Driving in Vegas vs. Uber
August 7th, 2016 at 9:26:50 AM
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Which is more cost effective, driving a car you own or Uber/Lyft/cab (during peak hours to avoid surge fares) for a casino hopping card counter? I'll try for 10 hours a day (that's not hard, but 10 one hour sessions can be challenging) so I'm wondering which is more cost effective.
This example:
A car costs $220 a month plus $150 a month insurance, gas and theoretical repairs. Gas can add up, even without traffic; city driving is getting 19 mpg (30 hwy if I don't go too fast.) Valet parking at casino's that don't have a general parking lot, tips are almost as much as an Uber.
Vs.
Uber (and similar):
It's like 90c a mile plus 15c per minute +3.20, if there is a surge; I'd go with a cab if there is a surge.
Obviously, costs go down if sessions are longer. I had longevity at most places last time I went, but I don't know if I want to use the same camouflage. Uber charges more in Vegas than other places, so it's less desirable; even worse if there are surges often.
For driving, traffic increases gas costs and valet tipping is a factor (what's a good valet tip?) Is there a list of casino's in the greater Las Vegas area and their parking styles? Does Uber surge a lot in Vegas?
This example:
A car costs $220 a month plus $150 a month insurance, gas and theoretical repairs. Gas can add up, even without traffic; city driving is getting 19 mpg (30 hwy if I don't go too fast.) Valet parking at casino's that don't have a general parking lot, tips are almost as much as an Uber.
Vs.
Uber (and similar):
It's like 90c a mile plus 15c per minute +3.20, if there is a surge; I'd go with a cab if there is a surge.
Obviously, costs go down if sessions are longer. I had longevity at most places last time I went, but I don't know if I want to use the same camouflage. Uber charges more in Vegas than other places, so it's less desirable; even worse if there are surges often.
For driving, traffic increases gas costs and valet tipping is a factor (what's a good valet tip?) Is there a list of casino's in the greater Las Vegas area and their parking styles? Does Uber surge a lot in Vegas?
August 7th, 2016 at 9:58:03 AM
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If you're going to that level of detail in the analysis, I think you also need to factor in taxes and expense deductibility. Have you asked your accountant which of the above costs would be deductible?
Also, consider which is more efficient (not effective) -- if Uber is down, or if there are no drivers around, you're stuck with a cab or you're waiting. That can eat into your playing time, thereby lowering your revenue/hour. Plus, I can't imagine not owning a car in Vegas.
My instinct would be to own your car and deduct the expenses for your job (that job being card counting, assuming you file as a professional), but I don't have the numbers applicable to your specific situation.
And while you're at it, if it's truly about the money as opposed to the lifestyle, I'd consider whether your net after all that effort is still greater than what you could earn at a less peripatetic desk job. Food for thought.
Also, consider which is more efficient (not effective) -- if Uber is down, or if there are no drivers around, you're stuck with a cab or you're waiting. That can eat into your playing time, thereby lowering your revenue/hour. Plus, I can't imagine not owning a car in Vegas.
My instinct would be to own your car and deduct the expenses for your job (that job being card counting, assuming you file as a professional), but I don't have the numbers applicable to your specific situation.
And while you're at it, if it's truly about the money as opposed to the lifestyle, I'd consider whether your net after all that effort is still greater than what you could earn at a less peripatetic desk job. Food for thought.
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August 7th, 2016 at 10:15:27 AM
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I don't know about the OP, but either you own a car or you don't. It's not like you can just buy a car for one month or something like that. So if you already own a car, obviously that's gonna be better, since you're already paying insurance and whatnot. Plus it's way more convenient to be able to drive yourself. Waiting for a cab or uber IMO sucks. Also if you have your car you can have stuff with you -- leave chips in the car if you have some extra, food and snacks perhaps, just random other stuff too, so you're not walking around the casino with your pockets full of random stuff you need but not at that time.
Don't valet, just use self park. Only place it gets weird is downtown, but you can just play like 50 coin in on a machine and get your ticket validated. Strip you can walk the entire (or most) thing without having to drive from one to the other. And off strip properties like stations that are spread out, they all should have free self parking. Only place I remember that doesn't is downtown, but there may be another off strip that may charge for parking.
