AZDuffman
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July 12th, 2012 at 11:13:57 AM permalink
I have been looking how to do it for a few years now and may finally have found the method to get my "freedom papers" and escape the world of corporate serfdom. Both the method of leaving-finding a second source of steady work, and the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back-being told we are supposed to limit ourselves to leaving our desks off-break to use the bathroom no more than twice a month--happened within days of each other. So I have set in motion the process to work as both an abstractor and signing agent, adding in side work here or there as I work on other plans. I will do it on-the-side for 1-2 months while they show they will pay me, then after they do and I have a tennant in my rental unit I should jump in completley.

So here is my question--who else out there made this jump and any advice on some things to prepare for? I know I will need to get medical and disability insurance, which I have a line on already. An LLC is a maybe, but will probably do in a few months to a year. Anything else to think about and do?
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EvenBob
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July 12th, 2012 at 11:33:43 AM permalink
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to work as both an abstractor and signing agent,



What kind of work is this? Is it legal in
all 50 states?
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July 12th, 2012 at 12:33:52 PM permalink
title abstractor: summarizes documents at county land office to determine current titles to realty and the presence of any convenants running with the land.
I have no idea who but a title company would hire one. Do they work independently?
Will imaging systems put them out of work?
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July 12th, 2012 at 1:03:22 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I have been looking how to do it for a few years now and may finally have found the method to get my "freedom papers" and escape the world of corporate serfdom. Both the method of leaving-finding a second source of steady work, and the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back-being told we are supposed to limit ourselves to leaving our desks off-break to use the bathroom no more than twice a month--happened within days of each other. So I have set in motion the process to work as both an abstractor and signing agent, adding in side work here or there as I work on other plans. I will do it on-the-side for 1-2 months while they show they will pay me, then after they do and I have a tennant in my rental unit I should jump in completley.

So here is my question--who else out there made this jump and any advice on some things to prepare for? I know I will need to get medical and disability insurance, which I have a line on already. An LLC is a maybe, but will probably do in a few months to a year. Anything else to think about and do?



Use the bathroom no more than twice a month? Seems a bit harsh...
EvenBob
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July 12th, 2012 at 1:03:36 PM permalink
When my dad bought the house in 1960, it was almost
a hundred years old. A property abstract came with
the sale that was a thick file that listed every transaction
on that property since it was first sold. I never got
anything like that on any property I ever bought, when
did they stop doing it?
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July 12th, 2012 at 2:54:52 PM permalink
Has no one yet shown the good sense to walk into the boss's office and piss on his desk ??
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July 12th, 2012 at 3:07:48 PM permalink
I would consider pooping my pants at my desk after I used my 2 restroom breaks. Then I would consider a lawsuit. Hearing how people are treated by employers really ticks me off.
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July 12th, 2012 at 10:21:12 PM permalink
Quote:


title abstractor: summarizes documents at county land office to determine current titles to realty and the presence of any convenants running with the land.
I have no idea who but a title company would hire one. Do they work independently?
Will imaging systems put them out of work?



Most work as some kind of independent. Luckily I got my training by a place that needed over 100 and needed them all working the same way. In most cases you work for either a title company as you suggested or a vendor service since most title cos need one here and one there so they just call the service who dumps several to the abstractor. Will imaging put them out of work? Not totally as some courthouses are not all online and it will probably always take a human to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Bigger threat is abstracting-farms here or offshore pulling docs, paying entry-level people to do crap work. Some clients do not care.


Quote: EvenBob

When my dad bought the house in 1960, it was almost
a hundred years old. A property abstract came with
the sale that was a thick file that listed every transaction
on that property since it was first sold. I never got
anything like that on any property I ever bought, when
did they stop doing it?



What you get depends on a few things. One is what kind of order they place and another is laws in your state as to when mortgages expire. Every doc you get has a cost of course, most times when you buy they only go back 50-70 years. For oil and gas work they go back to when they first found minerals in the state and then a little, here in PA that means 1859ish.

A side note on the list of docs, sorry if I told this story here before. In OH coworkers and I had dinner, and leaving I saw all the deeds from the building on the wall, about 8 of them. As I was looking at deeds and leases all day I keyed in on it without even trying. Our waiter said, "I challenge you to even read the oldest ones in handwriting." I should have bet him the dinner price, but I just told him that me and the two I was with could easily do it as we did it for a living. It was a neat display for an old building.
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July 12th, 2012 at 10:24:46 PM permalink
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Use the bathroom no more than twice a month? Seems a bit harsh...



You have the luxury of not seeing what I see. But yes, they said that. I told an aunt/uncle relatives I have and she was amazed as you are here, he got a sly look of been there done that. I knew by the look on his face before he told his story.........
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July 13th, 2012 at 12:48:05 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

I would consider pooping my pants at my desk after I used my 2 restroom breaks. Then I would consider a lawsuit. Hearing how people are treated by employers really ticks me off.



