Definitely avoid the HOAs even though that can be real hard to do these days.

ignorance my friend. That and the proximity of the buffets.
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August 5th, 2011 at 9:20:15 AM permalink
My friend lives in southwest Vegas, near Jones and Robindale. It's kind of an undeveloped area -- still growing. But its very convenient to everything with good retail. Nearest casino is Silverton. He got a great deal on his house. It's in an HOA, though. Hard to find a place without an HOA, but maybe you can find a lax one.

The only places that aren't really near casinos are the far West-Southwest areas of the valley. I wouldn't live in N. Las Vegas or near the Boulder Strip.
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August 5th, 2011 at 9:40:34 AM permalink
This has come up before, and I still recommend the west side of town. In particular the Lakes/Peccole Ranch area. It is close to the Suncoast and Red Rock for your cheap buffets. Drive time to the north Strip will be about 20 minutes, except at rush hour it will be more. Summerlin is fine too, but buy a home at least ten years old, so you don't have to assume the 10-year Summerlin fees.

Before you buy, look at a chart of how housing values have done by zip code. I think the entire city is off at least 50% from the highs, but some neighborhoods are down more like 70%. The Summerlin and surrounding areas have not done as badly as the city on average. Please check the actual statistics, I'm just going off of what I read briefly over a year ago. I would not touch the cookie-cutter neighborhoods, especially in the north, that went up during the boom years, which were hit the hardest when the bubble popped.
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August 5th, 2011 at 9:49:46 AM permalink
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...but buy a home at least ten years old, so you don't have to assume the 10-year Summerlin fees.

Before you buy, look at a chart of how housing values have done by zip code. I think the entire city is off at least 50% from the highs, but some neighborhoods are down more like 70%. The Summerlin and surrounding areas have not done as badly as the city on average. Please check the actual statistics, I'm just going off of what I read briefly over a year ago. I would not touch the cookie-cutter neighborhoods, especially in the north, that went up during the boom years, which were hit the hardest when the bubble popped.

I've been using Zillow. I wasn't aware of "Summerlin Fees" good to know. I guess I should get an agent.
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August 5th, 2011 at 9:58:25 AM permalink
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I've been using Zillow. I wasn't aware of "Summerlin Fees" good to know. I guess I should get an agent.



In Summerlin every new home buyer had to pay a high monthly build out fee for ten years. If they sold before the ten years, the new owner had to resume the payments. This is aside from the usual HOA you'll have to pay just about anywhere, which are reasonable in Summerlin.

Since the seller has to pay the fees for both agents, as a buyer I would definitely get an agent. You may be able to negotiate a kick-back since times are very tough and competitive in that business. Don't let the agent rush you into buying.

I'd take your sweet time waiting for a desperate seller. The problem when I bought two years ago was all the sellers were asking about 10% more than the value of their homes, so hardly anything was moving.
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:25:53 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard



I'd take your sweet time waiting for a desperate seller. The problem when I bought two years ago was all the sellers were asking about 10% more than the value of their homes, so hardly anything was moving.



So you have to pay an HOA plus the monthly build out fee
on the house you bought in 2009, plus the mortgage?
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:38:17 AM permalink
I know it seems like everyone thinks HOA's are the devil, but I have none where I live. The guy across the street from me has two trucks parked in his front yard that never move. In the back yard(which I don't have to look at, but have seen) there is an old aluminum john boat, about three or four old Volkswagen's and who know what else. He's one of those hoarder type people, his garage is full of all kinds of crap.
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:47:43 AM permalink
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So you have to pay an HOA plus the monthly build out fee on the house you bought in 2009, plus the mortgage?



I don't pay the build out fee because my house is more than ten years old.
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:51:47 AM permalink
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I know it seems like everyone thinks HOA's are the devil, but I have none where I live. The guy across the street from me has two trucks parked in his front yard that never move.