Don't valet, just use self park. Only place it gets weird is downtown, but you can just play like 50 coin in on a machine and get your ticket validated. Strip you can walk the entire (or most) thing without having to drive from one to the other. And off strip properties like stations that are spread out, they all should have free self parking. Only place I remember that doesn't is downtown, but there may be another off strip that may charge for parking.
August 7th, 2016 at 10:18:03 AM
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Quote: RSOnly place I remember that doesn't is downtown, but there may be another off strip that may charge for parking.
A huge portion of the strip now charges for parking. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the strip charges for parking in the near future.
August 7th, 2016 at 10:57:07 AM
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For downtown, I'd just get there and walk to different places; most of the down town places are within walking distance.
"50 coin in" I don't spend much time with VP, it's okay for comp redemption if you play rated and don't want to stay somewhere and they don't do cash rebates (at the same rate) or promo chips.
(To the comment on taxes), that's a good point; if I was itemizing. Since I use the standard deduction and not forming a corporation, it's not worth it.
I'm in a situation where I may either buy a new car or sell it, depends on some things going on.
Some things are dependent on how much people pay attention to my action, I may have longevity with longer sessions. Last time, MGM was the only one that payed any attention to me; Trop was no issue but nothing playable. No heat at single and double deck games and I only lost 1 session (at MGM). I did get pref shuffled at SD by a middle aged asian woman, but never at DD. A lot of SD has closed down, but there are DD tables as well as shoe games with good pen and LS.
How often is Uber surging?
"50 coin in" I don't spend much time with VP, it's okay for comp redemption if you play rated and don't want to stay somewhere and they don't do cash rebates (at the same rate) or promo chips.
(To the comment on taxes), that's a good point; if I was itemizing. Since I use the standard deduction and not forming a corporation, it's not worth it.
I'm in a situation where I may either buy a new car or sell it, depends on some things going on.
Some things are dependent on how much people pay attention to my action, I may have longevity with longer sessions. Last time, MGM was the only one that payed any attention to me; Trop was no issue but nothing playable. No heat at single and double deck games and I only lost 1 session (at MGM). I did get pref shuffled at SD by a middle aged asian woman, but never at DD. A lot of SD has closed down, but there are DD tables as well as shoe games with good pen and LS.
How often is Uber surging?
August 7th, 2016 at 11:23:40 AM
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Living in Vegas, or even staying there for an extended period, a car is needed for many other things. Will you use uber to go shopping? Doctors appointments? Banking?Church? Dinners, shows?
I can't imagine uber being cheaper than owning a car.
I bought anew car when I moved here. Between payments,insurance and gas, it's about $500 a month.
That's roughly $17 a day. Pretty sure your plans would run more than that
I can't imagine uber being cheaper than owning a car.
I bought anew car when I moved here. Between payments,insurance and gas, it's about $500 a month.
That's roughly $17 a day. Pretty sure your plans would run more than that
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August 7th, 2016 at 5:17:32 PM
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Billryan: You forget to include tips to valets, what % of casino's is that essential? What % of the time is traffic slow? On the strip, It may be high; outside of that area, not so bad. Repairs? Liability of owning a car? I'm not saying anything for sure, it's a question.
I mainly plan on focusing all my time at casino's in the various regions of vegas (i.e. a few days in DT, some time on and near the strip, east, north etc.) But, outside of the strip and DT, things are often far apart. Having friends to share expenses with is good. If I have a car in Vegas and meet friends that want to go to the same places, we might all chip in $2-5 each place to give to the one driving. It's only gas money in reality.
You are probably right, owning a car is better; and if I have a run of bad luck, I've driven professionally. Escorts pay the best (they have no concept of money, they pay 30-150 for a ride somewhere depending on the circumstances), but it's not always easy to meet new escorts that trust you. On your suggestions of my time uses outside of casinos, the only church I want to go to is when I am very rich; I will found a church to give all my money to with the purpose of searching for my reincarnation to give me back my money!
