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September 11th, 2011 at 6:28:14 PM permalink
Here is the story. At Fallsview Casino, Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada this past weekend. I know better than to take pictures inside a casino without asking, but my buddy did not. He snapped a camera-phone picture. However, the picture did not come out, just a blur. Kind of like if you had a very basic camera and took a picture of someone or something moving very fast back in the day.

He swears he or his wife or someone else close tried to take a pic in the same casino before and got the same results. He swears the casino somehow causes this to happen with camera pics. He is a smart and successful guy but when it comes to casinos he falls into the kind of player who doesn't go much beyond slot play. Myself, I know the casinos do not want pictures but am not so sure they could interfere with a cell-phone pic if they wanted to. I'd say they would have to do somehting with the lighting in the casino to react with the flash on the phone. This would be very expensive to do all over the floor and for what? The text and voice worked fine on all of our phones, which were still of course banned at the tables. To take a pic a phone should not even have to be activated so I doubt it would be some kind of jamming.

I say it was chance. Am I wrong? Can casinos jam digital-pics?
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September 11th, 2011 at 6:33:43 PM permalink
No. And any such generalized zone of massive static would really screw up their own computers.
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September 11th, 2011 at 6:49:33 PM permalink
Just a fluke. I recently went to an expo of all the latest and greatest casino protection equipment, and while a lot of it was quite James Bond, jamming was not a part of it. There are some devices for camera detection and interception, but those are for video type cameras like what would be used to record a shuffle. And even with the danger of shuffle recording, I know of no jamming devices even concieved, let alone used.
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September 11th, 2011 at 6:50:42 PM permalink
Technically it's usually very dark inside any casinos so you need a fast ISO to get any picture or rest the phone/camera on something solid and hold it very steady. Typical values I've needed are f2.8 1/50 and ISO=1600, phones just can't do that!
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September 11th, 2011 at 6:55:43 PM permalink
My cellphone has several pictures of casino tables that I've taken from balconies.

If you're nervous about being caught it may be hard to keep the camera still.
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September 11th, 2011 at 7:02:53 PM permalink
Quote: 7outlineaway


If you're nervous about being caught it may be hard to keep the camera still.



4-5 beers can do the same thing.

Any new comments still very welcome, but this is helpful. For the record it was a dark area this happened at, and several beers in I do not think the camera was steady. A cell camera is not the best in the first place. At a lighter bar he took a pic that was fine, which I forgot. Thanks all. for comfirming what I thought so fast.
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September 11th, 2011 at 7:16:51 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I know better than to take pictures inside a casino without asking, but my buddy did not.



I've taken lots of pics in lots of casinos with a regular
digital camera. As long as its in the slots area, nobody
has ever said a thing. In the table game area, they
don't like it. I think its they don't want pics of the pit
or the dealers, but I'm just guessing.
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September 11th, 2011 at 7:28:12 PM permalink
Each casino is different. In general, pics are not encouraged. Some, like mine, won't let a digital camera on the floor. If they see it, they'll make you check it. If your seen taking a picture of ANYTHING on floor, they'll ask you to delete it. But I see a lot of slots wins posted, so I assume other casinos aren't as stringent.
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September 11th, 2011 at 7:32:48 PM permalink
The only restriction we really have is that we don't want people taking pictures that have other people in them, for privacy reasons. Other than that we really don't care. Well unless someone is taking photos of the ceilings and camera locations.
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September 11th, 2011 at 7:34:52 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Each casino is different. In general, pics are not encouraged.



I was trying to take a cell phone pic in the
Milwaukee Indian casino and was almost
tackled by a fat assed security guard. I stepped
aside just as he went flying by me. It was pretty
funny.
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September 11th, 2011 at 8:47:12 PM permalink
My wife and I met up with some old friends for a show at the Bellagio a few years ago. I had my SLR with me, and after the show I asked a stranger to snap a shot of the foursome standing in front of one of those giant slot machines. After we had the picture, this HUGE security guard came over and said we were not allowed to take photos in the casino.