And you live in Vegas? I live in MI and can't do that,
the township doesn't allow unlicensed vehicles anywhere
on your property to be sitting outside.
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:52:57 AM permalink
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I know it seems like everyone thinks HOA's are the devil, but I have none where I live. The guy across the street from me has two trucks parked in his front yard that never move. In the back yard(which I don't have to look at, but have seen) there is an old aluminum john boat, about three or four old Volkswagen's and who know what else. He's one of those hoarder type people, his garage is full of all kinds of crap.

I guess I should have mentioned my collection if Studebakers.
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August 5th, 2011 at 11:55:07 AM permalink
No, I don't live in Vegas. I'm just making a point.
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August 5th, 2011 at 1:04:04 PM permalink
Quote: Alan

I know it seems like everyone thinks HOA's are the devil, but I have none where I live. The guy across the street from me has two trucks parked in his front yard that never move. In the back yard(which I don't have to look at, but have seen) there is an old aluminum john boat, about three or four old Volkswagen's and who know what else. He's one of those hoarder type people, his garage is full of all kinds of crap.



I understand that an eyesore can be wearisome to ahve nearby, but, really, so long as the guy's property does not attract vermin or emit a persistent and unpleasant smell, you can simply not look at his ugly property.

Unless he also whistles dirty tunes :P
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August 5th, 2011 at 1:24:51 PM permalink
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, so long as the guy's property does not attract vermin or emit a persistent and unpleasant smell, you can simply not look at his ugly property.

Please tell prospective buyers that! Eyesores bring property values down and lure other jerks to move there.

Note: an inactive HOA can be dangerous. Suddenly some owners start voting as a block and the HOA is now over-active and you would give anything to have Vehicle Hoarder.
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August 5th, 2011 at 1:50:25 PM permalink
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I understand that an eyesore can be wearisome to ahve nearby, but, really, so long as the guy's property does not attract vermin or emit a persistent and unpleasant smell, you can simply not look at his ugly property.



I have to sympathize with Alan on this one. When I lived in Baltimore there was an abandoned car across the street from my house. Lots of parts were stripped off, including the wheels, and then people started to vandalize it. I know it is easy to say "just don't look at it," but my eyes were drawn to it like a turd in a punch bowl.

Nevertheless, we had a HOA in that neighborhood too, and it still took them about six weeks to have the car removed. However, at least it finally got done.
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August 5th, 2011 at 2:17:34 PM permalink
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I have to sympathize with Alan on this one. When I lived in Baltimore there was an abandoned car across the street from my house. Lots of parts were stripped off, including the wheels, and then people started to vandalize it.



I said so long as the property doesn't attract vermin. Thieves and vandals, IMO, are just that.

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I know it is easy to say "just don't look at it," but my eyes were drawn to it like a turd in a punch bowl.



1) In that situation, looking at it is the least of your worries :P

2) I used to live accross one of the ugliest houses I've ever seen. The whole block pretty much went up in the 70s, when the modern, functional, partly futuristic style was en vogue (my place combined thrusting blocks with a slanted facade which had very interesting effects indoors). the house in front was a combination of colonial Mexican (an ugly style by itself) with American style slanted roof, covered with orange shingles. The house was painted variously yellow, red and orange. I just ignored it.

Now I know that's not the same kind fo eyesore as having trash on the property, or abandoned vehicles (which collect dirt, dead leaves and other detritus with amazing speed), but I've also heard of whole neighborhoods throwing fits over satellite dishes and windmills, in every case crying "EYESORE!" So I think the word is over-used.
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August 7th, 2011 at 8:55:09 AM permalink
I spoke with an agent last night, he says that his business is starting to pick up on the investment side but people still aren't moving to LV. He also warned me about some other fee traps other than HOAs and the Summerlin tax but it was a laundry list so I don't actually recall the names. He said that if you're not careful, you could end up paying four or more separate annual fees just for buying the wrong house.

I found this fixer-upper with room for my Studebakers on Buckaroo Ave. I don't know if I could live on a street named Buckaroo Avenue but I'll have a look when I get there.
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August 7th, 2011 at 9:12:23 AM permalink
Big house. Looks like from the over head shot that there are other buildings on the property. You might want to find out how much traffic is on the adjacent street Torrey Pines, it may be a noise issue if it's heavily travelled.
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August 7th, 2011 at 9:17:21 AM permalink
Quote: Alan

Big house. Looks like from the over head shot that there are other buildings on the property. You might want to find out how much traffic is on the adjacent street Torrey Pines, it may be a noise issue if it's heavily travelled.