I mainly plan on focusing all my time at casino's in the various regions of vegas (i.e. a few days in DT, some time on and near the strip, east, north etc.) But, outside of the strip and DT, things are often far apart. Having friends to share expenses with is good. If I have a car in Vegas and meet friends that want to go to the same places, we might all chip in $2-5 each place to give to the one driving. It's only gas money in reality.
You are probably right, owning a car is better; and if I have a run of bad luck, I've driven professionally. Escorts pay the best (they have no concept of money, they pay 30-150 for a ride somewhere depending on the circumstances), but it's not always easy to meet new escorts that trust you. On your suggestions of my time uses outside of casinos, the only church I want to go to is when I am very rich; I will found a church to give all my money to with the purpose of searching for my reincarnation to give me back my money!
August 7th, 2016 at 6:35:46 PM
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I've lived here for almost three months, and have valeted twice. Once at South Point the day I'd twisted my ankle and once Downtown because there were competing concerts and parking was a mess. When I was a tourist, I valeted all the time, but as a resident, those fees add up quickly.
With a Nevada license, parking is free on the strip, valet isn't.
Most cars these days come with a bumper to bumper warranty so repairs aren't a problem.
I'm not sure how effective uber would be at the outer casinos.I'd imagine the drivers want to be in the airport to downtown corridor., not hanging around the EastsideCannery or Big Horn.
I prefer to Lone Wolf casino runs, myself.
With a Nevada license, parking is free on the strip, valet isn't.
Most cars these days come with a bumper to bumper warranty so repairs aren't a problem.
I'm not sure how effective uber would be at the outer casinos.I'd imagine the drivers want to be in the airport to downtown corridor., not hanging around the EastsideCannery or Big Horn.
I prefer to Lone Wolf casino runs, myself.
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August 7th, 2016 at 7:04:33 PM
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I took an Uber from the Mirage to the Aria and it cost $6.50.
Lyft was doing surge pricing at the time, Uber wasn't. So Uber won.
Lyft was doing surge pricing at the time, Uber wasn't. So Uber won.
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August 7th, 2016 at 7:25:03 PM
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Quote: ams288I took an Uber from the Mirage to the Aria and it cost $6.50.
Lyft was doing surge pricing at the time, Uber wasn't. So Uber won.
I'd have walked and paid $0.00. :-)
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August 7th, 2016 at 7:29:22 PM
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Get a cheap beater that you can abandon without any real worry, and drive yourself.
Doesn't cost that much to drop a NASCAR style engine in it.
The big guy in the big SUV following you?
If anyone asks, claim you are in the federal witness protection system.
Doesn't cost that much to drop a NASCAR style engine in it.
The big guy in the big SUV following you?
If anyone asks, claim you are in the federal witness protection system.
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August 7th, 2016 at 9:48:35 PM
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All good points. Undecided at this point, if valet parking is rarely required; then driving makes more sense. If traffic sucks, it's a problem either way. The plus about keeping my car is that if I have any trouble, I can always make money driving.
August 7th, 2016 at 9:53:47 PM
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A couple of drivers were robbed in Detroit this morning.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ9uns-jGbQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ9uns-jGbQ
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August 7th, 2016 at 11:01:28 PM
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Detroit is pretty bad, I wouldn't go there.
Best policy, get a concealed carry permit. This way, it's not an issue; your gun isn't visible and it's legal.
Have you ever seen "Martial Law" with Sammo Hung? He get's carjacked while driving and throws his hands up saying "I surrender", the car jacker thinks he's crazy. I think they guy jumped out of the car or something, I forget.
Best policy, get a concealed carry permit. This way, it's not an issue; your gun isn't visible and it's legal.
Have you ever seen "Martial Law" with Sammo Hung? He get's carjacked while driving and throws his hands up saying "I surrender", the car jacker thinks he's crazy. I think they guy jumped out of the car or something, I forget.
August 8th, 2016 at 3:55:40 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI'd have walked and paid $0.00. :-)
I typically walk, but it was 110 degrees and I wasn't in the mood.
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August 8th, 2016 at 4:54:51 AM
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Quote: billionaireben
Best policy, get a concealed carry permit. This way, it's not an issue; your gun isn't visible and it's legal.