I really liked the way he handled it. I think he had seen us and the camera in plenty of time to stop the shot, but he realized we were harmless and weren't getting either security stuff or other guests in the shot, so he let us get our souvenir before he mentioned the rule.

I concur with the earlier comments that the lighting in the casino probably required a long exposure time for the cell-phone camera (particularly if it didn't have a flash) and the operator likely just didn't hold the camera steady enough for long enough.
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September 11th, 2011 at 9:14:22 PM permalink
Not to poke fun at your friend, AZ, but I'm surprised at the level of silliness people take in regards to casino security. While it's true that security and the equipment involved is a multi-million dollar setup, it's very "normal". A few, nice, HD cameras in key locations is typical, and the rest is just a large quantity of very regular cameras positioned for effectiveness. Any soccer mom's home video setup is probably of better quality, it's simply the placement and the knowledge of the crews using it that creates the effectiveness.

It just makes me laugh sometimes what people think. My brother in law is a sharp guy, both in business and on the street. Trying to pull one over on him is near impossible. Yet when discussing my job, he believed we, as well as any other major casino, had bioware similar to "The Greco" featured in "Ocean's 12".
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September 12th, 2011 at 1:11:44 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I really liked the way he handled it. I think he had seen us and the camera in plenty of time to stop the shot, but he realized we were harmless and weren't getting either security stuff or other guests in the shot, so he let us get our souvenir before he mentioned the rule.

Other guards have come down fast and hard on people photographing the exterior main entrance sign from the sidewalk as well as a tripod mounted camera that was clearly aimed at the overhead cloud formation.

Some slot players have threatened to call security if they see another player "filming" a slot machine's jackpot spin.
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September 12th, 2011 at 7:10:45 AM permalink
Quote: Face

Any soccer mom's home video setup is probably of better quality, it's simply the placement and the knowledge of the crews using it that creates the effectiveness.



Do you suppose the belief in an all-seeing, all-powerful security helps with such effectiveness?

I think many players like to think the casinos have all kind of extraordinary awareness and/or powers, because that helps them explain away their losses. Ergo the belief in the Powers of Security (or si it Surveilance?), and the many myths and urban legends surrounding the casinos, aprticularly those in Vegas. You know, things like they pump additional oxygen in the gaming rooms, as if the free booze and, lately, distracting female dealers weren't plain enough to see.
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September 12th, 2011 at 8:38:44 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Other guards have come down fast and hard on people photographing the exterior main entrance sign from the sidewalk as well as a tripod mounted camera that was clearly aimed at the overhead cloud formation.

Some slot players have threatened to call security if they see another player "filming" a slot machine's jackpot spin.



Since the sidewalk is a public place, and the sign is in plain view to the public, Bellagio would have a hard time defending that one in court.
Rules on photography vary from casino to casino, but usually it's OK, just be respectful of other people's privacy. I once won a nice jackpot on a slot while waiting for my wife while she was in the restroom at the Golden Nugget, LV. When she came out, I asked her to take a picture, she said it was prohibited, I said it wasn't. There was a security guard nearby, I asked him, he said anywhere but the sports book. But at the Plaza, a dealer and pit boss both just about had strokes because I was carrying a camera, not even using it.
This applies to still photography, most if not all casinos ban video photography. Come to think of it, I wonder what they're doing now that most still digital cameras also have video capability.
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:11:11 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

My wife and I met up with some old friends for a show at the Bellagio a few years ago. I had my SLR with me, and after the show I asked a stranger to snap a shot of the foursome standing in front of one of those giant slot machines.



I've gotten great results of casino floors when using my big SLR, but I was also using a wide aperture lens (f/2.8) and high ISO. Most cell phones have crappy lenses with small apertures (f/8 etc.) and most casinos are dark. The cell phone camera tried to compensate for the low light with a long exposure. Long exposures will only remain sharp and in focus when used with a tripod. Without a tripod, (or a flash) expect blurry out-of-focus images.
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September 12th, 2011 at 10:17:14 AM permalink
Take your friend to the library and see whether his camera does not behave with the same poor results.