It's an era now where the bean-counters have taken over so many places. It gets weird and stupid.

Here's the general scenario: they look at the company and are shocked, stunned to see what what upper management is taking off the top. Completely unjustified compensation, golden parachutes, etc, etc. So from then on they tell the company "hey you better cut back on those guys at the bottom!" For example, "Sirs, do you realize how much the Duffmans of the world are costing you by taking bathroom breaks on the clock? That comes right off the bottom line!!"
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:35:42 PM permalink
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Iwe are supposed to limit ourselves to leaving our desks off-break to use the bathroom no more than twice a month



Doesn't sound that bad to me. If I tried leaving my work area while not on break twice a month to use the potty I'd be fired. What's the problem with taking care of your personal business on your time? If an idiot kid (me) can do it, I'm sure pretty much anyone can.

Just saying, life could be worse.
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:39:01 PM permalink
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Doesn't sound that bad to me. If I tried leaving my work area while not on break twice a month to use the potty I'd be fired. What's the problem with taking care of your personal business on your time? If an idiot kid (me) can do it, I'm sure pretty much anyone can.

Just saying, life could be worse.



Could you name the shithole company you work for, so i can try and avoid giving them any of my business ??
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:41:41 PM permalink
There's some jobs you'd prefer people didn't wander of to the toilet in the middle of. Air Traffic Control, Survelliance Officer.

There's other jobs where it'd probably get along better if people were allowed to treat people as sensible human beings until proven otherwise.
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July 17th, 2012 at 8:49:15 PM permalink
Air Traffic controls hand of their screens when nature calls. I don't want to be in a plane with that plane's controller having shit run down his legs. I guess Mitt Romney is not the only empty suit.
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July 17th, 2012 at 10:45:44 PM permalink
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Air Traffic controls hand of their screens when nature calls. I don't want to be in a plane with that plane's controller having shit run down his legs. I guess Mitt Romney is not the only empty suit.



Sure, all those jobs you can hand off if needed, or you can exercise toilet control and go regular. Syrup of figs or a high fibre diet can help.
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July 19th, 2012 at 10:48:59 AM permalink
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Could you name the shithole company you work for, so i can try and avoid giving them any of my business ??



Sorry, that's not gonna happen, but unless you plan to avoid casinos in the future you're going to be giving your business to some company that has the same view on potty breaks.
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July 19th, 2012 at 10:50:42 AM permalink
I have worked in a casino. Evidently not your shithole ones !
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July 19th, 2012 at 10:53:59 AM permalink
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I have worked in a casino. Evidently not your shithole ones !



Perhaps. Next time you go, flag down a floor supervisor and ask them what it would take for a dealer to get an "emergency" potty break, and how many of them they could take before facing disciplinary action.
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July 19th, 2012 at 10:58:21 AM permalink
I have friends who work in the pits. If they thought it necessary, they would step in and deal. Not that they would encourage it if they thought somebody was abusing the privilege, but not all bosses are assholes>
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July 19th, 2012 at 11:13:01 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I have friends who work in the pits. If they thought it necessary, they would step in and deal. Not that they would encourage it if they thought somebody was abusing the privilege, but not all bosses are assholes>



Where I work I believe it says in the IC that they can't deal, I guess they could babysit the tray, but even so, I'm pretty sure you couldn't take 2 unscheduled potty breaks a month without there being a serious problem. In the couple years I've been doing this I can only think of maybe a half dozen times a dealer has left the table and those were all medical situations and once when a player went ballistic and attacked.

I honestly wouldn't think of a boss as being an a**hole for writing someone up for excessive potty breaks, standing at the table for your push is part of the job.
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July 19th, 2012 at 11:24:13 AM permalink
I find this discussion interesting because I generally stay well-hydrated and have a relatively small bladder (all based on subjective comparison to my peers). So in my typical day I take a TON of trips to the restroom. Thankfully I have an occupation (software developer) where this doesn't matter; it's one of those jobs where we don't even really have hours: you have a salary and you have projects, get the projects done whenever you want and the boss doesn't care if you spend 4 hours a day in the restroom.

Imagining myself in a job with a more rigid work structure (e.g. casino dealer or tech support on the phone or something of the like), I think I would survive by curtailing my water intake. The normal break periods allowed to employees in these rigid-schedule jobs should be enough to relieve your bladder.
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July 19th, 2012 at 12:59:23 PM permalink
Maybe, just have a dizzy spell or feel like fainting. Then just hit the bathroom before you return to the table. It won't count against you if you're over your monthly limit.

If you really wanted to be fancy maybe you could have one of those super hot peppers wrapped in thin plastic between your lip and gum. Then bite into it.

This should cause your eyes to water, nose to run, and likely beads of sweat will run down your face. So, they'll really think you're sick, unless you accidently cough out the pepper on the floor.

(okay, I've overthinking this : )
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