I don't know how you could possibly defend yourself driving a car with the robber sitting in the back, especially if your right-handed. I would think your odds might just be better gunning the car forward and pressuring them to ditch the gun or jumping out of the car.
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August 10th, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM
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The conceal carry comment was more for walking up to the car. As for driving uber, I usually invited people to the front if possible and never drove anyone scary. Not to say a little old lady couldn't pull a gun and rob someone, but I never carried cash as an uber driver. You're right, insane driving within reason (swerving within a lane or if no traffic going wild) would deter most robbers. The goal is to make it undesirable and not worth it to rob a driver.
As for protecting your bankroll, I stand by my conceal carry comment. As long as you don't flash your roll and have situational awareness, you should be okay.
As for protecting your bankroll, I stand by my conceal carry comment. As long as you don't flash your roll and have situational awareness, you should be okay.
August 10th, 2016 at 9:18:35 PM
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Who would rob a driver that doesn't accept cash?
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August 11th, 2016 at 6:16:09 AM
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Quote: billryanWho would rob a driver that doesn't accept cash?
I think you are giving criminals way too much credit. People are morons.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 11th, 2016 at 11:08:59 AM
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Quote: billryanWho would rob a driver that doesn't accept cash?
Rob the driver, no. Steal the car, certainly.
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August 12th, 2016 at 10:14:48 PM
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I don't know where all this "dangers of driving Uber" came in, the question was about driving in Vegas vs. riding Uber. The insurance adjuster just notified me that the car is totaled (cosmetic only, due to body shop rip off prices.) So, now my choices are: A. Get a new car, B. rebuild the old car and go through DMV bull shit to get a rebuild title (instead of Salvage) or C. Go without a car.
In my opinion, a mechanically and structurally sound car being totaled by an insurance company and titled as salvage is theft! Someone wrecked my car and all of my payments disappear. I get zip. I could buy another for nothing down (I use my money to make money, not buy cars), fix this one (a headache and depends what the salvage price will be) or just rely on Uber/bus/shuttle/walking/taxi (in that order.)
On the subject or someone stealing the car, there are anti-theft devices (uber has the persons info usually). But, they tell you to get out, you give them the keys and pull a gun and blow their brains out! Then leave them on the curb like the garbage they are. Gotta regulate.
What I really want, is a hot woman to star in porn movies with me in Las Vegas (the new porn capital), who already has a place and a car; who may or may not want to learn AP methods. I'd settle for a cocktail waitress or showgirl though, free place to stay and a driver; for a cheap bastard like me, it's a dream. But, I will miss my car; so beautiful it attracted another car.
In my opinion, a mechanically and structurally sound car being totaled by an insurance company and titled as salvage is theft! Someone wrecked my car and all of my payments disappear. I get zip. I could buy another for nothing down (I use my money to make money, not buy cars), fix this one (a headache and depends what the salvage price will be) or just rely on Uber/bus/shuttle/walking/taxi (in that order.)
On the subject or someone stealing the car, there are anti-theft devices (uber has the persons info usually). But, they tell you to get out, you give them the keys and pull a gun and blow their brains out! Then leave them on the curb like the garbage they are. Gotta regulate.
What I really want, is a hot woman to star in porn movies with me in Las Vegas (the new porn capital), who already has a place and a car; who may or may not want to learn AP methods. I'd settle for a cocktail waitress or showgirl though, free place to stay and a driver; for a cheap bastard like me, it's a dream. But, I will miss my car; so beautiful it attracted another car.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:12:16 AM
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They dont make uber easy to find at the las vegas airport. After looking around with no clue, i see the airport info desk. They say, "see that lot, cross it and there is a building. Take the building elevator to the second floor then walk down the side of that building. A bit convoluted but when i got there, very good set up with tons of marked spaces. Uber comes and calls you with space number and you walk over to the car. A lot of people there ordering cars
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June 29th, 2018 at 3:45:23 PM
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June 29th, 2018 at 3:51:59 PM
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As an east coaster, Vegas is by far the easiest major city Ive ever driven in.
I imagine its a product of the city being built after cars were invented.
I imagine its a product of the city being built after cars were invented.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:41:23 PM
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Quote: gamerfreakAs an east coaster, Vegas is by far the easiest major city Ive ever driven in.