I've probably taken about a dozen photos of various Baccarat tables over the last few years, usually with my phone but sometimes with a digital camera. I've never had one not turn out; the worst has been a little blurry, but not bad. I've also seen others post photos surreptitiously grabbed with their cell phones of VP jackpots and unusual roulette history sequences.

Quote: EvenBob

I was trying to take a cell phone pic in the
Milwaukee Indian casino and was almost
tackled by a fat assed security guard. I stepped
aside just as he went flying by me. It was pretty
funny.



That is funny. I've never had any trouble, but, then, I've only ever tried to take pictures in high-limit and Baccarat rooms. There might be less stuff that they're concerned about being studied in there (just a guess), or it could just be another case of casinos letting high-limit players do crazy stuff, like the incident a month or so ago where one place got fined for letting an idiot dance on the Baccarat table.

EDIT: I'll add this as a bit of further evidence that phone cameras do, in fact, work in casinos:
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September 12th, 2011 at 11:50:59 AM permalink
Quote:

As long as its in the slots area, nobody
has ever said a thing.



I was in Sam's Town in Tunica last year with my friend. It was her first time at a casino and we were sitting next to each other playing slots. She hit $350 on a single spin and got all excited.

I said, "Get the cell phone! Take a picture of the screen to show everyone!"

Well, she had borrowed her sister's cell phone for the trip and didn't know how to get it to take a picture, so I grabbed it out of her hands and said, "Here, let me try." I was pressing buttons all over the place. I only have a throw-away cell that doesn't have a camera option so I wasn't sure how this one worked either, and all I kept getting was voicemail or the temperature, so we just laughed and gave up.

Not two minutes later a security guard came over to us and said, "Ladies, were you taking pictures? That's not allowed." We laughed and said, "We were trying to, but we couldn't figure out how." He gave us a smile and shook his head and walked away and we couldn't stop laughing and wondering how dumb he thought we must have been, not just for not knowing how to take a picture with a cell phone but for admitting it besides.
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September 12th, 2011 at 12:12:22 PM permalink
Quote: AlanRRT

Since the sidewalk is a public place, and the sign is in plain view to the public, Bellagio would have a hard time defending that one in court.

Well, this wasn't the Bellagio, but it sure shows how dumb some security guards can be. The sign at the main entrance? I mean... the Vice President for Public Relations would love to have that sign be photographed! It has the casino's name and logo and the word's "Main Entrance"... I guess the security thought he was protecting some state secrets!
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September 12th, 2011 at 3:27:21 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Not to poke fun at your friend, AZ, but I'm surprised at the level of silliness people take in regards to casino security. While it's true that security and the equipment involved is a multi-million dollar setup, it's very "normal". A few, nice, HD cameras in key locations is typical, and the rest is just a large quantity of very regular cameras positioned for effectiveness. Any soccer mom's home video setup is probably of better quality, it's simply the placement and the knowledge of the crews using it that creates the effectiveness.

It just makes me laugh sometimes what people think. My brother in law is a sharp guy, both in business and on the street. Trying to pull one over on him is near impossible. Yet when discussing my job, he believed we, as well as any other major casino, had bioware similar to "The Greco" featured in "Ocean's 12".



Poke all the fun you like, it was my buuddy who thought it. And he is the kind who doesn't care about 6:5 BJ. I doubted it was "something in the casino" at the time. Another day to think about it I attribute it to lighting (blame that on casino if you want to stretch) and unsteady camera holding after several beers. But as I said I had to ask if just to get other ideas as to why.

BTW: my hat off to the bar and security staff at that casino. I broke a glass and sliced my finger, BAD. No stitches needed but I was bleeding all over. First Aid came fast and they were totally cool. And a free beer to replace the one I broke.
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September 12th, 2011 at 4:45:07 PM permalink
Some things, I'm sure they jump on you right away. But for a lot of things, different day, different security guard, different response.

The only consistent thing is that more minor infractions are enforced sporadically.

