FrGamble
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:56:04 AM permalink
Boymimbo, I think I see your point and it is a good one. Contraception is only part of a much larger battle. I also thought after reading your post and some of the other posts on this thread that if contraception went away tommorrow too many people would be unable to control their sexual desires even without their safety blanket. While I believe that the common use of contraception is what began and is what continues to fuel the disordered view of sex in the world, I guess we have to work backwards. Before tackling contraception we need to try to change people's minds and hearts. I also thought in reading your post that all this negativity towards contraception, which many people don't understand, could turn them off to the positive and healthy message of sex the Church has to offer. Thanks.
EvenBob
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March 7th, 2012 at 7:16:41 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

+1. I don't understand the term "sexual immorality". It's a non-sequitur, an oxymoron. What is immoral about sex?
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Sex is where we all come from, even FrG. How can it be
immoral. How can watching consenting adults have sex
be immoral. Please explain.
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boymimbo
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March 7th, 2012 at 7:25:09 AM permalink
Watching porn is immoral as you are demeaning the parties involved. The woman and the man are receiving payment for your pleasure, and that's what is immoral. Those are my words. Here is the Assembly of God's View.

Quote: Assembly of God


Why does the Assemblies of God stand so strongly against pornography

The Assemblies of God is strongly opposed to all forms of pornography so freely available today. The 1987 Statement on Pornography expresses distress and outrage at "the encroachment of pornographic materials and establishments in America." All around us we see the insidious consequence of pornography on social values, on moral behavior, and on family life.

We believe pornography violates the sexual and moral integrity of human beings. God created human beings as male and female to consummate their sexual union within the security of marriage for the purposes of procreation and mutual intimacy. Pornography encourages sexually immoral thoughts (Matthew 5:28) and actions (1 Corinthians 6:9; Galatians 5:19) and is thus destructive to marital and family relationships.

Though some defenders of pornography dispute the claim, there is no question about the fact pornography is linked with such immoral behavior as promiscuity, sexual abuse, adultery, rape, violence, child abuse, degrading human dignity, sexual dominance, and discrimination. The indirect but real devastation of families and marriages is a high price to pay for this vice which fills the pockets of unprincipled members of organized crime. Pornography is now available at local movie theaters, neighborhood video shops, and on home television and computer software. The Assemblies of God is particularly disturbed at the availability of this diabolical material to children and young people.
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We also express concern over the so-called sex therapists who advise married couples to view pornography in order to add excitement to their marriage relationship. We believe this activity to be wrong for Christian couples because it (1) reduces married love to the level of an animal act, (2) encourages lust rather than true love, and (3) portrays infidelity in a positive light.

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WongBo
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March 7th, 2012 at 7:27:42 AM permalink
google
porn = 1,830,000,000 hits

google
jesus christ = 129,000,000 hits

PORN is winning!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
EvenBob
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March 7th, 2012 at 7:28:14 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Watching porn is immoral as you are demeaning the parties involved. The woman and the man are receiving payment for your pleasure, and that's what is immoral.



If they agree to do it of their own free will,
how is that demeaning? By your definition,
actors in a play or a movie are immoral
because they're being paid to give us pleasure.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
buzzpaff
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March 7th, 2012 at 7:28:47 AM permalink
" The woman and the man are receiving payment for your pleasure, and that's what is immoral. Those are my words."

So if they aren't paid, it's OK. Really ??
s2dbaker
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March 7th, 2012 at 8:32:50 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Maybe its the vantage point I have, but I wish you would come on up here and see how scary ridiculous you look.

If I decided to see things from your ivory tower, what would scare me that I can't see from here?
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
reno
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March 7th, 2012 at 8:54:17 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

While I believe that the common use of contraception is what began and is what continues to fuel the disordered view of sex in the world, I guess we have to work backwards.



But condoms do prevent abortion right? The fewer abortions, the better. Right?

Once upon a time there was a lunatic dentist who hated hated hated cavities. But he also thought that toothbrushes and dental floss were evil. So he tried to persuade his patients to stop eating sugar. A few of his patients gave up the sugar, but most just didn't have the will power. Some of us can control our sugar cravings, and some of us can't, so let's use some simple technology to reduce the damage that these cravings cause our body.
Mosca
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:01:24 AM permalink
Control our sexual desire?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. To what degree is this control a big deal, and to what degree is this ability a function of morality?

Obviously, sex needs to be between consenting adults, people with the ability to form consent.

Obviously, where sex happens has to conform to socially accepted places; on the bus is the wrong place to fellate, or masturbate.

Beyond that, why would someone need to control desire? If my lady and I want to screw morning, noon, and night, why shouldn't we? What is morally wrong with that?
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WongBo
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:10:50 AM permalink
i would guess that most men who become priests have either:

abnormally low sex drives
abnormally low opportunity with the opposite sex
self dystonic homosexual desires

you can hardly expect them to have a normal view about human sexuality.
and you can hardly respect anything they have to say on the matter.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.

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