I imagine its a product of the city being built after cars were invented.
Have you been to the residential parts of the city? For example, just about everyone I've talked to has a bit of difficulty finding Mr. Wizards abode.
Some of the newer developments went with serpentine roads, traffic circles, and crescents rather than the grids most places use.
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June 29th, 2018 at 9:43:48 PM
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Quote: terapinedThey dont make uber easy to find at the las vegas airport. After looking around with no clue, i see the airport info desk. They say, "see that lot, cross it and there is a building. Take the building elevator to the second floor then walk down the side of that building. A bit convoluted but when i got there, very good set up with tons of marked spaces. Uber comes and calls you with space number and you walk over to the car. A lot of people there ordering cars
Try getting an Uber at MGM Grand. You can walk to the airport almost as fast as the walk( in the opposite direction) to the Uber stand over by Top Golf. I was shocked to learn that is the spot for the whole complex.
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June 29th, 2018 at 10:05:04 PM
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Quote: billryanHave you been to the residential parts of the city? For example, just about everyone I've talked to has a bit of difficulty finding Mr. Wizards abode.
Some of the newer developments went with serpentine roads, traffic circles, and crescents rather than the grids most places use.
I had a bit of trouble finding Siam because my GPS put it at some weird abandoned store fronts behind the shopping center where it was located. Same with Hard Rock parking garage, Google maps did not take me to the entrance.
But I blame Google Maps for those kinds of things.
Those small issues pale in comparison to drivingbin Manhattan or Philadelphia.
June 29th, 2018 at 10:24:20 PM
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I've only driven around Philly a few times, but never understood the problem people have with Manhattan.
Most of it is a numbered grid. If you are on 18th and 3rd and want to get to 50 and Sixth, you know how many streets and Avenues to cross. Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx is another story.
I had a bar on 74th and Broadway in Queens. There is a concert hall in Manhattan on 74th and Broadway. Two entirely different streets. Different Boros, different sides of the river.
At least once a year, someone would come in looking for the concert. By Subway, it was about 40 minutes from one to the other.
The city I used to get hopelessly lost in DC. Jacksonville confused the heck out of me the week I spent there. Long before GPS.
Most of it is a numbered grid. If you are on 18th and 3rd and want to get to 50 and Sixth, you know how many streets and Avenues to cross. Brooklyn, Queens or The Bronx is another story.
I had a bar on 74th and Broadway in Queens. There is a concert hall in Manhattan on 74th and Broadway. Two entirely different streets. Different Boros, different sides of the river.
At least once a year, someone would come in looking for the concert. By Subway, it was about 40 minutes from one to the other.
The city I used to get hopelessly lost in DC. Jacksonville confused the heck out of me the week I spent there. Long before GPS.
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June 29th, 2018 at 11:47:13 PM
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Boston is the hardest city to navigate.
Vegas has the worst drivers in the US ainec.
Vegas has the worst drivers in the US ainec.
June 30th, 2018 at 12:13:09 AM
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Quote: billryanTry getting an Uber at MGM Grand. You can walk to the airport almost as fast as the walk( in the opposite direction) to the Uber stand over by Top Golf. I was shocked to learn that is the spot for the whole complex.
Wow, thats absurd.
I'd walk to the Trop, they may be Uber friendly.
Staying at Harrahs. Very Uber friendly with a pickup area right near main entrance
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June 30th, 2018 at 1:01:44 AM
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Quote: RigondeauxBoston is the hardest city to navigate.
Vegas has the worst drivers in the US ainec.
Boston is bad. Especially if the Sox are playing.
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June 30th, 2018 at 6:08:00 AM
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Vegas is VERY easy to navigate.
The one time I went there, I made one wrong turn. But I traveled less than 50 yards before the GPS had me fix my error.Quote: billryanFor example, just about everyone I've talked to has a bit of difficulty finding Mr. Wizards abode.
Modt often directions given in Boston? You cant get there from here.Quote: RigondeauxBoston is the hardest city to navigate.