I've seen so many inside casino pictures, I'd doubt for the most part anything would be used. But if you want dark, try one of the finer casino restaurants. I think it's usually darker there than anywhere else.
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September 12th, 2011 at 5:47:56 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Some things, I'm sure they jump on you right away. But for a lot of things, different day, different security guard, different response.



IIRC Wiz was hassled for taking pics of the outside of a few casinos.

I have seen retail stores tell people "no pictures allowed."

Lots of places prohibit cameras. Want to know the strangest place I was ever told "no pictures?" KODAK!
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September 13th, 2011 at 9:46:21 AM permalink
On a trip I made a few years ago, I had told my girlfriend (who didn't go with me) that if I won $400, I would buy myself one of the slick new (at the time) smart phones. Get to the casino, sat down at three card poker, second hand, get the ace-high straight flush, for a win of a little over $400.

I wanted to take a picture of the chips on the table, to send to her to show her I had won the money almost right away (thus proving that fate wanted me to buy a smart phone). Neither the dealer nor the pit boss would allow me to do so. I found this amazing considering that the photo would be only of the chips on the table, no people and no cards. To me, this was the most innocuous of things to photograph, yet I was still rebuffed.
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September 16th, 2011 at 5:14:58 AM permalink
The Dealertainers at Imperial Palace will pose if they notice a camera pointed their way.

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Depending on the situation, I'll ask before taking a picture. I'm usually turned down. Occasionally, it would be allowed.

If I take a picture without asking, I've never been approached - except for the one time I forgot to turn the flash off. That time, at the Sands PA, the floorman gave me the "no-no" finger wave, but nothing else.

I got home from a 5 night cruise yesterday. (I'll post a full report in a couple days, once the room stops rocking.) I asked a pit boss if it's OK to take pictures in the casino. He said I could take any stills I wanted, but video was prohibited. He even said it's mentioned on their website. I checked. Sure enough, it's there.
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June 25th, 2013 at 6:58:39 PM permalink
Most casinos in Las Vegas allow photos. Be discreet. They will say "no" if you ask so just do it quietly. In Ontario Canada photos are forbidden. You will be hassled for sure. Much stricter north of the border.
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June 25th, 2013 at 7:17:38 PM permalink
Quote: DiceSteve44

Most casinos in Las Vegas allow photos. Be discreet. They will say "no" if you ask so just do it quietly. In Ontario Canada photos are forbidden. You will be hassled for sure. Much stricter north of the border.


If they truly "allow" photos, then why would one need to "be discreet"?
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June 25th, 2013 at 7:17:45 PM permalink
I have had differing reactions at different casinos.

At Rincon I have had no problem taking photos at a video poker machine with a jackpot, and in fact, casino personnel will gladly take your picture for you either personally or to put on their Facebook account or on the wall of winners or even in their mailers. One of my VP progressives made their monthly mailer back cover, and I had another royal put on their Facebook page.

But at Rincon, when I took a photo of the craps layout (no players, just the layout) because my throw just hit five numbers on the fire bet (no skill here guys, it's card craps) they were all over me for taking a photo of the layout.

At Caesars I've taken lots of photos at VP machines without a problem and again, they'll even take out their camera and get a photo for you. And when I threw five numbers for the fire bet at Caesars they let me take a picture of the layout and they even moved aside some chips so the name "Caesars" showed up in the photo.

I know that at Caesars they will let you take photos when you're away from the pit and have the tables in the background and you're taking photos of someone you know.

When we were married at the craps table, Caesars had a still photographer and a videographer there but they were careful to shoot our party at the table only and avoid others.

In the USA the rule about taking photos that news companies go by is this: you can take photos on private property until someone says "stop." So the question becomes how far do YOU want to push it? How important is that photo?

Another rule in the news business is this: when it's "news" the rules don't matter -- take the damn photo. So if you are at the casino and there is a dispute about your bet or your money on the table -- take the damn photo -- and worry about it later.
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June 25th, 2013 at 8:08:40 PM permalink
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June 30th, 2013 at 8:45:05 AM permalink
There's a downtown casino (The Four Queens, if I recall correctly) that posts signage explicitly allowing photos inside the casino.
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June 30th, 2013 at 9:08:34 AM permalink
I took this photo at Revel a couple weeks ago, in front of the manager and slot attendant.