I'm not seriously thinking about that specific property, but one like it would be nice. The detached garage would be perfect for the car collection. I'm not thrilled about the location but I think I would have to scope out the area in person to rule it in or out.
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August 7th, 2011 at 2:25:47 PM permalink
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You say "house hunting". Apartment building hunting might be more suitable.

You buy some older style apartment building, designate something as a "meeting room" then fill up the apartments four bunks to a room and rent them out as a "Rehab Center". All you have to do is hire someone to do a head count at curfew time and have a nurse come in every now and then to watch the little plastic bottles being filled and you are rolling in dough.

Much better than investing in a single family home.
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August 7th, 2011 at 2:33:13 PM permalink
This is the place-not far from the strip.
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August 7th, 2011 at 3:06:39 PM permalink
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I don't know if I could live on a street named Buckaroo Avenue.


Why not? We have friends who live on Cackling Goose [cq] up in Aliante.
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August 7th, 2011 at 5:40:15 PM permalink
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This is the place-not far from the strip.
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i'm not sure I want to buy a $9,999,000 second home. The mortgage on my current home is plenty bad enough.
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August 7th, 2011 at 5:45:25 PM permalink
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I found this fixer-upper with room for my Studebakers on Buckaroo Ave. I don't know if I could live on a street named Buckaroo Avenue but I'll have a look when I get there.



It was going for 800K four years ago and 250K now? Thats
just plain scary. Thats a strange house. It has that slanted
roof in every room, especially the bedrooms. I don't like
roofs like that, they deduct from the actual living space and
make it darn hard to put in shelves.
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August 7th, 2011 at 6:35:11 PM permalink
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Why not? We have friends who live on Cackling Goose [cq] up in Aliante.



I know a guy who lives on Intellectual Court in Henderson. The other street names in that neighborhood are just as bad. Here are just some examples:

Devotion Ridge
Optimistic Court
Spectacular Street
Encouraging Court
Faith Filled Court

Don't believe me, do a MapQuest search on it. Googlemaps doesn't show all the street names.
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August 7th, 2011 at 8:42:46 PM permalink
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My favorite is Jolly January and Lazy Bear.



Theres something chilling about the cutesy names now that
Vegas is in such dire straits. Like something out of a Stephen
King novel, where all the people on those streets are gone
and the houses are all haunted.
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August 7th, 2011 at 9:02:05 PM permalink
There's a "Chewing Gum" Street (chicle) in Mexico City, as well as one called "Recess" (recreo)
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:25:18 PM permalink
There's a street named after Jimmy Durante here. I wonder what percentage of people know who he is anymore?
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:29:44 PM permalink
I barely knew who he was when he was around. He was
one of the 'characters' left over from Vaudeville, he'd never
make it in show biz today, what was his 'talent', exactly.
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:38:08 PM permalink
I kinda of thought the same thing. I think "character" was his talent.
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:50:44 PM permalink
He was a big radio star in the 30's and 40's and in the very
early years of TV. He had a big nose and a raspy voice that
was made for radio comedy. He was a big deal in his day.
People don't realize that radio stars like George Burns and
Bing Crosby and others made thousands of dollars a week
on the radio, when your average person was making $2500
a year.
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August 8th, 2011 at 4:11:02 AM permalink
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My favorite is Jolly January and Lazy Bear.

I could live on Lazy Bear!
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August 8th, 2011 at 5:09:58 AM permalink
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I could live on Lazy Bear!



Not in a Stephen King novel you couldn't. You'd
be eaten before breakfast....
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August 8th, 2011 at 5:44:59 AM permalink
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Not in a Stephen King novel you couldn't. You'd
be eaten before breakfast....

if I lived in a Stephen King novel, I would have telekinetic powers and cook the bear in a horrible prom fire!
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