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June 30th, 2018 at 8:02:03 AM
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Quote: terapinedThey dont make uber easy to find at the las vegas airport. After looking around with no clue, i see the airport info desk. They say, "see that lot, cross it and there is a building. Take the building elevator to the second floor then walk down the side of that building. A bit convoluted but when i got there, very good set up with tons of marked spaces. Uber comes and calls you with space number and you walk over to the car. A lot of people there ordering cars
There are literally 200 signs telling you where to go.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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June 30th, 2018 at 9:55:36 AM
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Quote: GWAEThere are literally 200 signs telling you where to go.
It is a little confusing, and counter intuitive. I'm often asked by people halfway there if they are going the right way.
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June 30th, 2018 at 10:47:01 AM
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I've driven in the following large cities. In order of difficulty (my opinion):
1. BOSTON! Yeesh. What a mess.
2. Wash DC. Roundabouts, one-ways, closed streets
3. Dallas. Insane highways/beltway
4. Chicago. Very aggressive, spread out
5. NYC outer boroughs. Manhattan easy
6. San Francisco. Huge parking issues, street layout
7. Miami. Streets constantly change names, downtown.
8. (Tie) Seattle, Houston. Not bad.
9. Minneapolis . Better, some weirdness near MS river
10. Portland, OR. Easy. Gridded and directional.
1. BOSTON! Yeesh. What a mess.
2. Wash DC. Roundabouts, one-ways, closed streets
3. Dallas. Insane highways/beltway
4. Chicago. Very aggressive, spread out
5. NYC outer boroughs. Manhattan easy
6. San Francisco. Huge parking issues, street layout
7. Miami. Streets constantly change names, downtown.
8. (Tie) Seattle, Houston. Not bad.
9. Minneapolis . Better, some weirdness near MS river
10. Portland, OR. Easy. Gridded and directional.
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June 30th, 2018 at 11:16:38 AM
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Quote: billryanFor example, just about everyone I've talked to has a bit of difficulty finding Mr. Wizards abode.
Wiz has so many forum members over
to his house they complain about not
being able to find it? Really?
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June 30th, 2018 at 11:19:37 AM
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California has horrible drivers, it's like most of them are illegals and fear the cops so they pull over like 80% of the time or something
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June 30th, 2018 at 11:42:18 AM
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Quote: djatcCalifornia has horrible drivers, it's like most of them are illegals and fear the cops so they pull over like 80% of the time or something
There's a daily traffic show in San Francisco
and there are hundreds of it's videos on
youtube. Amazing number of people pulled
over have no license, let alone insurance.
Some have been busted multiple times and
they just keep driving.
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June 30th, 2018 at 12:21:56 PM
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Las Vegas is a pretty simple town to get around. It is very spread out. The strangest thing is roads changing names or dead ending and picking back up across some barrier. Some examples:
Blue Diamond Rd becomes E Windmill Ln (east of 15) when heading east.
S. Maryland Pkwy becomes Paradise Rd which dead ends into Sunset at the airport, but then goes through the airport tunnel to continue north. Maryland Pkwy also exists north of the airport with a dead end at E. Russell Rd. (when heading south).
St Rose Pkwy becomes E Pecos Rd when heading north after the 215 intersection. I could go on, but won't.
Southeast Florida (Dade/Broward county) is not an easy area to get around. The tolls roads are everywhere and basically unavoidable adding to already confusing driving.
Blue Diamond Rd becomes E Windmill Ln (east of 15) when heading east.
S. Maryland Pkwy becomes Paradise Rd which dead ends into Sunset at the airport, but then goes through the airport tunnel to continue north. Maryland Pkwy also exists north of the airport with a dead end at E. Russell Rd. (when heading south).
St Rose Pkwy becomes E Pecos Rd when heading north after the 215 intersection. I could go on, but won't.
Southeast Florida (Dade/Broward county) is not an easy area to get around. The tolls roads are everywhere and basically unavoidable adding to already confusing driving.
June 30th, 2018 at 12:47:19 PM
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Quote: EvenBobWiz has so many forum members over
to his house they complain about not
being able to find it? Really?
Only the Kool Kids and Illuminati.
It's not a matter of complaining, more comparing where they went wrong. It's a good icebreaker.
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