After I took it, I asked about "no pictures", and she said that they tried to enforce it but everyone has a camera phone and it became too much of a hassle to do so.

When I hit a big slot win at Mohegan a few years ago, they wouldn't let me shoot it with my phone, but the took a photo with their camera and sent it to me in the mail.
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June 30th, 2013 at 9:22:30 AM permalink
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Probably not the first time you all have seen this, but it's the first I have. Very funny, thanks!
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June 30th, 2013 at 9:29:42 AM permalink
Silly on all sides. One security guard came up screaming at an old guy with a camera mounted on a tripod in the parking garage... harmless old guy who photographs mainly clouds. One look at the camera and they could see it was pointed skyward. A simple no photographs from here because of the office windows and hotel windows would have been fine.

Alot goes on in casinos that I seem to miss. Like that young woman in the Silverton craps table, kneeling down in a very revealing dress (or night gown, not sure which) shooting dice from just behind the pass line while everyone around is cheering her on and the chips are all neatly stacked all over the place with the box just enjoying the view and no body trying to get her back onto the casino floor. The Silverton photographer snapped that photo, but I somehow missed it. I'm sure it happened however, the Silverton wouldn't lie about such things.

Heck, the Aria and the M have great surveillance capabilities, great color cameras, great zoom pan tilt stuff, great coverage of every square inch from every angle ... and the same old lowly paid and highly bored personnel watching things for not much above the minimum wage.

Only the Montecito seems to have photo systems with voice capability and the ability to match a face with a person from some unknown database three continents distant.
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June 30th, 2013 at 1:01:14 PM permalink
I took this picture right in front of the dealer and pit boss.

Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
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June 30th, 2013 at 1:02:27 PM permalink
Is that a royal flush?
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June 30th, 2013 at 3:36:16 PM permalink
Dealer was watching his chip tray... Pit was making sure your camera was focused solely on the layout.
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June 30th, 2013 at 3:38:29 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Dealer was watching his chip tray... Pit was making sure your camera was focused solely on the layout.



Or...

It looked like you were sending a text message, which is discouraged at the table (as in the game should stop when the phone comes out) but won't get you thrown out or anything.
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June 30th, 2013 at 5:25:58 PM permalink
I asked permission then the dealer turned around and asked the pit boss if it was okay for me to take a picture and then the pit boss looked at my hand, congratulated me and then turned his back.
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June 30th, 2013 at 7:36:34 PM permalink
Has anyone ever seen NJ regulations which claim photography/videotaping is against the law inside the casino? A major article claimed it was not too long ago, but I have never heard of anything like this before.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/06/technology-google-glass-ban-casinos.html

"Photography already regulated

The prohibition against photography or video filming in the casinos is not unique to Google Glass. New Jersey regulators require five days' advance notice — and explicit approval from the gaming enforcement division — for any type of photos or videos to be shot on the casino floor, and Las Vegas has similar restrictions. But as a new technology, the glasses are catching the attention of regulators, who are updating their rules to keep pace."
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June 30th, 2013 at 7:51:04 PM permalink
In the world of slot videos, a few people have been able to collect a few hundred dollars a month in YT revenue from ads, so people do it to help with the habit. One guy known on a slot forum for years has recently posted about having his camera yanked from his hands(assumed MI NA casino somewhere) and confiscated until he left.
http://slotfanatics.com/showthread.php?5463-Ponzzz-Y-U-NO-UPLOAD-NEW-VIDEOS!!
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June 30th, 2013 at 9:11:29 PM permalink
SaahhhhWWWWWEEEEET! nice one, s2d!

We have the other kind of UTH, so I don't know what you got paid for that. May I ask?
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June 30th, 2013 at 11:54:05 PM permalink
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...then the dealer turned around and asked the pit boss...



The dealer turned around?
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